Mafia 88: Murder at the Meadery - GAME THREAD

[sweetandcool]

Since Ham is here, I'm going to ask that if there was fair amount of belief that Ham was a cop ... why is he still alive?

Seems he would be a prime scum target. Explain this to me.

Before his explanation, he did an awesome acting job seeming panicked and BS claiming at the end of day.

Now that he has had a chance to explain himself, it is extremely convincing that he is Town, and possibly actually the PR.

But let me stress, that at end of day, it seemed like total crap that he was Cop. So naturally Mafia did not NK him, expecting us to do their job for them.

[bozotheclown]

Timeline:

Ham crumbs that he is a Clerk on D1. Presumably it wasn't noticed by anybody, but damo found it since Ham told us about it and it clearly spells out "CLERK".

End of day 2 Ham hamfistedly soft claims Clerk in the most unbelievable way possible.

Unsurprisingly, Mafia didn't believe his claim and NK ghug.

Now Ham has renounced his claim, saying he setup the claim D1 as a way to eat the NK at some point.
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Now what we should do about this is quite obvious:

Case 1: Ham is Town, possibly actually a great actor and actually the Clerk (I believe this).

Then we should not DK him. Force Mafia to either NK him, focus their role blocks on him, or even ignore him, which would be awesome if he is actually the Clerk.

Case 2: Ham is Mafia.

If we incorrectly do the best play, assuming Case 1, then worst case our Clerk will catch him. Though it is likely we would eventually catch him. Certainly he wouldn't be allowed to make it to final 3.

TLDR Ham should not be up for the vote today.

Why would the real cop waste a scan on Hamilton?

You seem awfully eager to push an MK.

I don't know why you are so sure Hamilton would be a mis-kill.

[Lord of Words]

I don't think I buy that from you and you and Damo seem to be going out of your way to clean up his plays.

[sweetandcool]

I don't think I buy that from you and you and Damo seem to be going out of your way to clean up his plays.

Aw shucks, you caught us and solved the game.

[Lord of Words]

I don't think I buy that from you and you and Damo seem to be going out of your way to clean up his plays.

Aw shucks, you caught us and solved the game.

Not yet.

[Balki Bartokomous]

##vote Vecna

[Balki Bartokomous]

I think that the more curious thing about the Hamilton situation is that he was not role blocked last night. I don't believe we've had a RB claim today, have we?

[sweetandcool]

I think that the more curious thing about the Hamilton situation is that he was not role blocked last night. I don't believe we've had a RB claim today, have we?

I was just wondering about that.

I'm guessing Mafia just RB the NK.

They probably don't want to create anymore pseudo clears.

Obviously nobody would have believed Ham based on EoD2, so it is unsurprising they didn't even bother RBing him.

Or who knows, maybe I've got it all wrong and he is Mafia (insert shrug emoji)

[sweetandcool]

I think that the more curious thing about the Hamilton situation is that he was not role blocked last night. I don't believe we've had a RB claim today, have we?

I was just wondering about that.

I'm guessing Mafia just RB the NK.

They probably don't want to create anymore pseudo clears.

Obviously nobody would have believed Ham based on EoD2, so it is unsurprising they didn't even bother RBing him.

Or who knows, maybe I've got it all wrong and he is Mafia (insert shrug emoji)

Actually that is silly. We don't have a Doctor. So they either holster or RB the Clerk.

Hmmm, actually why not RB Ham? Nobody would believe them anyway.

[sweetandcool]

Hmmm, actually if we flip Vecna then I'm not sure how much info we will get. If we flip LoW then I think that majorly improves the chances of Bozo being Mafia.

##VOTE Lord

Obviously willing to flip back. As long as we have a consolidated wagon on one of these guys by EoD.

Going to reread Vecna in the lens of Mafia and see if I can deduce anything. Likewise with LoW.

Doubt I will have time to do the same treatment with Bozo, but that would next be on the list.

Helpful meta analysis would be seeing Bozo's EoD voting patterns and what affect alignment and pressure has on him. And how frequently in the past Ham has crumbed fake or real.

I'll try to sprinkle that in. Though maybe someone else can ease my burden by conducting the meta analysis (hint hint, Sparta).

[worcej]

I think this is enough from me for now.

I don't want to be a further distraction. Get into the VCA, especially D2. It's shitty for a couple players.

There are some players I am surprised with right now.

Again, sacrificing me as today's DK does mafia's work for them. Don't do it.

Whatever. Booze is involved for me right now as I watch the Roast of Tom Brady, but you’re either scum or just a noob PR. Don’t fucking crumb - we don’t need that shit.

##vote Vecna

Let’s actually flip a worthless person.

[worcej]

I think that the more curious thing about the Hamilton situation is that he was not role blocked last night. I don't believe we've had a RB claim today, have we?

Don’t worry, I am sure HB was RB’ed and just isn’t going to tell us the explicit truth like he did at EOD2

[worcej]

Bees police the cleanliness of their hives through routines and behaviour. They are a fascinating creature.

Anyway, I think my commute home will get in the way of my voting, and I won't pull off into a gas station to post.

D1 being what it is, if I add my vote to a town role, I apologize in advance. There's no one I'totally sold on, so today is for data collection purposes.

##Vote damo

BAD cop?

Yes

[worcej]

FWIW, I think HB would crumb all that stuff as scum because he notoriously sucks as scum and needs something to try to possibly live longer after he fucks it up.

[worcej]

I like bozo’s D3 so far. I feel better that he’s town just doing his normal shit.

[sweetandcool]

I think this is enough from me for now.

I don't want to be a further distraction. Get into the VCA, especially D2. It's shitty for a couple players.

There are some players I am surprised with right now.

Again, sacrificing me as today's DK does mafia's work for them. Don't do it.

Whatever. Booze is involved for me right now as I watch the Roast of Tom Brady, but you’re either scum or just a noob PR. Don’t fucking crumb - we don’t need that shit.

##vote Vecna

Let’s actually flip a worthless person.

Welcome to the thread, drunk worcej.

May I ask, are you saying you are against crumbing in general? Or just Ham doing it? Or just in combination with an awful PR claim?

[Spartaculous]

Helpful meta analysis would be seeing Bozo's EoD voting patterns and what affect alignment and pressure has on him. And how frequently in the past Ham has crumbed fake or real.

I'll try to sprinkle that in. Though maybe someone else can ease my burden by conducting the meta analysis (hint hint, Sparta).

Let me see if I understand the assignment.

At 29 minutes to go, the wagons stand at:
4 LoW
4 Vecna
3 sweetandcool
2 Ham
1 rdrivera
1 bozo (voted by rdrivera)

bozo then switches to Ham, which is followed by the two other Ham voters going to bozo, leaving us with:
4 LoW
4 Vecna
3 sweetandcool
3 bozo
1 rdrivera, 1 Ham

At this point, bozo votes for Bona, Bunny, and worcej in very quick succession, none of which are getting any other votes. And then bozo just stays put on worcej (other than the missed-by-three-seconds LoW vote).

So, I'm looking for instances where bozo did this kind of quick vote switching at EoD?

[sweetandcool]

Helpful meta analysis would be seeing Bozo's EoD voting patterns and what affect alignment and pressure has on him. And how frequently in the past Ham has crumbed fake or real.

I'll try to sprinkle that in. Though maybe someone else can ease my burden by conducting the meta analysis (hint hint, Sparta).

Let me see if I understand the assignment.

At 29 minutes to go, the wagons stand at:
4 LoW
4 Vecna
3 sweetandcool
2 Ham
1 rdrivera
1 bozo (voted by rdrivera)

bozo then switches to Ham, which is followed by the two other Ham voters going to bozo, leaving us with:
4 LoW
4 Vecna
3 sweetandcool
3 bozo
1 rdrivera, 1 Ham

At this point, bozo votes for Bona, Bunny, and worcej in very quick succession, none of which are getting any other votes. And then bozo just stays put on worcej (other than the missed-by-three-seconds LoW vote).

So, I'm looking for instances where bozo did this kind of quick vote switching at EoD?

I would ignore the quick switching and focus on how often he stays off the major wagons and votes one of them at the very last second.

[worcej]

I think this is enough from me for now.

I don't want to be a further distraction. Get into the VCA, especially D2. It's shitty for a couple players.

There are some players I am surprised with right now.

Again, sacrificing me as today's DK does mafia's work for them. Don't do it.

Whatever. Booze is involved for me right now as I watch the Roast of Tom Brady, but you’re either scum or just a noob PR. Don’t fucking crumb - we don’t need that shit.

##vote Vecna

Let’s actually flip a worthless person.

Welcome to the thread, drunk worcej.

May I ask, are you saying you are against crumbing in general? Or just Ham doing it? Or just in combination with an awful PR claim?

I think crumbing a role is stupid and is more scum indicative.

I think crumbing scans is actually the smart play.

[worcej]

I always will crumb scans or at least make it really obvious who I would scan.

But I also cave under pressure usually if I am concerned I will not be around for a phase, but when I cave I would *immediately* spell out my explicit actions.

I think HB is scum but ya’ll will let him slip until it’s too damn late to flip him. I’ve yelled this multiple times but no one give a shit to pay attention, so yolo let’s kill Vecna