Mafia 88: Murder at the Meadery - GAME THREAD

[BunnyGo]

Yet I would bus the GF when I could’ve not?

As I recall, you voted for JustWIll in the last five minutes when he appeared already cooked. So your move is very consistent with someone who wanted to get on that wagon to claim credit later, at a time when you figured that JustWill could not be saved.

Just confirming now:

M88 Day 1 Final Vote Count:
JustAGuyNamedWill (7): sweetandcool, Bonatogether, rdrivera2005, kingofthepirates, worcej, BunnyGo, ghug
damo666 (3): Spartaculous, Balki Bartokomous, Hamilton Brian
Bonatogether (3): JustAGuyNamedWill, Jamiet99uk, Vecna
Spartaculous (3): brainbomb, bozotheclown, foodcoats
sweetandcool (1): damo666

worcej voted JustWill for the first time with five minutes to go in the phase, when JustWIll had already pulled into the lead. That would be quite a classic bus.

That’s a very misleading representation of worcej’s vote. It was 5-4-4 prior to his vote and he could have tied it.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Maybe.

I've been in that position, as Scum a few times. I have felt like the last thing I want to do is try to save a teammate who appears to be going down in the last five minutes. So, if it's Scum!worcej, I think he'd be more likely to vote for JustWill in that instance, without having solid reasons in thread to go some place else.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I think I read this vote differently if it happened an hour before the deadline. But five minutes before, in the face of this wave moving in JustWill's direction, I see it as a classic bus.

Doesn't mean worcej is definitely Scum. I just see that vote as a plausibly coming from Scum!worcej.

[sweetandcool]

Yet I would bus the GF when I could’ve not?

As I recall, you voted for JustWIll in the last five minutes when he appeared already cooked. So your move is very consistent with someone who wanted to get on that wagon to claim credit later, at a time when you figured that JustWill could not be saved.

Just confirming now:

M88 Day 1 Final Vote Count:
JustAGuyNamedWill (7): sweetandcool, Bonatogether, rdrivera2005, kingofthepirates, worcej, BunnyGo, ghug
damo666 (3): Spartaculous, Balki Bartokomous, Hamilton Brian
Bonatogether (3): JustAGuyNamedWill, Jamiet99uk, Vecna
Spartaculous (3): brainbomb, bozotheclown, foodcoats
sweetandcool (1): damo666

worcej voted JustWill for the first time with five minutes to go in the phase, when JustWIll had already pulled into the lead. That would be quite a classic bus.

Can we come up with a better term?

When it's last moment it's hardly a bus in a meaningful way. It's more like cutting your losses.

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

Updated reads list:

Strong town:
Jamiet
Ham

Weak town:
Balki
worcej

Weak scum:
Sweet
BunnyGo

Strong scum:
Vecna

Null:
Everyone else

I suspect Sweet and Bunny on a scumteam together, but they are my weaker scumreads anyways.

For now I will:
##VOTE VECNA

[BunnyGo]

Updated reads list:

Strong town:
Jamiet
Ham

Weak town:
Balki
worcej

Weak scum:
Sweet
BunnyGo

Strong scum:
Vecna

Null:
Everyone else

I suspect Sweet and Bunny on a scumteam together, but they are my weaker scumreads anyways.

For now I will:
##VOTE VECNA

Tell me the story of scum!vecna. How does that fit your view of what’s happening this game?

[sweetandcool]

Updated reads list:

Strong town:
Jamiet
Ham

Weak town:
Balki
worcej

Weak scum:
Sweet
BunnyGo

Strong scum:
Vecna

Null:
Everyone else

I suspect Sweet and Bunny on a scumteam together, but they are my weaker scumreads anyways.

For now I will:
##VOTE VECNA

reads list

But I'm glad you've decided to bus your teammate.

##VOTE Vecna

[kingofthepirates]

I can see the bunny+sweet team. IMO, they’re paired town, I’d be VERY surprised if they flipped scum. I’m holding off on voting for now.

[BunnyGo]

I can see the bunny+sweet team. IMO, they’re paired town, I’d be VERY surprised if they flipped scum. I’m holding off on voting for now.

Tell me in what way you see an me and sweet pair. How does that square with votes, RBs, night kills, public statements?

Tell me the story you’re seeing.

[sweetandcool]

Town:

Jamiet: The RB and swearing at Pirate (though maybe that's actually NAI)
Bona: I don't think he bussed, felt Town vs Will.
Pirate: I don't think he would bus unprovoked like that.
Ham?????????????

Null:
Worcej
Balki

Scum lean:
Bozo: Still feel like D2 voting behavior was scum motivated.
Bunny: basically a WIFOM
Sparta: Mainly PoE and his main contribution is meta analysis. I kind of want him to be Town, but I kind of think he could be scum.

Scum:

Vecna
Dip
Ham??????
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I've already commented extensively on the scumteam. I might be wrong about Ham which means I'm wrong about someone, probably null or below.

I feel okay about my reasons for Towning players, but honestly I am not completely sure about any of them.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Town:

Jamiet: The RB and swearing at Pirate (though maybe that's actually NAI)
Bona: I don't think he bussed, felt Town vs Will.
Pirate: I don't think he would bus unprovoked like that.
Ham?????????????

Null:
Worcej
Balki

Scum lean:
Bozo: Still feel like D2 voting behavior was scum motivated.
Bunny: basically a WIFOM
Sparta: Mainly PoE and his main contribution is meta analysis. I kind of want him to be Town, but I kind of think he could be scum.

Scum:

Vecna
Dip
Ham??????
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I've already commented extensively on the scumteam. I might be wrong about Ham which means I'm wrong about someone, probably null or below.

I feel okay about my reasons for Towning players, but honestly I am not completely sure about any of them.

Have you ruminated on rdrivera's Day 1 vote? Can you explain (or repeat) your thoughts on that?

[kingofthepirates]

[quote=kingofthepirates post_id=402062 time=<a href="tel:1715291825">1715291825</a> user_id=26135]
I can see the bunny+sweet team. IMO, they’re paired town, I’d be VERY surprised if they flipped scum. I’m holding off on voting for now.

Tell me in what way you see an me and sweet pair. How does that square with votes, RBs, night kills, public statements?

Tell me the story you’re seeing.
[/quote]

Mainly interaction wise, I think you two are working together, or at least towards a common goal. Votes align d1. All other days I’m not going to try and explain, since with night chat it could all be coordinated in some way or other (ex. You vote for X tmr, I vote Y, etc.) rb nk can all be sorted in night chat and won’t try to explain it. If you were teamed mafia this is how I play it out. As I said, I think you’re paired town though.

[BunnyGo]

Town:

Jamiet: The RB and swearing at Pirate (though maybe that's actually NAI)
Bona: I don't think he bussed, felt Town vs Will.
Pirate: I don't think he would bus unprovoked like that.
Ham?????????????

Null:
Worcej
Balki

Scum lean:
Bozo: Still feel like D2 voting behavior was scum motivated.
Bunny: basically a WIFOM
Sparta: Mainly PoE and his main contribution is meta analysis. I kind of want him to be Town, but I kind of think he could be scum.

Scum:

Vecna
Dip
Ham??????
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I've already commented extensively on the scumteam. I might be wrong about Ham which means I'm wrong about someone, probably null or below.

I feel okay about my reasons for Towning players, but honestly I am not completely sure about any of them.

How much bussing happened last game? How effective was it?

[BunnyGo]

[quote=kingofthepirates post_id=402062 time=<a href="tel:1715291825">1715291825</a> user_id=26135]
I can see the bunny+sweet team. IMO, they’re paired town, I’d be VERY surprised if they flipped scum. I’m holding off on voting for now.

Tell me in what way you see an me and sweet pair. How does that square with votes, RBs, night kills, public statements?

Tell me the story you’re seeing.

Mainly interaction wise, I think you two are working together, or at least towards a common goal. Votes align d1. All other days I’m not going to try and explain, since with night chat it could all be coordinated in some way or other (ex. You vote for X tmr, I vote Y, etc.) rb nk can all be sorted in night chat and won’t try to explain it. If you were teamed mafia this is how I play it out. As I said, I think you’re paired town though.
[/quote]

That’s a terrible story. At no point did you ever tell me why you think either of us is scum.

[sweetandcool]

Town:

Jamiet: The RB and swearing at Pirate (though maybe that's actually NAI)
Bona: I don't think he bussed, felt Town vs Will.
Pirate: I don't think he would bus unprovoked like that.
Ham?????????????

Null:
Worcej
Balki

Scum lean:
Bozo: Still feel like D2 voting behavior was scum motivated.
Bunny: basically a WIFOM
Sparta: Mainly PoE and his main contribution is meta analysis. I kind of want him to be Town, but I kind of think he could be scum.

Scum:

Vecna
Dip
Ham??????
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I've already commented extensively on the scumteam. I might be wrong about Ham which means I'm wrong about someone, probably null or below.

I feel okay about my reasons for Towning players, but honestly I am not completely sure about any of them.

How much bussing happened last game? How effective was it?

Last game was an insane multi so idk.

[BunnyGo]

[quote=kingofthepirates post_id=402062 time=<a href="tel:1715291825">1715291825</a> user_id=26135]
I can see the bunny+sweet team. IMO, they’re paired town, I’d be VERY surprised if they flipped scum. I’m holding off on voting for now.

Tell me in what way you see an me and sweet pair. How does that square with votes, RBs, night kills, public statements?

Tell me the story you’re seeing.

Mainly interaction wise, I think you two are working together, or at least towards a common goal. Votes align d1. All other days I’m not going to try and explain, since with night chat it could all be coordinated in some way or other (ex. You vote for X tmr, I vote Y, etc.) rb nk can all be sorted in night chat and won’t try to explain it. If you were teamed mafia this is how I play it out. As I said, I think you’re paired town though.

That’s a terrible story. At no point did you ever tell me why you think either of us is scum.
[/quote]

Use that AP studying to tell a story.

Convince your readers (not just me) of the premise. The plot. The characters. Sell it!

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

Reason #1 that Bunny and sweet are scumteammed together: Sweet defends Bunny without giving a reason.

can we please vote Sparta?

Who is thinking the team was Just-Sparta-Balki-KoP?

In the space of half an hour you wanted to endhammer Balki, then you wanted to endhammer KingofPirates, and now you're advocating votes on Sparta despite not voting him yourself.

Have your forgotten to take your ADHD medication or are you just looking for spurious wagons to start and/or push?

Why the Brainbomb impression?

Excellent point. Bunny is being scummy.

The thing about ADHD is a little bit insensitive. I don't have ADHD or know anybody who does, but it's probably not a good topic for jokes of this kind.

has hamilton claimed a scan yet

He retracted his Cop claim like two days ago.

Why aren't you reading the thread?

Oh, look at this. Bonatogether can't even be bothered to track the thread. Idk if this is scum but it's definitely not good townplay.
Also, has everyone forgotten about bozo?

Strong town:
Ham
Jamiet

Weak town:
Balki
Sweet

Weak scum:
Bozo
Vecna
Bonatogether
BunnyGo

Null:
Everyone else

This post is a lot, but the important part is that I voice my suspicion of Bunny. Sweet's response on the next page...

Is nobody reading what Dip is writing? I don't think it could look much worse.

##VOTE Dip

I am genuinely impressed with how good this post is at defending scumteammate bunny. It discredits what I've been saying, sets Bunny up for voting me, changes the subject away from the suspicion of Bunny, and does this all without any evidence. If sweet actually thought I was scum because of what I was saying, he would've done the following:

• Taken the time to write a decent post

• Quoted evidence of this stuff I'm writing that supposedly couldn't look much worse

• Explained exactly what was wrong with my post

[kingofthepirates]

That’s a terrible story. At no point did you ever tell me why you think either of us is scum.

As I said, I don’t think you are scum. I said I’d be surprised, and if you were scum the story is how id imagine the interaction. Perhaps I’m misunderstanding; is paired specifically only for paired scum??? As I said, you are paired, but in my eyes you are paired town.

[sweetandcool]

Town:

Jamiet: The RB and swearing at Pirate (though maybe that's actually NAI)
Bona: I don't think he bussed, felt Town vs Will.
Pirate: I don't think he would bus unprovoked like that.
Ham?????????????

Null:
Worcej
Balki

Scum lean:
Bozo: Still feel like D2 voting behavior was scum motivated.
Bunny: basically a WIFOM
Sparta: Mainly PoE and his main contribution is meta analysis. I kind of want him to be Town, but I kind of think he could be scum.

Scum:

Vecna
Dip
Ham??????
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I've already commented extensively on the scumteam. I might be wrong about Ham which means I'm wrong about someone, probably null or below.

I feel okay about my reasons for Towning players, but honestly I am not completely sure about any of them.

Have you ruminated on rdrivera's Day 1 vote? Can you explain (or repeat) your thoughts on that?

The entire scum team was spread between Bona, damo. So rdr busses by voting Just, tying the three wagons at three.

He probably figured his teammates could easily consolidate on either Bona or damo. If he was online, he might have made an effort to save Will, but alas he was gone after his vote.

[BunnyGo]

That’s a terrible story. At no point did you ever tell me why you think either of us is scum.

As I said, I don’t think you are scum. I said I’d be surprised, and if you were scum the story is how id imagine the interaction. Perhaps I’m misunderstanding; is paired specifically only for paired scum??? As I said, you are paired, but in my eyes you are paired town.

Ah…I’d missed that part of your story!

Why are you seeing us as town?