M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

I do find it kind of interesting that Dip knew that the janitor role here learned the role of the target. I don't think that's usually the case here on WebDip. So either he read the whole setup and has a great memory or he has a reason to know that particular detail.

Town motivation for this post?

Yeah. Is Fox PR hunting?

[sweetandcool]

So how do we deal with Mafia's daychat?

Like maybe it doesn't make a huge difference except during mech moments where they have to be careful?

Or is it actually bad for Mafia?

[sweetandcool]

I do find it kind of interesting that Dip knew that the janitor role here learned the role of the target. I don't think that's usually the case here on WebDip. So either he read the whole setup and has a great memory or he has a reason to know that particular detail.

Town motivation for this post?

Yeah. Is Fox PR hunting?

Townslip or fake?

[Kakarroto]

@kak I still don't have an answer

Have you used a D1 no kill list before?

oh, I thought you were others asking with the phrasing, so I wanted to let them answer.

If you ask me directly, I have a few times put out thoughts of people putting into 'buckets', like 'would vote for', 'could vote for' and 'not vote for', I think two or three games before this I did it too? Like I'm usually very soft D1 on new players, have some players who I would give a slight pass (either because I think they could be valuable, would give more information later as either town or mafia, or would make the game more enjoyable), and am more inclined to try remove player that might not be too active without giving a benefit in the later game.

For example, I picked myself since I don't want to vote for myself here (I mean ok, that much should be logical). Sweet has been taken out every time as mafia on D1 and he has never experienced the game from this side further, so this is just a given for me at this point to strongly disregard voting for sweet on d1; especially since he just had a great performance as town last game, I don't want him to be gone early (and if he is mafia, he might just give out accidentally another of his teammates, but pssst).

We have quite a lot PR's this game, and worcej has been easily claimed under pressure before, so I want to mitigate that risk. Plus, his mafia tell is being great at hitting PR's, so we might be able to clear him soon. Col7by is a new player and thus should be encouraged to play, and come back by having a bit of a game. Bona is a personal choice, since he can be a great asset, but is often a target of mafia trying to missvote him. Plus, when he is mafia, it should be pretty visible at day 3 or 4, normally, if you know where to look at. Also, he usually reads me correctly, so I have no fear this game that town-bona would vote me out

As for ghug, I think he is a great asset for town too. He has also one or two signs that might surface when he is mafia, and I think I know him at this point that I should not be fooled by him. Of course, I could be wrong there and he can be able to pull wool over my face, but I also enjoy playing with him and want to see more from him.

And for everyone, please don't take it personally if you aren't on the list, I enjoy playing with everyone, or most everyone (I think there exist people where I genuinely wish to not play with them, but I think I haven't met any in the time I played, as far as I remember), like jamie, demon, foods, bunny, will, chaqa, to name only a few, but I think, that currently I would trust myself the most to get a read of ghug out of all, well bona maybe more, but he is already on my list.

I hope that makes it more clear for you, Squigs?

I understand the reasoning for voting this way. I don't understand publishing this list 5 mins into the game. At least not from a town perspective. I feel like you're a smart person, but publishing a list like this seems potentially controlling if you are mafia, while I don't see any upside from a town perspective.
Help me understand

well, usually people don't listen to me, especially early. I don't think I've ever controlled a game state in the first few parts of a game, so such a thought didn't came to mind. I'm more inclined at this phase to make people understand from where I'm coming off, so they can read me, and make people react for better information in later phases. Like usually I start with pretty bad reads early, and they grow progressively better the later the game gets.

I like to be right though, so that's probably why I buss as a mafia. A lot. Not always, mind you, but if you see me voting someone with fervor, it's very likely either coming from a town perspective, or bussing mafia. But that aside, I don't think I'm a good controller, especially early. I think as mafia I'm much more of a deceiver, hiding behind truths, and using them to slip into unlikely situations, and go with the flow. As town, I'm trying to uncover, pointing things out, asking questions, collecting puzzle pieces and try to fit a picture together to get to the truth.

I mean, I could be wrong and have a wrong picture of myself, but ask around, I'm sure there are some people here who can tell you of me. If they say I'm a control type, I would be pretty surprised though.

[Squigs44]

So how do we deal with Mafia's daychat?

Like maybe it doesn't make a huge difference except during mech moments where they have to be careful?

Or is it actually bad for Mafia?

What do you mean by 'deal with Mafias daychat'?

And why would a daychat be a bad thing?

[Kakarroto]

Someone did. Probably Flavius.

My point stands.

Yea that was my fuault I was trying to shorten someone's quote to only respond to particular part, and to not flood the chat but I did it wrong lol

Snipping considered harmful.

*trying to resist inserting a 'snip-snip' joke which the very most in here wouldn't get anyway*

[Foxcastle]

I do find it kind of interesting that Dip knew that the janitor role here learned the role of the target. I don't think that's usually the case here on WebDip. So either he read the whole setup and has a great memory or he has a reason to know that particular detail.

Town motivation for this post?

Yeah. Is Fox PR hunting?

Oh. I assumed it was mafia role (as the Janitor usually is). Surely all the roles are not valid for both mafia and town...

[Squigs44]

oh, I thought you were others asking with the phrasing, so I wanted to let them answer.

If you ask me directly, I have a few times put out thoughts of people putting into 'buckets', like 'would vote for', 'could vote for' and 'not vote for', I think two or three games before this I did it too? Like I'm usually very soft D1 on new players, have some players who I would give a slight pass (either because I think they could be valuable, would give more information later as either town or mafia, or would make the game more enjoyable), and am more inclined to try remove player that might not be too active without giving a benefit in the later game.

For example, I picked myself since I don't want to vote for myself here (I mean ok, that much should be logical). Sweet has been taken out every time as mafia on D1 and he has never experienced the game from this side further, so this is just a given for me at this point to strongly disregard voting for sweet on d1; especially since he just had a great performance as town last game, I don't want him to be gone early (and if he is mafia, he might just give out accidentally another of his teammates, but pssst).

We have quite a lot PR's this game, and worcej has been easily claimed under pressure before, so I want to mitigate that risk. Plus, his mafia tell is being great at hitting PR's, so we might be able to clear him soon. Col7by is a new player and thus should be encouraged to play, and come back by having a bit of a game. Bona is a personal choice, since he can be a great asset, but is often a target of mafia trying to missvote him. Plus, when he is mafia, it should be pretty visible at day 3 or 4, normally, if you know where to look at. Also, he usually reads me correctly, so I have no fear this game that town-bona would vote me out

As for ghug, I think he is a great asset for town too. He has also one or two signs that might surface when he is mafia, and I think I know him at this point that I should not be fooled by him. Of course, I could be wrong there and he can be able to pull wool over my face, but I also enjoy playing with him and want to see more from him.

And for everyone, please don't take it personally if you aren't on the list, I enjoy playing with everyone, or most everyone (I think there exist people where I genuinely wish to not play with them, but I think I haven't met any in the time I played, as far as I remember), like jamie, demon, foods, bunny, will, chaqa, to name only a few, but I think, that currently I would trust myself the most to get a read of ghug out of all, well bona maybe more, but he is already on my list.

I hope that makes it more clear for you, Squigs?

I understand the reasoning for voting this way. I don't understand publishing this list 5 mins into the game. At least not from a town perspective. I feel like you're a smart person, but publishing a list like this seems potentially controlling if you are mafia, while I don't see any upside from a town perspective.
Help me understand

well, usually people don't listen to me, especially early. I don't think I've ever controlled a game state in the first few parts of a game, so such a thought didn't came to mind. I'm more inclined at this phase to make people understand from where I'm coming off, so they can read me, and make people react for better information in later phases. Like usually I start with pretty bad reads early, and they grow progressively better the later the game gets.

I like to be right though, so that's probably why I buss as a mafia. A lot. Not always, mind you, but if you see me voting someone with fervor, it's very likely either coming from a town perspective, or bussing mafia. But that aside, I don't think I'm a good controller, especially early. I think as mafia I'm much more of a deceiver, hiding behind truths, and using them to slip into unlikely situations, and go with the flow. As town, I'm trying to uncover, pointing things out, asking questions, collecting puzzle pieces and try to fit a picture together to get to the truth.

I mean, I could be wrong and have a wrong picture of myself, but ask around, I'm sure there are some people here who can tell you of me. If they say I'm a control type, I would be pretty surprised though.

You wanted people to better understand your completely random vote? Or it was a precursor for future voting?

[Kakarroto]

if that is your concern, as far as I understood, voting "no-kill" in this game does NOT prevent you from being modkilled. The phrasing is:

You must vote at some point during the day for a LIVING player, you may end a day unvoted as long as you voted for a LIVING player at some point, you may vote no kill provided you voted for a LIVING player at some point. You may self vote, this will count as voting a player.

please check page 1 or the GM for this.

Oh damn, nice catch, I didn't see that. alright then, I shall ##vote kingofthepirates (self voting is always fun :D). I know I'm safe (safe as in town), and I'll still be keeping up, seeing if anything new comes out, and voting accordingly, far to early to definitively say anything.

can't wait for jamie driving a crusade on here now

maybe I'm even following this time ...

[FlaviusAetius]

So, is this where we debate whether Squiggs scumslipped because he automatically knew how many mafia there were without needing to read the setup?

Brainbomb said there were 5? Somewhere I think, too lazy to check.

Right, but Squiggs implicitly claims it's in the setup, which he clearly hasn't read.

Maybe he assumed or something idk. But I think it was pretty clearly stated in the signup that there would be 5 mafia, so this isnt really that big of a deal bro

[Vecna]

I have read the first 1.5 pages. As always I will townread Will whether he is town or not, and I will be suspicious of flum and kakkarot regardless of allignment.

Now, for my uber-important question that will clearly demonstrate I am town - Do we actually know how many scum this setup features? Because it was not mentioned in the starting post as far as I could find. Was it mentioned in the spammed out signup thread somewhere?

[BunnyGo]

Name: Gaultier Cindershot
Species: Custom Lineage (High Elf)
Class: Wizard
Backstory: Wants to be a hero, like the great wizards of old.
Quirks: Is prone to accidently casting Prestidigation and causing minor fires

Greetings, Gaultier Cindershot! It’s a pleasure to meet someone striving to follow in the footsteps of legendary wizards. Your accidental bursts of magic only add to your charm—after all, what’s a bit of fire among friends? Looking forward to seeing your heroic journey unfold.

[Kakarroto]

In Jamie’s 3P game recently I chased postcounts and got to 1000. It just fuels apathy and a willingness not to read any of your posts

I was in said 3P game and I read your posts as much as I read everyone else's. Which is to say, I skimmed them. Then again, I was scum at the time, so...

I mean you do you mate

You can post a lot, but do not post just for the sake of posting

Will used his level up to gain +2 Wisdom

(Will increased his will, haha, get it? ... ok I shut up about that)

[Foxcastle]

Brainbomb said there were 5? Somewhere I think, too lazy to check.

Right, but Squiggs implicitly claims it's in the setup, which he clearly hasn't read.

Maybe he assumed or something idk. But I think it was pretty clearly stated in the signup that there would be 5 mafia, so this isnt really that big of a deal bro

Plenty of people don't pay attention to the singnup thread beyond confirming.

[Squigs44]

I have read the first 1.5 pages. As always I will townread Will whether he is town or not, and I will be suspicious of flum and kakkarot regardless of allignment.

Now, for my uber-important question that will clearly demonstrate I am town - Do we actually know how many scum this setup features? Because it was not mentioned in the starting post as far as I could find. Was it mentioned in the spammed out signup thread somewhere?

I see Vecna hasn't changed

[Foxcastle]

I have read the first 1.5 pages. As always I will townread Will whether he is town or not, and I will be suspicious of flum and kakkarot regardless of allignment.

Now, for my uber-important question that will clearly demonstrate I am town - Do we actually know how many scum this setup features? Because it was not mentioned in the starting post as far as I could find. Was it mentioned in the spammed out signup thread somewhere?

Are you running Internet Explorer or something?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I have read the first 1.5 pages. As always I will townread Will whether he is town or not, and I will be suspicious of flum and kakkarot regardless of allignment.

Now, for my uber-important question that will clearly demonstrate I am town - Do we actually know how many scum this setup features? Because it was not mentioned in the starting post as far as I could find. Was it mentioned in the spammed out signup thread somewhere?

Why do you tr/sr who you do? Just the way we play or what

[Kakarroto]

Hey Kak I have overtaken you in posts

congrats, neither do I use the bot, nor do I strive to be top poster on count

I do, however, like if my characters/words per post are one of the highest. That's usually a sign that I have much to say about different subjects inside the game. Or write a lot of flavour. Both a positive.

Or you do long analytical posts that you can proofread easily instead of stream of consciousness posting or back and forth discussion which can be much more insightful

well, as a non-native english speaker, I usually proofread my posts anyway for any spelling mistakes, I'm very cautious about that. It happens I post quickly and make mistakes, yes, but most of the time, there is an urge to just make no spelling mistakes

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I have read the first 1.5 pages. As always I will townread Will whether he is town or not, and I will be suspicious of flum and kakkarot regardless of allignment.

Now, for my uber-important question that will clearly demonstrate I am town - Do we actually know how many scum this setup features? Because it was not mentioned in the starting post as far as I could find. Was it mentioned in the spammed out signup thread somewhere?

Why do you tr/sr who you do? Just the way we play or what

Also by your logic wouldn’t be acting like this be NAI? Why the tr then?

[Squigs44]

Right, but Squiggs implicitly claims it's in the setup, which he clearly hasn't read.

Maybe he assumed or something idk. But I think it was pretty clearly stated in the signup that there would be 5 mafia, so this isnt really that big of a deal bro

Plenty of people don't pay attention to the singnup thread beyond confirming.

Are you insinuating that I didn't read the sign up thread/set up and then hypocritically got annoyed at someone else for not reading.

Have you forgotten the game xorxes and I broke day 1 by hard solving the set up? I read the set up