M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[Fluminator]

From this point I got several cases against people;

Those who bandwagoned Jamie right out of the gate are super sus, they jumped on an easy target for his attitude, and even voted for him! Like that's not even playing the game seriously.

Kak super defended himself against that troll thing he did in the beginning with the no-vote people D1, like sure explain yourself and move on but he KEPT ON TALKING ABOUT IT. That isnt normal

Vecna & HamiltonBrian both asked about how many mafia there are, so either they didnt pay attention at ALL to the signup thread(mega DOUBT!) or their asking a mafia type useless question...clearly no one is going with my Flum catch so Im voting HamiltonBrian since he's the only one I have on my suspicions lists...but im still reading so I might flip ##VOTE HamiltonBrian

I also suspect D&W slightly for putting me as Lawful Good, but need more

Suspicious you jump off of Flum right when I jump back on the wagon.

Come back and prove yourself!

DEAL(i didnt know you jumped back on)
##vote fluminator

THE CASE FOR FLUMINATOR;
Is him suspecting sweetandcool because sweetandcool would accept a tadpole, so he THINKS sweetandcool is a TOWN, yet wants him out anyways! This is a trait half of the people here would do, most people are accepting that tadpole if you want to admit it yourself or not.
Also asking the question is not only useless(cause most people would do it), but ALSO if you are a PR thats pretty much the ONLY REASON you wouldnt accept the tadpole so thats a roundabout way of finding people who are PR and who are not. Its just so CRAZY to even ask this question and then continue to PUSH and DEFEND IT!!

I have never once this game thought sweet is town yet.
I also never asked a question. I just said he had to die. You have to die soon too if you're claiming you'll take the tadpole.

[FlaviusAetius]

Why "with a new player"?

A new player would be most likely to scumslip and answer this question, which might explain Squiggs posting - preventing his scumteammate from slipping.

Or what if Squigs scumslipped, even though it is not an actual scumslip, and you are on his scumteam and are desperately protecting him?

Round and round we go.

We can endlessly play this game, you gotta stop somewhere, and hopefully other stuff they say is what leads us to do that, but this just doesnt tell us nothing scumslipping is a real thing

[FlaviusAetius]

Suspicious you jump off of Flum right when I jump back on the wagon.

Come back and prove yourself!

DEAL(i didnt know you jumped back on)
##vote fluminator

THE CASE FOR FLUMINATOR;
Is him suspecting sweetandcool because sweetandcool would accept a tadpole, so he THINKS sweetandcool is a TOWN, yet wants him out anyways! This is a trait half of the people here would do, most people are accepting that tadpole if you want to admit it yourself or not.
Also asking the question is not only useless(cause most people would do it), but ALSO if you are a PR thats pretty much the ONLY REASON you wouldnt accept the tadpole so thats a roundabout way of finding people who are PR and who are not. Its just so CRAZY to even ask this question and then continue to PUSH and DEFEND IT!!

I have never once this game thought sweet is town yet.
I also never asked a question. I just said he had to die. You have to die soon too if you're claiming you'll take the tadpole.

I already explained why this is a bad question a million times why on EARTH do you keep asking it??

[Fluminator]

What question am I asking?

[Fluminator]

This might seem like a random question, but are you from North America?
Just curious since I've never played with you before.

[Kakarroto]

Snipping considered harmful.

*trying to resist inserting a 'snip-snip' joke which the very most in here wouldn't get anyway*

My dad got a complimentary monogrammed "Dr. Snips" monogrammed pocket knife with his vasectomy.

that was absolutely not where I was going. My condolences or congratulations, whichever fits in this case.

[Kakarroto]

Your post made it sound like you were choosing to stop reading because the first 7 pages were insufferable, not because you were tired. Also Bunny had 3 short posts in the first 7 pages. Bunny didn't get difficult to read till much later, and even then I wouldn't characterize them as insufferable.

And now your second order of business is to hardclaim, which is arguably more anti town

he's hardclaiming because he's top wagon in a short day. Possibly a tad early but reasonably understandable.

It is strange that damo
A) Came to the conclusion that hard claiming here was reasonable
B) Felt the need to defend jamie

The damo I remember was decent at one thing: understanding mechanics and optimal gameplay

town damo especially tries to protect PR's and points out flawed behaviour that can lead to reducing the pool where they can hide from the mafia. Just ignoring someone hardclaiming vanilla is very un-town-damo like

[Kakarroto]

Alr I'm caught up on the thread again.
New alignment chart:
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A few notes:
ghug feels like he is powerwolfing
Bunny seems to be playing as town but is doing it an extremely messy fashion (ChatGPT), so he is Anarchic Good
Hamilton has not made a single good post this game
Fluminator

I'm also going to ##VOTE HAMILTONBRIAN

please explain your read on lfischl in more detail

I also want your explanation for the placement of dargo, please.

And if you be so kind and have still time for it, please tell me the difference between Hamilton and kotp.

[Kakarroto]

I think we know why food is endvoting me but maybe that's an easy excuse to disguise his scumness?

...and you are endvoting Hamilton because.....?

He screams scum.

however, maf-damo wouldn't lean himself out that far of the window on day one, I think? So maybe he either missed or ignored the vanilla claims for some reason (lazyness? Not much time?)? hmm

[Kakarroto]

Is Hamilton having trouble keeping up with two places to post and not posting messages for one audience to the other?

Oh no.

Perhaps we should relieve him of his burden.

##vote ham

Can we just endvote Ham please. He is obvscum.

This seems out of character for Damo.

yes, I agree, I'm not sure if that means town or mafia though. But yes, he is different than before

[Fluminator]

Kakarotto, why do you prepare 3 posts before posting them all simultaneously?

[FlaviusAetius]

Jamie did you actually hard claim because you were the top wagon and felt you needed to do so to save yourself? Or do you have some other strange reason?

I am a simple man. I am not executing some kind of convoluted strategy.

So you confirm that you revealed because you felt pressured? I just find it extremely strange that you felt that much pressure at that point, and that your remedy was to hard claim instead of addressing the requests/critiques made of you

Cmon jamie you had to have some kind of thought process for being the FIRST person to claim ANYTHING. Like?? This is insane that you just did it on a WHIM

[Kakarroto]

He's definitely got a pretty weak iso so far. He usually obvtowns under pressure too when he's town so he's got 7 hours

brian? The one who was voted out D1 on m87 after posting suspiciously? Where he garnered pressure and then got flashwagoned after obvmafiaing? Just to turning out he was town?

I think you got the wrong man here. Or show me examples where he 'usually obvtowns under pressure'.

[Kakarroto]

Key town vibes: Jamie, Chaqa (hope things are alright), king (I kind of like the decision to no-kill), Monarch, worcej, bunny,

Leaning town: dousing, aaro, flum, fox, flaevius, sweet, Just,

Negative feelings: ghug, damo; foodcoats, bona, Dip,

Sus: Kakarroto, ilfischl, vecna, squigs,

Just a quick smash through the Global Status.

what of chaqa's single post made him "key town"?

explain in detail what you think of jamie, why he is the first choice for key town

why do you like kings decision to no-kill? What are the benefits? Why aren't you voting no-kill yourself?

[Kakarroto]

Again, let's please not tell mafia who would accept a tadpole.

hard agree with dipandwar here, we don't to give mafia any more advantages.

Ok I may be biased because he agreed with me, but kak's whole "everyone say if they would accept a tadpole" routine was scummy and needed to be shut down.

??? Where did say something like that? Quote that post, show it to everyone. What I did was shoving that question back to someone who did do this, to show how bad their question was.

I think I know who I would choose if I was mafia, or at least I have a small group that I would consider. And who I wouldn't and stay away from offering them that. But I haven't divulged any information, and I haven't prodded everyone about what they would do. That is talk we probably should have after night four.

[Kakarroto]

Has there been a single case made on Damo yet?

He's attempting to hammer someone and repeatedly refusing to provide any argument beyond "his posts are obviously scummy" which looks like scum!damo in bussing mode.

This has been explained.

Now it has. Before it kind of wasn't.
Ham is like 92% scum. Damo is like 83% town.

I would love to see the math behind these numbers.

[Fluminator]

You are posting these way too fast Kak lol

[Kakarroto]

Revising the earlier post as things develop.

Key town vibes: Jamie, Chaqa (hope things are alright), king (I kind of like the decision to no-kill), Monarch, worcej, bunny,

Leaning town: dousing, aaro, flum, fox, flaevius, sweet, Just, squiggs

Negative feelings: ghug, damo; foodcoats, bona, Dip, flum, vecna (moving up...I don't like the long-standing vote on jamie but there hasn't been a rush to get on a lead wagon).

Sus: Kakarroto, ilfischl,

I have to credit brian here, if I were mafia, I would be most likely bussing, so that checks out.

He did write some names incorrectly though, which leads to a deduction in the B score.

I love how flum is making him confused (thanks for pointing that out, Jamie)

[Kakarroto]

Screw it. I don't care that it's non-competitive at this point.

##VOTE DiplomacyandWarfare

You're trying to act like angry town, but I don't think you are.

I lean to believe him there.

[Kakarroto]

So.

3.5, 4th, or 5th?

I'm one of the few fans of 4th myself.

I like both 3.5 and 5, though 3.5 more. Not a fan of 4 personally, but I can see the appeal.

Mostly, it is due to with 'what can you create', how much freedom you have in the creation of your character. It feels, 5 is a simplified version of 3.5, and 4 is only giving you some choices. But they have all advantages and disadvantages in what they try to do.