M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[FlaviusAetius]

I find it strange you presumably read my conclusion Dip is Town and yet you seem to haven't even bothered to consider it. You acknowledge that Dip could be "bad Town", but seem convinced we should kill "bad Town" rather than Mafia.

yes, I consider the skill as town too for my votes. If I'm unsure of their alignment, that might become the deciding factor.

In d&w's case, I see it as a win win, either we get mafia, or get vote out a bad town. Not much lost there. And I think the chance he is mafia is rather high.

If I don't vote for anyone that 'could be town', then most of the time I would have to vote no-kill. And that is just not good enough, if we played that way, mafia would just nk off all town, and we would gain much less information. So yes, I'm very ok with a candidate that could be town but plays badly and has decent chances to be mafia.

Decent chances being 51%? I expect better of you than to willfully tunnel.

1. Dip is very different this game (and he has always been scum*)
2. Dip is clearly trying to solve.
3. Dip is solving poorly.
4. Dip was like a dog with a bone over the Kak-tadpole thing.

And so on.

Nobody is going to take Dip seriously, so he is not "dangerous" to Town. He just has no idea how to solve.

I know you are annoyed with him, but seriously you are better than putting the blinders on just because you want a particular player out of the game.

Gonna have to agree with sweet here, the most Kak explains his reasonings to vote out Dip, the more I end up disagreeing with him. You aren't putting up an actual case against Dip and more going off of vibes, we have a whole days' worth of evidence to go off of, and Dip was fairly active; your case against him is lacking and I dont like it

[FlaviusAetius]

If you don't want to talk about it, why do you keep saying that most people would accept it? I don't think this is accurate, but presenting it as fact is likely to push someone on the fence towards the other side, which is bad for town.

Clearly you want to play scum, which is concerning, but you don't speak for everyone, and pushing your opinion here is a bad move.

No Im saying if someone is PR they are someone who guranteed wouldnt accept tadpole, and that means we have found a roundabout way to find out who is PR and who is not, which is WHY we should not be asking the question.

For someone who wants us to stop talking about the Tadpole, you sure are discussing it the most.

Fine my thoughts on it are well known at this point I wont discuss it further, I jsut wish others would agree

[damo666]

Given that day 1 was TvT I suspect most scum sat back and let town kill town while they were off lead wagons. I therefore suggest that tomorrow we concentrate on that group of 11 although I townread Kak so that reduces it to 10. Hopefully it gets furthe reduced overnight.

PS Best wishes to our 2 subbed outs.

Some of those not on the lead wagons were AFK, and the lead wagons at the time were much less clear, so I dont think the group of 11 is actually the group of 11.
aarodactyl & will were both early voters of me but then didnt get back for when things changed. Same with lfishcl for Flum. I read Colby as town I liked his analysis and his reponses to my questioning of him. I also read Kak as a town, and HB is dead so he isnt apart of the group of 11 either.

So... that leaves king ofpirates who was AFK this entire time basically so he doesnt count either and not sure what to think of Balki yet, so put him to the side I suppose..

LEAVING;
TheMadMonarch(who??), ghug & Bona

I don't think afk is a reason to rule out so 10 - Kak&Col7by (temp noob pass) = 8.

I will be voting* from the survivors of {Will aaro demon Balki TMM ghug Bona lfischl}.

* Assuming I'm not NK'd (highly unlikely the way I'm being scumread by a few) or otherwise vig'd/despatched (quite possible)

I shall ponder the order of the 8

[damo666]

Given that day 1 was TvT I suspect most scum sat back and let town kill town while they were off lead wagons. I therefore suggest that tomorrow we concentrate on that group of 11 although I townread Kak so that reduces it to 10. Hopefully it gets furthe reduced overnight.

PS Best wishes to our 2 subbed outs.

Some of those not on the lead wagons were AFK, and the lead wagons at the time were much less clear, so I dont think the group of 11 is actually the group of 11.
aarodactyl & will were both early voters of me but then didnt get back for when things changed. Same with lfishcl for Flum. I read Colby as town I liked his analysis and his reponses to my questioning of him. I also read Kak as a town, and HB is dead so he isnt apart of the group of 11 either.

So... that leaves king ofpirates who was AFK this entire time basically so he doesnt count either and not sure what to think of Balki yet, so put him to the side I suppose..

LEAVING;
TheMadMonarch(who??), ghug & Bona

I don't think afk is a reason to rule out so 10 - Kak&Col7by (temp noob pass) = 8.

I will be voting* from the survivors of {Will aaro demon Balki TMM ghug Bona lfischl}.

* Assuming I'm not NK'd (highly unlikely the way I'm being scumread by a few) or otherwise vig'd/despatched (quite possible)

I shall ponder the order of the 8

order (from most likely to vote)

TheMadMonarch
demon
lfischl
Bona
Will
aaro
ghug
Balki

[Yoyoyozo]

If you don't want to talk about it, why do you keep saying that most people would accept it? I don't think this is accurate, but presenting it as fact is likely to push someone on the fence towards the other side, which is bad for town.

Clearly you want to play scum, which is concerning, but you don't speak for everyone, and pushing your opinion here is a bad move.

No Im saying if someone is PR they are someone who guranteed wouldnt accept tadpole, and that means we have found a roundabout way to find out who is PR and who is not, which is WHY we should not be asking the question.

For someone who wants us to stop talking about the Tadpole, you sure are discussing it the most.

Yapping is indeed happening.

[FlaviusAetius]

Considering there's hasn't been a single argument for me being scum yet outside "I might be lying about x", it makes me think this might be coordination to protect Brian

True that

Rip for a sec I thought Ham was still alive

Yea I was about to say...only if we went for Flum and not HB

[FlaviusAetius]

Fuck this shit im not reading 30 more pages

If you are going to read anything its EOD thats the most important

[FlaviusAetius]

Hello Will. I don't think I've looked at you yet, which means you probably haven't done anything interesting that caught my attention. Got any hot takes for me?

I always have plenty

King scum bunny scum

Dip locktown jamie super town

Flav scum Flum town

still have zero reason for doing this BTW, as squigs said a stray Flavius vote..., you made EOD super chaotic

[FlaviusAetius]

Some of those not on the lead wagons were AFK, and the lead wagons at the time were much less clear, so I dont think the group of 11 is actually the group of 11.
aarodactyl & will were both early voters of me but then didnt get back for when things changed. Same with lfishcl for Flum. I read Colby as town I liked his analysis and his reponses to my questioning of him. I also read Kak as a town, and HB is dead so he isnt apart of the group of 11 either.

So... that leaves king ofpirates who was AFK this entire time basically so he doesnt count either and not sure what to think of Balki yet, so put him to the side I suppose..

LEAVING;
TheMadMonarch(who??), ghug & Bona

I don't think afk is a reason to rule out so 10 - Kak&Col7by (temp noob pass) = 8.

I will be voting* from the survivors of {Will aaro demon Balki TMM ghug Bona lfischl}.

* Assuming I'm not NK'd (highly unlikely the way I'm being scumread by a few) or otherwise vig'd/despatched (quite possible)

I shall ponder the order of the 8

order (from most likely to vote)

TheMadMonarch
demon
lfischl
Bona
Will
aaro
ghug
Balki

why demon so high up?

[damo666]

I don't think afk is a reason to rule out so 10 - Kak&Col7by (temp noob pass) = 8.

I will be voting* from the survivors of {Will aaro demon Balki TMM ghug Bona lfischl}.

* Assuming I'm not NK'd (highly unlikely the way I'm being scumread by a few) or otherwise vig'd/despatched (quite possible)

I shall ponder the order of the 8

order (from most likely to vote)

TheMadMonarch
demon
lfischl
Bona
Will
aaro
ghug
Balki

why demon so high up?

meta

playfulness is a scum indicator

[brainbomb]

1 hour remains in the night!

[DemonRHK]

SPOILERS!

...yea I know I am like a year behind.

[aarodactyl]

BRUH people keep bringing this up, there is zero chance zero chance whatsoever someone is putting a message in here and it was actually meant for mafia chat...WEBDIP AND DISCORD ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS!!!

I’m just sayin…It looks to me like Bona wants to lock in a night action on Flum. Meaning Scum!Bona, Town!Flum. Though, I agree it would be crazy if this were real. It just doesn’t really feel like an actual post from a game thread.

I get your point about the fact that making that mistake would be strange, but I think the post is enough of a fish out of water to justify a discussion and not just a “Bruh.”

OK, sure but I dont think it was meant for the mafia chat that's all I'm trying to get across. Im not saying we should ignore it tho, but Im not sure waht to make of it either "we need to lock in flum" Im not aware of Bona and Flum having some kind of prior relationship

Bona and flum have some kind of prior relationship.

[aarodactyl]

Everyone had to take a posistion during D1 by voting...those who didnt should be #1 suspects but there is probably one mafia in that, since there were so few, only 5 one vote wagons(besides kingofpirates)

i mean there was vast spew. i swear on every damn wagon there were like 3 people saying 'what's the case? what's the case? i haven't seen a case made!' over and over and over.

If you voted for someone without understanding the case behind them, then that might be one of the most anti-town things Ive ever heard

I find this ironic because I was one person that kept calling out that you didn’t sound even a little bit confident in your vote for flum and you kept saying you weren’t confident about it. I know you eventually switched after I had to go afk for a meeting but yeah, irony

[aarodactyl]

I'll just say the quiet part out loud. Mafia's best bet is to use the tadpole towards the end of the game so the weird stuff people are doing to try to draw the tadpole is a waste of time, and honestly I find it kind of distracting. :/

FACTS, conversations on the tadpole should end for a myriad of reasons this is just one other one.
1. Its a roundabout way to find who is a PR
2. Most people would accept it anyways
3. Its a waste of time and endless speculation

Tbh this reads like you’re sharing you’d accept it. Which is town-ish but also funny.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I’m just sayin…It looks to me like Bona wants to lock in a night action on Flum. Meaning Scum!Bona, Town!Flum. Though, I agree it would be crazy if this were real. It just doesn’t really feel like an actual post from a game thread.

I get your point about the fact that making that mistake would be strange, but I think the post is enough of a fish out of water to justify a discussion and not just a “Bruh.”

OK, sure but I dont think it was meant for the mafia chat that's all I'm trying to get across. Im not saying we should ignore it tho, but Im not sure waht to make of it either "we need to lock in flum" Im not aware of Bona and Flum having some kind of prior relationship

Bona and flum have some kind of prior relationship.

Would you explain why this matters to the discussion please?

[Balki Bartokomous]

@Bunny, why do you intentionally make it so painful to read your posts? It's super annoying!

[aarodactyl]

OK, sure but I dont think it was meant for the mafia chat that's all I'm trying to get across. Im not saying we should ignore it tho, but Im not sure waht to make of it either "we need to lock in flum" Im not aware of Bona and Flum having some kind of prior relationship

Bona and flum have some kind of prior relationship.

Would you explain why this matters to the discussion please?

Bona said something playful to flum about how they should lock in and find scum. Flavius has decided it means it means something that bona picked flum to say that to. I have a very good source that tells me that bona and flum have played mafia a bunch together and may or may not have spend long periods of time in the same discord server and it’s probably NAI for bona to say that.

[aarodactyl]

@Bunny, why do you intentionally make it so painful to read your posts? It's super annoying!

He drops it eventually

[aarodactyl]

Ok. That’s it for my late lunch break. Going to go finish up urgent work