M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[Kakarroto]

If you are going to post analysis, do it at the last possible moment of N1 that way mafia cant change anything based on your analysis and we still have it in case you die

Strategizing what to do during the night though is not a bad idea, and I still think that should be laid at damo...leaving such unresolved stuff at D1 will not be good for us to solve things. Damo will always be a target with whatever strategy he is attempting at

"Don't talk about the game for half the game."

The fuckers have a daychat ya? Not too much point in being super quiet imo.

while this is true, as far as I understand, mafia has only actions for the night, so they are the most powerful at that point. So if they use it with better info, they have an advantage.

But yeah, with daychat and all, I feel it's not as big of an advantage as without, so I suggest to not stay quiet, but keep some big things hidden until late at night, and post them then.

[Kakarroto]

He's definitely got a pretty weak iso so far. He usually obvtowns under pressure too when he's town so he's got 7 hours

brian? The one who was voted out D1 on m87 after posting suspiciously? Where he garnered pressure and then got flashwagoned after obvmafiaing? Just to turning out he was town?

I think you got the wrong man here. Or show me examples where he 'usually obvtowns under pressure'.

This feels TMIish.

? what do you mean here with too much information? I have never seen brian obvtowning or at least can't remember that, I usually have a hard time reading him. This game I think I had one of the best reads of him so far, and that was late when he was under pressure. Pretty ironical, looking back at this post now, I have to say, since before that I had a feeling of him just existing and not tending in any special direction. I did stay away from him though since I know he's often misvoted and just let him be, and look at other stuff.

the whole thing people voting for him felt like a nothing burger, I kinda feel the same about damo, though if I had to make a choice of either, I would've voted for damo instead of brian here. It's not much, and probably nothing, but he ever so slightly gave a small mafia vibe off. But there were much better options, like Flum or lfischl, to push them to get info, or remove. Still sad that we didn't went for D&W here, which I felt was the superior vote, for reasons pointed out already.

But back to my question, what exactly do you mean here with me having too much information? I don't understand your thoughts there at all.

[Kakarroto]

oh boy, where to begin?

well at least you didn't forget that dargo was just a gm

now this:


these are all kotp posts before:











please, point out here, exactly where in your opinion Kotp is doing this useful stuff.



Brian on the other hand has provided his thoughts of his reads and shown a bit of him. Your arguments and statements don't represent the reality.


It's the same with Fluminator and me, you read him as "Absolute Exalted" and suspect me with the argument I was pushing to everyone the tadpole question, yet it was HE who did it, while I tried to mirror it to himself, to present it as the flaw it is.

m89 - repelling tadpole question.png


I'm heavily doubting you are of a sound logic in your arguments for your classification. You either need to cleanse yourself, or you are just mafia trying to give misinformation into the game.

First of all, Fluminator being absolute exalted is a joke. My serious read of him is neutral moral. Fluminator.
Second, note kotp agreeing with me and rejecting your scum-benefitting 'lets all reveal if we would accept a tadpole' proposal
Third, its a light townread. Chill. It's not like I'm calling kotp absolute exalted
Fourth, Fluminator started a list of people he would, and would not, consider wagoning D1. You turned that into "would you accept a tadpole".
Fifth and finally, I agree that I may have gotten a bit carried away with wagoning HB. However, the HB wagon is better than either the damo, lfischl, and fluminator wagons.

Hmm. Maybe we should flashwagon sweet.

Had I not been in straight meetings and not reading I'd have joined to try and flash sweet.

imagine reading all this and the only thing you take out of it and comment on is to flash wagon sweet.

what is your opinion between what happened between d&w and myself? Do you believe him? Are you of the thought I'm on to something? Is this possible mafia theatre? Are we both just town spiralling out of control?

[Kakarroto]

Well, Vecna and I appear to be on the same page, at least.

I like the idea of you two teaming up and solving this game.

There's a fanfic comic of this somewhere.

I miss emc

[Kakarroto]

I do think Dip is looking good. (find the full post following the link above)

what exactly do you mean with him looking good? Please give examples, go into detail, and point out your thoughts and reason behind this.

For the record, I heavily disagree with your assessment here. I think nearly nothing about him is good. Not his logic, not his behaviour regarding evidence, and I'm pretty sure now he isn't on the 'good side'. So please, make me understand you, try to show me the errors of my ways.

[Kakarroto]

GM Note

yoyoyozo has replaced Chaqa

chaqa has been replaced by yoyoyozo

heya yo o/

whatever exactly happened RL, all the best and good luck @chaqa

[Kakarroto]

And Brian feels a bit more town here to me than usual.

There's a scumslip if I've ever read one!!!

Brian flips town, Kak can garner a bit of towniness for it.

Really, I appreciate the defense but I can't excuse my ADD/super-busy playstyle. That's for me to fix.

sheep sheep sheep!

when I flip town, promise me to sheep my reads too

[Kakarroto]

Hello all, Kotp here. Unfortunately, due to circumstances outside of this game (schoolwork+mental health reasons), I am unable to continue playing, and have decided to withdraw. I have already messaged brain, and a sub should be coming in to take my spot. Very sorry to drop this so suddenly, but it’s for my own good. Good luck everyone, and have fun!

all the best to you, take a break and get better. Hope to see you again in another game when you feel great again

[Kakarroto]

Gm note

Balki Bartokomous has replaced thekingofpirates

thekingofpirates has been replaced by Balki Bartokomous

heya balki o/

[Kakarroto]

I haven’t read any posts or rules. I am unburdened by information. Will someone please tell me what I need to know?

I suggest to read the thread, I do think however you should join me tomorrow in voting out D&W. He is either mafia, or a town that is completely on the wrong track and presenting false narratives, refusing to look back and accept evidence he is wrong.

Other than that, there is a special thing about voting: you may end on no-kill or unvote, BUT you HAVE to have voted for one player that is/was alive during that day. Other than that, no posting limits, neither min nor max, so it would be totally enough if you only post a naked vote and then close the game.

Oh, and all phases are 24 hours, night and day. Plus mafia has a daychat. And a one time recruitment option, but we should not especially discuss that yet, I think.

[Kakarroto]

I claim beekeeper, just FYI.

Also, I’m going to solve the whole damn game tonight.

alright, I look forward to this

[Kakarroto]

They kept spamming my name in the signup thread so I felt I had no choice lmao.

You haven't missed much. It turns out it's hard to catch scum day 1 with only 24 hours, 26 players, and a large mafia team coordinating with day chat.

Wagons on Hamilton, Damo, Flavius, Dip&War…

This all feels very familiar. Did anyone do anything notable? Does anyone have a firm conviction?

I want you to introduce you to my religion.

What is your religion?

##vote DiplomacyandWarfare
##end

[Kakarroto]

BRUH people keep bringing this up, there is zero chance zero chance whatsoever someone is putting a message in here and it was actually meant for mafia chat...WEBDIP AND DISCORD ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS!!!

I’m just sayin…It looks to me like Bona wants to lock in a night action on Flum. Meaning Scum!Bona, Town!Flum. Though, I agree it would be crazy if this were real. It just doesn’t really feel like an actual post from a game thread.

I get your point about the fact that making that mistake would be strange, but I think the post is enough of a fish out of water to justify a discussion and not just a “Bruh.”

I think Bona thought that Flum was GM and thought this was the PM channel on discord. Bona is def a PR targeting Flum!!!

why would you even consider saying this at night?

[Vecna]

Update:
I tried to make a spreadsheet. The idea lasted about two minutes until I gave up. I am bad at spreadsheets.

Some helpful hints:

The point is to create a Process of Elimination (POE) machine. List out every possible scum team, and then find ways to eliminate (or downgrade the likelihood) teams. So you can now eliminate all teams with HB. Once we flip scum, you can eliminate all teams that do not include that person.

Identifying pairs that cannot be scum together is the best way to eliminate (or downgrade) teams from consideration. You can also do triplets, but that's slower going (but definitely useful with a 5-person mafia team).

SUMPRODUCT and COUNTIF are your friends, and be ready for nested statements (mine tend to go about 3 levels deep).

you better be prepared to show your work at a critical momebt if ur go na make claims like these

[Vecna]

Where's ghug and Vecna telling us these wagons are stupid and leading us to the correct vote?

im not sure whether the damo / HB wagon are stupid.

They might be. But I do feel theres enough reason to be voting there.

Flum / D&W / Flavius would all be atrocious wagons imo.

I feel like you. None of the juicy stuff I want to actually kill it on the table.

I STRONGLY feel bona is not getting anywhere near enough pressure. slot has been completely vapid.

I wouldnt mind S&C being an option

I always applaud a Chaqa wagon, and he's been awfully quiet (probably so he can N1 me again as he always does before I get a read on him )

Well, Vecna and I appear to be on the same page, at least.

which happens pretty much never when were both town, dear guggles.

[Vecna]

did ghug excuse himself for missing eod somewhere?

I cant for the life of me remember an eod without him present lol

I never excuse myself beforehand. Excuses are for cowards.

EoD tends to be in my early afternoon, and I regrettably have a job and a life, so shit happens sometimes.

did you move to asia, or do you count 3pm as early afternoon? isnt even westcoast like only 8h behind cet? maybe summertime made it -9?

[damo666]

##vote damo

I will join you, I think a number of people noticing damo is off is indicative of damo's scum game (as he is usually most obvscum D1 when he draws it).

##VOTE damo

How many times have I been D1'd as scum. It's either 0 or 1. Hardly usual.

[Vecna]

@Foxcastle when I said I'm bad at sheets I meant I'm REALLY bad at sheets. How do I display the possible scumteams?

I do it in the first N columns, so 5 in this case, A-E. You just work through the list. So row 1 is: Chaqa, King, Will, Jamie, Bona and then you iterate through the rest of the names in the last slot, and so forth. It can take some time, but with HB out, it cuts out like 12,000 rows that you have to do, so that helps make it easier.

I also find it strange you havent accounted for the tadpole making this equation nearly unsolveable, regardless of clever logic.

the only way itd work with the method you appear to be using is ignoring any observations prior to the tadpole deadline.

[Jamiet99uk]

I do think Dip is looking good. (find the full post following the link above)

what exactly do you mean with him looking good? Please give examples, go into detail, and point out your thoughts and reason behind this.

For the record, I heavily disagree with your assessment here. I think nearly nothing about him is good. Not his logic, not his behaviour regarding evidence, and I'm pretty sure now he isn't on the 'good side'. So please, make me understand you, try to show me the errors of my ways.

I side with Kak here.

[Vecna]

Bona last game was a fucking powerhouse and completely destroyed our team. Now he's been completely coasting on being a little too funny.

not a single game-related post. none that i remember at least.

this is fake. i omgused a scum to death on d1 and then tunnelled the cop for the rest of the game.

cringe attempt to retrofit a narrative!

you were actively engaged day1 trying to get people to kill will.