M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[ghug]

I don’t normally think killing lurkers is a good strategy, but this game is so large, and the pace is fast, so I think it could be advantageous to town to sort out lurkers. If we wait too long, they will become problematic in the number game.

##VOTE Ezio

Love the Diplomacy commentary, yooj fan. Let’s see some words here!

Also Ezio has historical precedent of lurking more as scum.

##VOTE Ezio

[Fluminator]

That's actually town points for Vecna not realizing Kak was one of the highest profile players this game. I think if he was mafia he'd objectively recognize that lol.

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

Kak being town isn't a surprise to me, and I'm not having a hard time reading the kill.
Kak was very upset with me over a bad plan at the beginning of the game that kak and Fluminator created. Kak was demanding it was entirely Fluminator, while I thought kak had extrapolated Flum's bad idea to a terrible one. Kak and I also disagreed on a few other things (including but not limited to Flum's alignment). Kak was variously either scumreading me or suggesting I was playing terrible town. I, on the other hand, though Kak was town and was just tunnelling Flum and me.
The mafia might be hoping that we miskill one of Kak's scumreads today (or they might be hoping we think as much, and there we get WIFOM). I suspect this indicates most if not all of kak's scumreads are town (reading a town's scumreads as town may seem counterintuitive, but I'm solving from my perspective, not yours. This makes a lot of sense once you consider me and kak's history and accept that I'm town). I will, however, look into Kak's scumreads. Some of them might be right.
For now, I still scumread sweet. ##VOTE SWEET

[ghug]

Ezio voted Ham

Has anyone told you that Ham was town?

Rip Kak but it's probably good for town that you're dead.

Why is that a good thing?

I'm making fun of his "Dip is either scum or so detrimental to town that we should kill him" logic.

[Squigs44]

Can you elaborate on this?

Dip is Town. Kak had a hate boner for voting him.

Maybe I’m rusty, but doesn’t MK mean mafia kill? Is that the term they use in mafia chat? Certainly this couldn’t be a fake town slip and a scum slip in 45 minutes?

MK is miskill here I think, as in leading a wagon on town
NK or night kill is used for the scum kill

[Balki Bartokomous]

##vote Foxcastle

My thinking:

I find Foxcastle to be on the edges of the game, not pushing with much verve, and not going after the sorts of targets who will respond with volume. Here are his Day 1 votes with their reasons:

##VOTE DemonRHK. Lurking is shirking.

It's time to start consolidating wagons.

##vote lfischl

I don’t think it’s damo.

##vote ham

These are all the sorts of votes that fit into the blindspots of the game. I don't see much confusion, suspicion, or effort. And lots of commenting around the game and not about alignments.

I see a low-impact, houseplant sort of a game so far, and I think that is scum-indicative for Foxcastle.

Caveats: I have read less than half of the game (though I did do a Foxy ISO, and I have not played with Foxcastle in maybe years.

[ghug]

Dip is Town. Kak had a hate boner for voting him.

Maybe I’m rusty, but doesn’t MK mean mafia kill? Is that the term they use in mafia chat? Certainly this couldn’t be a fake town slip and a scum slip in 45 minutes?

MK is miskill here I think, as in leading a wagon on town
NK or night kill is used for the scum kill

I think yoyo has barely played since we stopped using the other word for daykills.

[Squigs44]

##vote Foxcastle

My thinking:

I find Foxcastle to be on the edges of the game, not pushing with much verve, and not going after the sorts of targets who will respond with volume. Here are his Day 1 votes with their reasons:

##VOTE DemonRHK. Lurking is shirking.

It's time to start consolidating wagons.

##vote lfischl

I don’t think it’s damo.

##vote ham

These are all the sorts of votes that fit into the blindspots of the game. I don't see much confusion, suspicion, or effort. And lots of commenting around the game and not about alignments.

I see a low-impact, houseplant sort of a game so far, and I think that is scum-indicative for Foxcastle.

Caveats: I have read less than half of the game (though I did do a Foxy ISO, and I have not played with Foxcastle in maybe years.

I don't mind this, I just don't relish the idea of driving a mis kill on a voice of reason and good solver. I either need more than this gut feeling I have, or get a bit further in when he normally solves to actually see him at work

[Yoyoyozo]

Dip is Town. Kak had a hate boner for voting him.

Maybe I’m rusty, but doesn’t MK mean mafia kill? Is that the term they use in mafia chat? Certainly this couldn’t be a fake town slip and a scum slip in 45 minutes?

MK is miskill here I think, as in leading a wagon on town
NK or night kill is used for the scum kill

Oh that makes sense. ##VOTE Ezio

[ghug]

I was not expecting an Ezio wagon to actually go anywhere...

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

I was not expecting an Ezio wagon to actually go anywhere...

Same. Ezio is a null to me in the sense that they haven't done anything of note and I kind of forgot they are in the game. I suppose thats lurking and should be a mild scumread. In that case I mildly scumread Ezio.

[FlaviusAetius]

I suppose this needs a deep analysis. Could be them slimming Kar to frame dip and get us to miss again?

Kak posted this at the end, the Mafia had zero chance in order to actually react to whatever information Kak was able to put down here. I still agree with sweet, I think Kak is tunneling here...but maybe he tunneled correctly?

I think at least one person who skated/barely talked D1 was a strategy out of a mafia. This game has unique posting requirements and they should all be put into a box for later. Its not necessary for us to sus them right now, but thats where we should look for the 3rd or 4th mafia.

I also think Kak's team makes sense if D&W is mafia, but I just dont know if I can pull the trigger, he brought up a lot of good arguments that only make sense if D&W is mafia for Flum. Can anyone else verify what Kak says about Ghug? If we can then he should be the first domino to fall, because theres other evidence around this supposed team that leads him to be a mafia. If he falls then the Flum & D&W mafia team now makes sense.

I think he's completely missed the mark on Jamie, Im sure he just didnt see the whole kotp thing and plus kotp went AFK pretty early on, sure what kotp did was sus, but clearly kotp was busy with other stuff whatever we can get out of kotp is zero I think, I think he's in the box of the one mafia who chose to not talk as a strategy, in D1, but I dont think we should be worrying about that person rn.

Ghug is my vote IF someone can verify what Kak said, let me catch up and see if someone already has.

Maybe verify it yourself with critical thinking?

Scum ghug likes to be townread
He joked about how he has to be town once
Also he said another thing that gets negative attention

That's not a compelling argument.

The D&W TMI thing I'd maybe buy as a neutral third party but it is also easily explained as D&W being eager and weird.

I think you are the one who said this to me "unfortunately you are the person I will pay attention the least to this question"

[FlaviusAetius]

##vote lfischl

I'm a bit disappointed that this wagon died yesterday and Kak was on that wagon for a while

Going after the lurkers is not smart today, its a shot in the dark, I understand putting pressure on them but we can do that without voting them, we might get a kotp situation; where a sub is incoming for them anyways

Enlighten me

@fishcl speak to us about the game stop being AFK
@ezio speak to us about the game stop being AFK
@Colby I like what you have spoken so far, but I need more conversation
@themadmonarch speak to us about the game stop being AFK
@worcej speak to us about the game stop being AFK

[Balki Bartokomous]

My brain is having a hard time wrapping my head around the decision to just ignore the flip and place a vote without reading any recent posts

I am going through this same progression and having a similarly hard time believing it.

I was (and almost always am) very eager to see the result of the night actions, especially the NK. It is hard for me to understand not having that same level of curiosity such that you would just post and vote without reading it.

@Sweet, if you have more to explain about this, please do that. It doesn't seem to square with a Town point of view.

[FlaviusAetius]

Also a bit offended I wasn't fear killed. Just gonna assume mafia saw some crumbs in Kaks posts. Either that or scum!Vecna told his team to leave me alive so he could continue to buddy me. Man I miss feeling paranoid like this

yeah, im already thinking about which of the followibg three is ghe most likely;
1: mafis killed kak because he was on point too much
2: mafia killed him as a distraction to lock in reads thstllblead us astray
3; mafia needed a distraction/reason why high profile person x isnt gonna be dead for a while
4; any mix of the above, with the feelibg that noone was really suspicious of kak?

5. PR reads

Once every couple games everyone gets really worked up over the N1 kill.

Kak wasn't a PR, he's a mediocre solver at best, and he's difficult to solve himself. Let's just take the W.

??? Kak was moving the game forward stop dancing on his grave and start defending yourself, I know I said I would wait for someone to explain if Kak was right about your tendencies but you need some pressure
##vote ghug

[Balki Bartokomous]

I think Squigs is Town, by the way. He is my first town read!

[FlaviusAetius]

##vote Foxcastle

My thinking:

I find Foxcastle to be on the edges of the game, not pushing with much verve, and not going after the sorts of targets who will respond with volume. Here are his Day 1 votes with their reasons:

##VOTE DemonRHK. Lurking is shirking.

It's time to start consolidating wagons.

##vote lfischl

I don’t think it’s damo.

##vote ham

These are all the sorts of votes that fit into the blindspots of the game. I don't see much confusion, suspicion, or effort. And lots of commenting around the game and not about alignments.

I see a low-impact, houseplant sort of a game so far, and I think that is scum-indicative for Foxcastle.

Caveats: I have read less than half of the game (though I did do a Foxy ISO, and I have not played with Foxcastle in maybe years.

I think im voting for fischl is the weirdest thing possible

[FlaviusAetius]

him voting fischl*
Especially for that reason

[Col7by]

Going after the lurkers is not smart today, its a shot in the dark, I understand putting pressure on them but we can do that without voting them, we might get a kotp situation; where a sub is incoming for them anyways

Enlighten me

@fishcl speak to us about the game stop being AFK
@ezio speak to us about the game stop being AFK
@Colby I like what you have spoken so far, but I need more conversation
@themadmonarch speak to us about the game stop being AFK
@worcej speak to us about the game stop being AFK

I can try more I’ve just been trying to find my spots because I only feel strongly about Fisch right now and slightly will. Dip I was but I feel more confident in it being a facade with the kak kill. Are there thoughts you are specifically looking for or more engagement in general?

[Col7by]

I think Squigs is Town, by the way. He is my first town read!

I agree with that unless fisch is town then squigs is my top scum read