Mafia 88: Murder at the Meadery - GAME THREAD

[bozotheclown]

WHAT?

What?

He made a shitty cop claim and then repeatedly refused to reveal his scans.

You loudly and repeately called him fake-claiming scum.

Has something changed? If so, I missed it. Help me out.

A blatant day one crumb.

Didn't Hamilton retract his cop claim, though?

[Jamiet99uk]

Quick, this must be proof Jamiet is scum. Town would never make that mistake.

Of course! And he made the same mistake again here!

Fine... but I am waiting for the evidence of Ghug, BunnyGo, Worcej and Damo.

##vote jamie

Excuse me?

Prove I am scum and I will suck from limp. Get your vote away from me.

[bozotheclown]

during day 1

Why do you see him doing that as a VT?

Now now, no PR hunting.

How is that PR hunting?

[damo666]

What does "doing this as D1" mean?

during day 1

Why do you see him doing that as a VT?

Ofc he could be Clerk trying to avoid a nk and get off another scan but if were clerk he'd reveal his scans at this stage.

[Jamiet99uk]

Dear Pirate King:

I am not scum; learn to read the game.

I will gladiate you if I need to, you little shit.

Sincerely,

Jamie

[Jamiet99uk]

during day 1

Why do you see him doing that as a VT?

Ofc he could be Clerk trying to avoid a nk and get off another scan but if were clerk he'd reveal his scans at this stage.

Maybe you could answer me.

I need to go to bed now, so I'll return in 10 hours and see if you did.

[sweetandcool]

Dear Pirate King:

I am not scum; learn to read the game.

I will gladiate you if I need to, you little shit.

Sincerely,

Jamie

Jamiet, grow some skin. Disgusting behavior towards a new player.

I'm pretty sure we were both joking. And even if we weren't this is inappropriate behavior.

[damo666]

What?

He made a shitty cop claim and then repeatedly refused to reveal his scans.

You loudly and repeately called him fake-claiming scum.

Has something changed? If so, I missed it. Help me out.

A blatant day one crumb.

Why didn't you believe that before?

Why have you made a 100% u-turn?

I didn't see the crumb until after he revealed it. I don't think anyone else did either.

[bozotheclown]

during day 1

Why do you see him doing that as a VT?

Ofc he could be Clerk trying to avoid a nk and get off another scan but if were clerk he'd reveal his scans at this stage.

Or he could be mafia still trying to out the real cop.

[kingofthepirates]

Is ham claiming cop or not?

the absence of a counter claim is itself quite strange, and I'm curious if anyone can produce reasoning for that?

Excuse me?

Prove I am scum and I will suck from limp. Get your vote away from me.

Chill, it's a joke, since before people were previously giving LoW flak for a similar thing.

##unvote

[Spartaculous]

I'd like to take a look at the ghug kill, something that I don't see much discussion about. There are 2 reasons I see mafia killing ghug, 1 is that following the roleblock, they suspected a cop, and the second being that ghug scum read probably multiple mafia members. I don't think option one gives us any leads, so I'm going to be going back through ghug's posts and reads, see if anything from option 2 sticks out.

I want to propose option 3, which is similar to your option 1. This is simply eliminating someone who is not a potential miskill anytime soon. Here are the lists of everyone's top three Mafia predictions from the end of day 2 (a couple of people didn't do exactly 3):

Vecna: Hamilton sweetandcool worcej
ghug: bozo Hamilton rdrivera
bozo: Bonatogether rdrivera worcej
sweetandcool: Vecna rdrivera LoW
Jamie: LoW bozo damo/rdrivera/sweetandcool
Spartaculous: rdrivera LoW Bonatogether
Hamilton: Vecna damo LoW
LoW: sweetandcool Jamie BunnyGo
damo666: LoW Vecna Bozo
BunnyGo: Sparta and bozo.

And the resulting counts:
rdrivera: 5
LoW: 5
Bozo: 4
Vecna: 3
sweetandcool: 3
Bona: 2
Ham: 2
damo: 2
worcej: 2
BunnyGo: 1
Jamie: 1
Sparty: 1
Balki: 0
ghug: 0
kotp: 0

No one was suspecting ghug.

[bozotheclown]

Is ham claiming cop or not?

the absence of a counter claim is itself quite strange, and I'm curious if anyone can produce reasoning for that?

Excuse me?

Prove I am scum and I will suck from limp. Get your vote away from me.

Chill, it's a joke, since before people were previously giving LoW flak for a similar thing.

##unvote

If Hamilton is mafia, he is trying to make the real cop reveal, but the real cop does not need to reveal themselves yet.

[damo666]

What?

He made a shitty cop claim and then repeatedly refused to reveal his scans.

You loudly and repeately called him fake-claiming scum.

Has something changed? If so, I missed it. Help me out.

A blatant day one crumb.

Didn't Hamilton retract his cop claim, though?

yes but the day one crumb is undeniable so either

a) Ham is CLERK in which case he should reveal his scans before he gets NKd N3

b) Ham is VT and prepared this to eat a NK if a) scum spotted it b) he was in danger and could point to it

c) Ham is scum and craftily prepared this to avoid an early DK and sniff out the real clerk.

I dismiss a) and think b) closer to Ham mo and charcter than c).

c) is a bit high risk.

Conclusion Ham is VT.

[damo666]

Why do you see him doing that as a VT?

Ofc he could be Clerk trying to avoid a nk and get off another scan but if were clerk he'd reveal his scans at this stage.

Or he could be mafia still trying to out the real cop.

He prepared for 1 for 1 sacrifice on day 1? Improbable.

[sweetandcool]

A blatant day one crumb.

Didn't Hamilton retract his cop claim, though?

yes but the day one crumb is undeniable so either

a) Ham is CLERK in which case he should reveal his scans before he gets NKd N3

b) Ham is VT and prepared this to eat a NK if a) scum spotted it b) he was in danger and could point to it

c) Ham is scum and craftily prepared this to avoid an early DK and sniff out the real clerk.

I dismiss a) and think b) closer to Ham mo and charcter than c).

c) is a bit high risk.

Conclusion Ham is VT.

Furthermore, if Ham is Town, which I now believe, then not DKing him is brilliant. Then Mafia either run the risk that Ham is really the Clerk, or they "waste" the NK on him, when they would really rather that we do there work for them.

[damo666]

I'd like to take a look at the ghug kill, something that I don't see much discussion about. There are 2 reasons I see mafia killing ghug, 1 is that following the roleblock, they suspected a cop, and the second being that ghug scum read probably multiple mafia members. I don't think option one gives us any leads, so I'm going to be going back through ghug's posts and reads, see if anything from option 2 sticks out.

I want to propose option 3, which is similar to your option 1. This is simply eliminating someone who is not a potential miskill anytime soon. Here are the lists of everyone's top three Mafia predictions from the end of day 2 (a couple of people didn't do exactly 3):

Vecna: Hamilton sweetandcool worcej
ghug: bozo Hamilton rdrivera
bozo: Bonatogether rdrivera worcej
sweetandcool: Vecna rdrivera LoW
Jamie: LoW bozo damo/rdrivera/sweetandcool
Spartaculous: rdrivera LoW Bonatogether
Hamilton: Vecna damo LoW
LoW: sweetandcool Jamie BunnyGo
damo666: LoW Vecna Bozo
BunnyGo: Sparta and bozo.

And the resulting counts:
rdrivera: 5
LoW: 5
Bozo: 4
Vecna: 3
sweetandcool: 3
Bona: 2
Ham: 2
damo: 2
worcej: 2
BunnyGo: 1
Jamie: 1
Sparty: 1
Balki: 0
ghug: 0
kotp: 0

No one was suspecting ghug.

Yes, coupled with ghug is often an early fearkill.

[bozotheclown]

A blatant day one crumb.

Didn't Hamilton retract his cop claim, though?

yes but the day one crumb is undeniable so either

a) Ham is CLERK in which case he should reveal his scans before he gets NKd N3

b) Ham is VT and prepared this to eat a NK if a) scum spotted it b) he was in danger and could point to it

c) Ham is scum and craftily prepared this to avoid an early DK and sniff out the real clerk.

I dismiss a) and think b) closer to Ham mo and charcter than c).

c) is a bit high risk.

Conclusion Ham is VT.

Him soft claiming cop to avoid the D2 DK looks a lot more scum motivated, though.

[damo666]

Didn't Hamilton retract his cop claim, though?

yes but the day one crumb is undeniable so either

a) Ham is CLERK in which case he should reveal his scans before he gets NKd N3

b) Ham is VT and prepared this to eat a NK if a) scum spotted it b) he was in danger and could point to it

c) Ham is scum and craftily prepared this to avoid an early DK and sniff out the real clerk.

I dismiss a) and think b) closer to Ham mo and charcter than c).

c) is a bit high risk.

Conclusion Ham is VT.

Furthermore, if Ham is Town, which I now believe, then not DKing him is brilliant. Then Mafia either run the risk that Ham is really the Clerk, or they "waste" the NK on him, when they would really rather that we do there work for them.

EXACTLY

[damo666]

Didn't Hamilton retract his cop claim, though?

yes but the day one crumb is undeniable so either

a) Ham is CLERK in which case he should reveal his scans before he gets NKd N3

b) Ham is VT and prepared this to eat a NK if a) scum spotted it b) he was in danger and could point to it

c) Ham is scum and craftily prepared this to avoid an early DK and sniff out the real clerk.

I dismiss a) and think b) closer to Ham mo and charcter than c).

c) is a bit high risk.

Conclusion Ham is VT.

Him soft claiming cop to avoid the D2 DK looks a lot more scum motivated, though.

Can we just agree Ham is off the table for today?

[sweetandcool]

Didn't Hamilton retract his cop claim, though?

yes but the day one crumb is undeniable so either

a) Ham is CLERK in which case he should reveal his scans before he gets NKd N3

b) Ham is VT and prepared this to eat a NK if a) scum spotted it b) he was in danger and could point to it

c) Ham is scum and craftily prepared this to avoid an early DK and sniff out the real clerk.

I dismiss a) and think b) closer to Ham mo and charcter than c).

c) is a bit high risk.

Conclusion Ham is VT.

Him soft claiming cop to avoid the D2 DK looks a lot more scum motivated, though.

If Ham is town we force Mafia to NK him.

If Ham is Mafia, worst case our Clerk scans him. Though I like to think we would catch him without that.