M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[ghug]

Considering there's hasn't been a single argument for me being scum yet outside "I might be lying about x", it makes me think this might be coordination to protect Brian

True that

Rip for a sec I thought Ham was still alive

Lol

[Bonatogether]

Damo is obviously scum here.

Look at his posts if you need more information.

disagree

[Bonatogether]

i think there's so many posters that no one is managing to post anything coherent

i read everything and came out with no real reads. my interpretation is that scum were never forced into talking with someone they didn't want to and never got forced into taking a meaningful position there were so many jack-random wagons.

Everyone had to take a posistion during D1 by voting...those who didnt should be #1 suspects but there is probably one mafia in that, since there were so few, only 5 one vote wagons(besides kingofpirates)

i mean there was vast spew. i swear on every damn wagon there were like 3 people saying 'what's the case? what's the case? i haven't seen a case made!' over and over and over.

[ghug]

Why are we spending so much effort trying to divine Vecnas alignment based off a throw away joke?

Like, can we please stop over reacting to these 'scumslip' and 'townslip' posts? We aren't gonna solve the game on these meaningless posts. If someone actually scumslips, we'll let you know (we being the level headed people in the game)

Squiggles, I mostly agree with you, but there are legitimate townslips. Don't lump them all together.

I'm just having flashbacks to BunnyGos first scum game where they won because almost everyone wrote them off as town due to a "legitimate townslip". I reserve my right to skepticism, but I'll weigh a townslip as a factor in my reads should something large enough happen.

Some people's townslips should never be trusted, sure.

[sweetandcool]

Well, Vecna and I appear to be on the same page, at least.

which happens pretty much never when were both town, dear guggles.

Indeed

You two are hopeless

If only you would learn to work together, a new golden era of WebDip Mafia would emerge.

[FlaviusAetius]

Was this meant for Mafia chat?

BRUH people keep bringing this up, there is zero chance zero chance whatsoever someone is putting a message in here and it was actually meant for mafia chat...WEBDIP AND DISCORD ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS!!!

I’m just sayin…It looks to me like Bona wants to lock in a night action on Flum. Meaning Scum!Bona, Town!Flum. Though, I agree it would be crazy if this were real. It just doesn’t really feel like an actual post from a game thread.

I get your point about the fact that making that mistake would be strange, but I think the post is enough of a fish out of water to justify a discussion and not just a “Bruh.”

OK, sure but I dont think it was meant for the mafia chat that's all I'm trying to get across. Im not saying we should ignore it tho, but Im not sure waht to make of it either "we need to lock in flum" Im not aware of Bona and Flum having some kind of prior relationship

[FlaviusAetius]

i read everything and came out with no real reads. my interpretation is that scum were never forced into talking with someone they didn't want to and never got forced into taking a meaningful position there were so many jack-random wagons.

Everyone had to take a posistion during D1 by voting...those who didnt should be #1 suspects but there is probably one mafia in that, since there were so few, only 5 one vote wagons(besides kingofpirates)

i mean there was vast spew. i swear on every damn wagon there were like 3 people saying 'what's the case? what's the case? i haven't seen a case made!' over and over and over.

If you voted for someone without understanding the case behind them, then that might be one of the most anti-town things Ive ever heard

[FlaviusAetius]

I'll just say the quiet part out loud. Mafia's best bet is to use the tadpole towards the end of the game so the weird stuff people are doing to try to draw the tadpole is a waste of time, and honestly I find it kind of distracting. :/

FACTS, conversations on the tadpole should end for a myriad of reasons this is just one other one.
1. Its a roundabout way to find who is a PR
2. Most people would accept it anyways
3. Its a waste of time and endless speculation

[FlaviusAetius]

I haven’t read any posts or rules. I am unburdened by information. Will someone please tell me what I need to know?

I suggest to read the thread, I do think however you should join me tomorrow in voting out D&W. He is either mafia, or a town that is completely on the wrong track and presenting false narratives, refusing to look back and accept evidence he is wrong.

Other than that, there is a special thing about voting: you may end on no-kill or unvote, BUT you HAVE to have voted for one player that is/was alive during that day. Other than that, no posting limits, neither min nor max, so it would be totally enough if you only post a naked vote and then close the game.

Oh, and all phases are 24 hours, night and day. Plus mafia has a daychat. And a one time recruitment option, but we should not especially discuss that yet, I think.

I'll only vote Dip, if damo doesn't die during the night; that should be your policy too #damosgottago

[ghug]

I'll just say the quiet part out loud. Mafia's best bet is to use the tadpole towards the end of the game so the weird stuff people are doing to try to draw the tadpole is a waste of time, and honestly I find it kind of distracting. :/

FACTS, conversations on the tadpole should end for a myriad of reasons this is just one other one.
1. Its a roundabout way to find who is a PR
2. Most people would accept it anyways
3. Its a waste of time and endless speculation

If you don't want to talk about it, why do you keep saying that most people would accept it? I don't think this is accurate, but presenting it as fact is likely to push someone on the fence towards the other side, which is bad for town.

Clearly you want to play scum, which is concerning, but you don't speak for everyone, and pushing your opinion here is a bad move.

[DemonRHK]

Marry jamie
Fuck ghug
kill flum

[FlaviusAetius]

Given that day 1 was TvT I suspect most scum sat back and let town kill town while they were off lead wagons. I therefore suggest that tomorrow we concentrate on that group of 11 although I townread Kak so that reduces it to 10. Hopefully it gets furthe reduced overnight.

PS Best wishes to our 2 subbed outs.

Some of those not on the lead wagons were AFK, and the lead wagons at the time were much less clear, so I dont think the group of 11 is actually the group of 11.
aarodactyl & will were both early voters of me but then didnt get back for when things changed. Same with lfishcl for Flum. I read Colby as town I liked his analysis and his reponses to my questioning of him. I also read Kak as a town, and HB is dead so he isnt apart of the group of 11 either.

So... that leaves king ofpirates who was AFK this entire time basically so he doesnt count either and not sure what to think of Balki yet, so put him to the side I suppose..

LEAVING;
TheMadMonarch(who??), ghug & Bona

[FlaviusAetius]

I'll just say the quiet part out loud. Mafia's best bet is to use the tadpole towards the end of the game so the weird stuff people are doing to try to draw the tadpole is a waste of time, and honestly I find it kind of distracting. :/

FACTS, conversations on the tadpole should end for a myriad of reasons this is just one other one.
1. Its a roundabout way to find who is a PR
2. Most people would accept it anyways
3. Its a waste of time and endless speculation

If you don't want to talk about it, why do you keep saying that most people would accept it? I don't think this is accurate, but presenting it as fact is likely to push someone on the fence towards the other side, which is bad for town.

Clearly you want to play scum, which is concerning, but you don't speak for everyone, and pushing your opinion here is a bad move.

No Im saying if someone is PR they are someone who guranteed wouldnt accept tadpole, and that means we have found a roundabout way to find out who is PR and who is not, which is WHY we should not be asking the question.

[DemonRHK]

Save squigs
Scan D&W
Shoot Ezio
Transport Jamie and ghug
Hide behind yoyo
Equalize flav and balki
Neighbor visit kak
Roleblock Will
Bodyguard food

[FlaviusAetius]

I'll just say the quiet part out loud. Mafia's best bet is to use the tadpole towards the end of the game so the weird stuff people are doing to try to draw the tadpole is a waste of time, and honestly I find it kind of distracting. :/

I’m 89.6718% sure that Tadpole can only be used until N4

My point still stands. Mafia benefit the later they use it, so spending a week gimmicking about it serves only as a distraction to actually solving the game. Also good morning!

TRUE.

[FlaviusAetius]

So you think we have a world where two mafia subbing out, Vecna knowing this before, then guessing correctly for the second sub?

That is very unlikely. We could test that though by voting Balki tomorrow. He said before he would solve the game tonight, so he could leave us with this information, then we proceed to vote him out, confirming either he was lying or he is town, then go from there.

But as I said, very unlikely. I'd put my money on voting D&W out tomorrow

What's your take on D&W?

either mafia or hurtful town. I think removing him is not a mistake. He ignores evidence and spins it to fit his narrative, as previously shown, and it just makes so much damage, in my opinion. He doesn't consider to reevaluate or check prior evidence and that is a clear sign that even if he is town, he will not be of great use to us

OK I had other reasons for voting out Dip, but this is just a silly reason, it was a chaotic EOD even I didnt have time to go back and check everything, Im sure he didnt either. The reason I view him as suspicios is because of his allignment chart, everytime he's done it its left us with more questions than answers, and very weird things like calling ghug a powerwolfer with only posting 6 messages, and he also had damo(I think?) in the top left corner which meant he super trusts that person but never actually explained why

[Balki Bartokomous]

I'm on page 23 of my re-read.

Before I said Town!Sweet, Wolf!Vecna, but I think I need to switch them. Sweet doesn't seem suspicious enough, and seems too eager to announce how much he trusts Vecna. I had interpreted Sweet's earlier paraphrase as suggesting that Vecna was swooping in and agreeing with many things that Sweet said, but it looks like the opposite is true.

[sweetandcool]

I'm on page 23 of my re-read.

Before I said Town!Sweet, Wolf!Vecna, but I think I need to switch them. Sweet doesn't seem suspicious enough, and seems too eager to announce how much he trusts Vecna. I had interpreted Sweet's earlier paraphrase as suggesting that Vecna was swooping in and agreeing with many things that Sweet said, but it looks like the opposite is true.

That last part is true. I'm even mostly silently agreeing.

[FlaviusAetius]

oh hey fox, please enlighten us about your thoughts of bona, Will and Flavius. Any special team those three might be on, according your arcane matrices?

I was just getting to commenting on Bona's "lock in" comment. Is he a techbro? I actually have no idea if it's used unironically or not, but I think "lock in" means an extended, focused work session. I took Bona's comment as saying "hey Flum, let's solve this thing."

And just to be clear, the Arcane Matrices don't provide special info on a player (well, I suppose closer to the end of game, they can because they can tell you that a player may be more or less likely to be in a scum team based on how often they appear in the remaining teams).

Bona seems very superficial. He's skating. He's being helpful on little things and giving very short reactions to other things. I think scum would try harder, so I wouldn't put him at the top of my list to process.

Will seems to have got caught in the flood of posts. Newish player, yes? He really dropped off after the early part of D1, so there's not much to go on. Overwhelmed and losing interest, or overwhelmed and fearful of where to step???

Flav is doingthework. Pushed on Flum and and Dip and ended on Damo, which indicates a pretty consistent mindset to me. Pushed Damo into a tie for first near EOD—it's too early for VCA, but I think that's significant. I think if Damo flips scum (I was skeptical of that yesterday, but coming around on it, maybe), that would make me more suspicious of Flav. The thing that most makes me think Flav is townie is that he did chase the scumslip/townslip thing. If he's around near endgame and hasn't unravelled, he'd be a good candidate for scum, but not yet.

First of all I dropped the Flum wagon because I didnt like everyone getting onto it without the more evidence sweet and I were looking for.
Second, Will suspected me of being mafia for god knows what and then dipped so that was his grand contribution, I think it just screams laziness, and looking at whoever was posting most recently.
Third, I think at least one Mafia is skating, it could be Bona, im not sure its not someone we should entirely be focused on right now, but later in the game when we got more information to sus them out
Fourth, I didnt push damo into a tie, I dropped Flum due to something I already said and went to Dip, then the Dip wagon wasnt picking up enough steam and >I< was becoming a wagon so out of HB and Damo, the person I most thought was mafia was damo, and now Im not letting go of damo

[sweetandcool]

FACTS, conversations on the tadpole should end for a myriad of reasons this is just one other one.
1. Its a roundabout way to find who is a PR
2. Most people would accept it anyways
3. Its a waste of time and endless speculation

If you don't want to talk about it, why do you keep saying that most people would accept it? I don't think this is accurate, but presenting it as fact is likely to push someone on the fence towards the other side, which is bad for town.

Clearly you want to play scum, which is concerning, but you don't speak for everyone, and pushing your opinion here is a bad move.

No Im saying if someone is PR they are someone who guranteed wouldnt accept tadpole, and that means we have found a roundabout way to find out who is PR and who is not, which is WHY we should not be asking the question.

For someone who wants us to stop talking about the Tadpole, you sure are discussing it the most.