Mafia 88: Murder at the Meadery - GAME THREAD

[bozotheclown]

Wow, I can't even figure out why I particularly asked Will that. I'm guessing it was because Vecna and Jamiet were online?

I know for a decent portion of D1 I was suffering paranoia about ghug and Jamiet being teammates. Probably had something to do with them both voting me in an insufferable manner (sidenote, imagine my disappointment when they both claimed RB).

But yeah, drawing a total blank here. I don't recall ever towning Jamiet D1, but you are correct that that post was indicating it.

Best guess is I was buttering Will up an just trying to get some thoughts out of him.

I suspect there was a scum related reason for this interaction.

If it's only because I can't remember you'll have to find a better reason.

If I was Mafia I simply could have lied to you.

Maybe you did by saying you did not remember.

[sweetandcool]

I suspect there was a scum related reason for this interaction.

If it's only because I can't remember you'll have to find a better reason.

If I was Mafia I simply could have lied to you.

Maybe you did by saying you did not remember.

History suggests I like answering questions honestly as either alignment.

[bozotheclown]

Honestly the answer is that I had it in my head that there were 16 players not 18. I then multiplied by 2 to vaguely disguise my intention to use Will as RNG. I chose Will because he was online and active in thread.

Given that there was no prechat, it's hard to believe scum sweetandcool somehow coordinated with scum Will to fabricate a vote on Balki.

Conclusion:

1. NAI sweetandcool did an RNG bit.
2. Scum sweetandcool wanted an interaction with Will either as buddying or pretend buddying.
3. Any alignment sweetandcool did not fabricate a vote on Balki because that is ludicrously implausible.

I can certify that at least two of those conclusions are correct.

I was not implying that I thought sweetandcool and Just were coordinating something, which obviously would not make sense. I thought it was unusual that sweetandcool assumed that was what I was implying and defended it.

Dude, regardless of your alignment I don't know why you keep making weird mistakes.

Your first posts you literally speculated about Will and I bussing just like previous games.

It was only logical to assume you had that in mind while asking me about my RNG bit that happened to involve Will.

Will, please pick a number between 1-32.

Are you mafia with Just again?

I looked at your M86 D1 interaction with Just after he started bussing you a number of times, and always concluded it was unlikely to be S/S, so nice job protecting Just in that game.

I didn't speculate you were bussing because you had not expressed any suspicion of each other yet. I asked if you were mafia together mostly as a joke because of your ability to generate random interactions with your teammates when you are mafia.

[bozotheclown]

If it's only because I can't remember you'll have to find a better reason.

If I was Mafia I simply could have lied to you.

Maybe you did by saying you did not remember.

History suggests I like answering questions honestly as either alignment.

Then maybe you don't remember and are still mafia.

[Jamiet99uk]

You think that all of that argument between Bona and Sweet on D1 was a dramatic production of scum theatre?

You really think that, Bozo? They were yelling at each other for a good long time.

Edit: It started on D1 but in fact most of their fight was during D2, I just looked back.

I thought you might have been talking about Just and Bonatogether from D1, but apparently not. Obviously my mafia theory involves a lot of bussing.

So just to be clear, obviously it is your actual theory that Bona and Sweet's long-running series of heated arguments, in this game, is scum vs scum theatre, a little show they are putting on to fool us? That is your actual theory.

I would be impressed if that is true, Bozo, I really would.

[bozotheclown]

I could maybe flip Bozo.

Strongly prefer LoW or Vecna, but I could see Bozo being the third teammate. Would increase the chances LoW is Mafia if Bozo flips Mafia.

LoW and Vecna are your top scum reads? Why not Bonatogether or Jamie? They voted for you D2 as well.

Why would I be anybody's top scumread?

I don't think I have seen Just obviously pocket someone as mafia like it appears he was doing with you D1, I think he would be more likely to do it to a mafia teammate knowing it would look like pocketing.

Your certainty during D1 that there was exact one mafia between Just and Bonatogether does not make sense to me.

sweetandcool had conflicting reads about you D1, which could be an indication he was distancing.

Your low level suspicion of sweetandcool D2 looks like possible bussing, as well as sweetandcool ignoring your vote while reacting to LoW and Vecna voting for him.

Your decision to vote for Bonatogether D1 EOD instead of one of the top 3 wagon was unusual, as brainbomb pointed out at the time.

[bozotheclown]

Edit: It started on D1 but in fact most of their fight was during D2, I just looked back.

I thought you might have been talking about Just and Bonatogether from D1, but apparently not. Obviously my mafia theory involves a lot of bussing.

So just to be clear, obviously it is your actual theory that Bona and Sweet's long-running series of heated arguments, in this game, is scum vs scum theatre, a little show they are putting on to fool us? That is your actual theory.

I would be impressed if that is true, Bozo, I really would.

I would not characterize their interaction that way, and sweetandcool has been town reading Bonatogether.

[bozotheclown]

Okay. Suppose LoW is scum.

Who would you suspect?

If we flip LoW today, and he is Town, that will shake my reads quite a bit. For starters, I would think your odds of being Town are dramatically improved.

I don't know off hand, you could ask that about any player I think is probably town, but I don't have time to look at all those possibilities.

Fair. Well just remember it's a path to getting me to potentially Town you.

You already town read me, though:

Conclusions so far:

Town:

Bozo
Bona
sweetandcool
Jamiet

I feel good at least with the Bozo read because I independently Town read them.

The other two I'm just going to have to accept as town until we run out of suspects.

[Jamiet99uk]

LoW and Vecna are your top scum reads? Why not Bonatogether or Jamie? They voted for you D2 as well.

Why would I be anybody's top scumread?

I don't think I have seen Just obviously pocket someone as mafia like it appears he was doing with you D1, I think he would be more likely to do it to a mafia teammate knowing it would look like pocketing.

Your certainty during D1 that there was exact one mafia between Just and Bonatogether does not make sense to me.

sweetandcool had conflicting reads about you D1, which could be an indication he was distancing.

Your low level suspicion of sweetandcool D2 looks like possible bussing, as well as sweetandcool ignoring your vote while reacting to LoW and Vecna voting for him.

Your decision to vote for Bonatogether D1 EOD instead of one of the top 3 wagon was unusual, as brainbomb pointed out at the time.

Bona was one of the top wagons at EoD1, Bozo. Go and check.

Your certainty that Bona vs Sweet was pure scum theatre does not make sense to me.

The rest of your argument here is entirely based on your suspicion that Sweetandcool is Mafia. You are making this assumption and then finding connections based on the assumption you have made.

[Balki Bartokomous]

^ I agree with Jamiet.

[Jamiet99uk]

At this point, bozo votes for Bona, Bunny, and worcej in very quick succession, none of which are getting any other votes.

@Bozo:

Why did you do that?

##VOTE Bonatogether

##VOTE BunnyGo

##VOTE worcej

I think at least one of these bussed D1.

I was documenting this in case I ended up being the DK.

##Vote Bozo, but why did you feel the need to do this by voting, instead of just, you know, saying it? If you think it is necessary to vote for someone, ##Vote Bozo, every time you want your points to be noticed, I think that is a bit silly.

[Jamiet99uk]

^ I agree with Jamiet.

Be careful, ##Vote Balki, ##Vote Bozotheclown will accuse you of pocketing me in a minute.

[Jamiet99uk]

You could just have made a post like this:

If I am DKed, please note that I think at least one of Bonatogether, BunnyGo, and Worcej bussed JustAChapCalledWill on D1.

Please take note of this, as I, Bozo, Robot Detective, King of the Circus, consider it to be important.

This would have made your point without putting weird markers down in the vote history.

[Balki Bartokomous]

To be clear, I don't really agree with a point about vote tagging and creating weird vote tracker data. Doesn't really seem like a #scumpiracy to me.

[Jamiet99uk]

To be clear, I don't really agree with a point about vote tagging and creating weird vote tracker data. Doesn't really seem like a #scumpiracy to me.

It's not necessarily scummy, but it is unnecessary.

[Jamiet99uk]

Balki, who is your avatar?

It is not Bronson Pinchot.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Balki, who is your avatar?

It is not Bronson Pinchot.

[Jamiet99uk]

Ah, yes, Ted Lassoo. I've heard it's good.

[BunnyGo]

To be clear, I don't really agree with a point about vote tagging and creating weird vote tracker data. Doesn't really seem like a #scumpiracy to me.

It's not necessarily scummy, but it is unnecessary.

I recall him doing it in at least one previous game. I don’t recall the game and don’t have time to dig for it.

@bozo: can you find it?

[Spartaculous]

To be clear, I don't really agree with a point about vote tagging and creating weird vote tracker data. Doesn't really seem like a #scumpiracy to me.

It's not necessarily scummy, but it is unnecessary.

I recall him doing it in at least one previous game. I don’t recall the game and don’t have time to dig for it.

@bozo: can you find it?

He's done it a couple of times recently, but early on Day 1, not at EoD. Both times he was town.