Mafia 88: Murder at the Meadery - GAME THREAD

[damo666]

If Ham is scum why didn't he claim scum?

Ham is scum and there is a plan to bus him to gain towncred.

If there was a plan to gain towncred by bussing him, having him claim scum would remove a lot of that towncred. Scum voting an outed team-mate whose death is inevitable don't score townpoints for doing so.

I meant claim Roleblock lol

[damo666]

Cop eh dayum as they say in Boston Canada.

My scum are Vecna, Damo, and I’m coming around on LoW

I’m good with a Vecna death and it’s not omgus

Why make this post "crumb"?

Was HamB so frustrated getting scum he planned to at least draw out a CC?

This was late and DENIES being cop. How is it trying to draw a CC?

Last sentence above should be outside quote (phone)

[damo666]

1 and 3 have already been sufficiently and efficiently answered.

Wrt 2 how many days do you expect the Clerk to risk not revealing and becoming a NK and town learning nothing from the valuable scans (absence of GF means town implies town)?

I think Day 4 not unreasonable so clerk assuming they survive until tomorrow can tell us (including the unlikely case of Ham himself).

Yes, clerk has to reveal themselves to do this but they have to at some stage else they become essentially a dead vt (barring any strong reads they've left but it's not so concrete).

Why was HamB not RBd?

Perhaps he was and didn't claim it (doubtful).

Somebody else living was and hasn't claimed (doubtful).

They RBd ghug (pointless presumably not).

They held it to sow confusion.

If Ham is scum why didn't he claim scum?

Ham is scum and there is a plan to bus him to gain towncred.

Perhaps the scumteam is Ham LoW worcej.

I meant 'claim Roleblock'

[damo666]

If Ham and LoW are both town we are in trouble.

@damo why did you vote bozo and not Lord?

I have explained my EOD2 voting previously.

[damo666]

@everyone please DO NOT discuss Ham until he posts

We do not want to suggest anything to him

Fair. Probably too late but yeah I will refrain.

Thoughts on Bozo's voting?

Explanation for why you decided to vote Bozo EoD?

Bozo was clearly just spinning through potential Will bussers. A bit pointless and lazy.

I switched from bozo to Ham with 3 minutes to go (to see who might move where) but after 2 minutes nobody else had moved so I switched to bozo to see if he would switch to LoW.

It's curious neither LoW or bozo voted for each other.

I suspect they are both scum. If they are both scum then I think the third man is either Vecna, Balki, Bona or worcej in that order with the first 2 much more likely than the last 2.

@Bunny this is it

[Jamiet99uk]

If Ham is scum why didn't he claim scum?

Ham is scum and there is a plan to bus him to gain towncred.

If there was a plan to gain towncred by bussing him, having him claim scum would remove a lot of that towncred. Scum voting an outed team-mate whose death is inevitable don't score townpoints for doing so.

I meant claim Roleblock lol

Okay, thanks for clarifying your error.

[damo666]

What makes you think that foodcoats was a likely miskill target?

That is my sense of his position in the thread based on things folks (including me) were saying about him both Day 1 and Day 2. I could be biased by my own impression of his alignment at that time, but I thought he was a slot that would probably be daykilled at some point, and he did not have a favorable Day 1 vote to take him out of (or drop him lower in) the POE.

Do you disagree?

Last post for the night. No, I don't disagree. Just trying to get more explanation here.

I wasn't really paying attention to this kind of stuff at that time (beginning of Day 2): I was mostly just thinking about how it all affected me and my chances for survival (instead of looking for the bigger picture). I did go back and check out some things. It looks like foodcoats wasn't really under heavy voting pressure on Day 1, but there were multiple people expressing suspicion of him early on Day 2.

I actually think it is intriguing, though, to look at damo's own comments:

I should have stung one of my voters, they were virtually guaranteed to not be beekeeper

I read this as a confession.

Why did you make this choice?

his vote pattern

foodcoats did a lot of voting on Day 1:

Bon -> kin -> Lor -> Bon -> Bal -> Spa -> Bon -> Spa

[I just realized that our abbreviations are also those for provinces, but we aren't adjacent.]

Presumably, it wasn't the votes of me that bothered damo:

Better redeem myself

##vote spartaculous

So which vote(s) bothered him?

He was voting all the wagons in contention with Will (except me which in hindsight is significant).

I must say that as well as the vote pattern I also talk others opinions into consideration, particularly Bona who I was strongly townreading following D1 outcome.

[damo666]

So we currently have 5 people voting Ham. There must be at least one scum if not more. My order of scumminess (S=>T) is: {LoW, Vecna,worcej, Bunny/Bona}

[damo666]

Playing poker tonight so pretty unlikely to be online at EOD.

I also won't be posting or catching up much, if at all, during last 4 hours of the day.

DO NOT KILL Ham.

DO NOT tie.

To avoid either kill any of the Ham voters or Bozo, whoever looks most likely to be top wagon.

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

Bozo wagon > LoW wagon > Ham wagon (>Sweet wagon)
Bozo wagon isn't going anywhere so I will:
##VOTE LORDOFWORDS

[Jamiet99uk]

Worcej and Vecna have just dropped off the face of the Earth.

[BunnyGo]

Playing poker tonight so pretty unlikely to be online at EOD.

I also won't be posting or catching up much, if at all, during last 4 hours of the day.

DO NOT KILL Ham.

DO NOT tie.

To avoid either kill any of the Ham voters or Bozo, whoever looks most likely to be top wagon.

@damo, I need you to engage with me on a few scenarios and tell me what you’re thinking.


Scenario 1: HamBone is the cop.

Holy hell! Scum didn’t roleblock the cop who everyone said was softing cop!! Why not?!

Also, if HamBone is cop, then he scanned me night 1. Why was his first post softing that he suspected me?!


Scenario 2: HamBone is VT.

Holy Hell! Scum didn’t roleblock the townie who everyone said was softing cop!! Why not?!

Scenario 3: HamBone is Scum.

We know from experience that mech play isn’t his strongest skill (no offense HamBone). I could easily see this slipping past and the scum team reading ghug as having “CCd”


So….whats your take on those?

[damo666]

Playing poker tonight so pretty unlikely to be online at EOD.

I also won't be posting or catching up much, if at all, during last 4 hours of the day.

DO NOT KILL Ham.

DO NOT tie.

To avoid either kill any of the Ham voters or Bozo, whoever looks most likely to be top wagon.

@damo, I need you to engage with me on a few scenarios and tell me what you’re thinking.


Scenario 1: HamBone is the cop.

Holy hell! Scum didn’t roleblock the cop who everyone said was softing cop!! Why not?!

Also, if HamBone is cop, then he scanned me night 1. Why was his first post softing that he suspected me?!


Scenario 2: HamBone is VT.

Holy Hell! Scum didn’t roleblock the townie who everyone said was softing cop!! Why not?!

Scenario 3: HamBone is Scum.

We know from experience that mech play isn’t his strongest skill (no offense HamBone). I could easily see this slipping past and the scum team reading ghug as having “CCd”


So….whats your take on those?

1. Unlikely
2. Scum withheld the RB to confuse, weakscum unnecessarily RBd their NK, Ham was RBd but for some reason hasn't told us (I doubt that last one)
3. If Ham were scum surely the scumteam would have agreed he claim Roleblock

[Chaqa]

GM Note:
I am looking into what we can do to fix the bot with respect to D&W's posts/votes.

In the meantime, you can find all of his posts using a link such as this:

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?user=Diplomacy%26amp%3BWarfare

Searching with user as "Diplomacy&Warfare" does the trick too for other searches.

[BunnyGo]

GM Note:
I am looking into what we can do to fix the bot with respect to D&W's posts/votes.

In the meantime, you can find all of his posts using a link such as this:

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?user=Diplomacy%26amp%3BWarfare

Searching with user as "Diplomacy&Warfare" does the trick too for other searches.

Let’s just kill him.

[BunnyGo]

Playing poker tonight so pretty unlikely to be online at EOD.

I also won't be posting or catching up much, if at all, during last 4 hours of the day.

DO NOT KILL Ham.

DO NOT tie.

To avoid either kill any of the Ham voters or Bozo, whoever looks most likely to be top wagon.

@damo, I need you to engage with me on a few scenarios and tell me what you’re thinking.


Scenario 1: HamBone is the cop.

Holy hell! Scum didn’t roleblock the cop who everyone said was softing cop!! Why not?!

Also, if HamBone is cop, then he scanned me night 1. Why was his first post softing that he suspected me?!


Scenario 2: HamBone is VT.

Holy Hell! Scum didn’t roleblock the townie who everyone said was softing cop!! Why not?!

Scenario 3: HamBone is Scum.

We know from experience that mech play isn’t his strongest skill (no offense HamBone). I could easily see this slipping past and the scum team reading ghug as having “CCd”


So….whats your take on those?

1. Unlikely
2. Scum withheld the RB to confuse, weakscum unnecessarily RBd their NK, Ham was RBd but for some reason hasn't told us (I doubt that last one)
3. If Ham were scum surely the scumteam would have agreed he claim Roleblock

I think you’re wrong.

But let’s continue.


You seem to strongly believe we’re in scenario 2. What can we conclude about the scum team? Include the fact that ghug (and probably Jamie) were RBd night 1.

[Spartaculous]

My preferences today at LoW, Bozo, Damo, or Hamilton.

Ah, then why don't we consolidate on LoW? That would make damo and I happy.

##VOTE LordWord

I'm also pointing out this scummy post for the class. How does Sweet know would make Damo happy so well?

Because damo had previously voted for you a few hours earlier:

At this point, I'm a vote on Ham or Sweet.

##vote Lord

If you're trying to insinuate that sweetandcool and damo are Mafia teammates, this is really weak evidence.

[Spartaculous]

GM Note:
I am looking into what we can do to fix the bot with respect to D&W's posts/votes.

In the meantime, you can find all of his posts using a link such as this:

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?user=Diplomacy%26amp%3BWarfare

Searching with user as "Diplomacy&Warfare" does the trick too for other searches.

Let’s just kill him.

I say the easiest solution is that we just rename him. How does "rdrivera2006" sound?

[damo666]

@damo, I need you to engage with me on a few scenarios and tell me what you’re thinking.


Scenario 1: HamBone is the cop.

Holy hell! Scum didn’t roleblock the cop who everyone said was softing cop!! Why not?!

Also, if HamBone is cop, then he scanned me night 1. Why was his first post softing that he suspected me?!


Scenario 2: HamBone is VT.

Holy Hell! Scum didn’t roleblock the townie who everyone said was softing cop!! Why not?!

Scenario 3: HamBone is Scum.

We know from experience that mech play isn’t his strongest skill (no offense HamBone). I could easily see this slipping past and the scum team reading ghug as having “CCd”


So….whats your take on those?

1. Unlikely
2. Scum withheld the RB to confuse, weakscum unnecessarily RBd their NK, Ham was RBd but for some reason hasn't told us (I doubt that last one)
3. If Ham were scum surely the scumteam would have agreed he claim Roleblock

I think you’re wrong.

But let’s continue.


You seem to strongly believe we’re in scenario 2. What can we conclude about the scum team? Include the fact that ghug (and probably Jamie) were RBd night 1.

Most plausible scenario

brain RBd Jamie N1
scum RBd ghug N1

N2 scum stupidly RBd gugh again despite the fact they were NKing him or withheld to confuse. Assuming the latter they could have motive whether Ham is town or scum however if Ham were scum surely the easier course would be to have Ham claim RB.

Scum are either devious or weak.

[Spartaculous]

I have a busy day today, but I will try to carve out time at EoD to check in.

My only priority at that time will be to avoid a miskill of Ham. Myself and others have laid out plenty of evidence for why we need to do this.