Mafia 88: Murder at the Meadery - GAME THREAD

[Jamiet99uk]

OK someone else...can anyone find a crumb by food? Reason to believe he was PR?

@worcej? A little help here?

I didn’t think food was a PR. Idk why damo scummed him and decided to hip fire the kill.

What would you have done if given BEES?

Call a shot and seek reactions. That's usually the better play.

[Vecna]

this game is wild.

Also, I probably have to completely 180 on bunny. that post at start of day is one of the more towny things ive seen this game.

[Jamiet99uk]

Okay, my assessment of this sordid affair:

1. Town has no reason to claim since it only invites angry retribution. New players are more likely to do this. Is damo really so remorseful that they would claim?

Scum points for damo.

2. Scum could and probably should stay silent. However, they have the option to try to earn town cred by claiming. Like such a bad play that they can't be scum.

Conclusion: while I can see town boneheadedly stinging Food, I think the choice to claim more likely to come from scum.

Maybe further analysis of D1 will change my mind or make me consider someone else to be a better candidate for the DK but that's where I currently am at.

terrible analysis

1. why would any town not place cards onto the table? this makes no sense.

2. you ignore this in your conclusion, which you make before you even typed this out. why?

nice hedge at the end

hmm...you may be right.

I think he is.

##Vote Sweetandcool

[Jamiet99uk]

The Will was something of a surprise, but it could provide a decent roadmap for us going forward given his reads.

I'm working from home the next few days, so my play should be uninterrupted.

Anchor post.

[Vecna]

RIP brain. Did he crumb somewhere?

I agreed with Bunny about foodcoats hard defending Will in the moment being scummy/TMIish, but given Will's flip I think that exchange looks both of them look pretty townie.

I was roleblocked. Chaqa has confirmed that I'd get this message from being jailed or Mafia RBed, which means we know at a minimum that Mafia didn't RB their kill and we should probably have another RB claim.

The way of how detailled this is described, I dont think this comes from scum at all.

[Vecna]

Lots of good looking analysis so far.

I look sufficiently good that I'm going to focus on productive analysis rather than wasteful defense.

I will however address the bussing theory that has naturally blossomed, but I'm only going to say this once:

Every game that Will and I have been teammates has involved massive bussing. So suspecting it occured yet again is only natural. However, if you look back at those previous occasions you will see that when I initiated bussing it was because I felt like Will looked so scummy that I absolutely could not resist voting him.

This game was quite different. My suspicion of Will was present and reasonable, but not strong. I feel that if I was Mafia that I would have been a lot more emphatic with my read on Will.

I am proud of my streak on reading Will correctly, I think only my first game with him did I get him wrong. Bona and I deserve credit for locking him away, but feel free not to locktown us too hastily.

I sort of wonder if theres a potential dynamic ongoing about people wanting to repeat Will's crazy gambit of bussing his entire team and still winning at the end of it. Or just for the memes return the favor here.

I dont think this is likely at all, but there has been some crazy gambits ongoing recently.

Looking at the wagon more realistically, id probably only see Rdrivera do something crazy like bus his godfather.

[BunnyGo]

Just want to say I am alive and will try to catch up on D2 tomorrow. But we are under a several flooding in my state and I might need to request a sub (probably won't be needed).

Just want to say I was happy with catching scum Just yesterday. Then I saw two PR dead in the bot and thought what the hell was happening. Then I read the Damo hipfired a PR. This is either a great scum play or a stupid town play. Either way I want to apologize to Balki (if he is town obviously).

Be safe. The pictures look awful.

When you can, can you explain why Balki obv town?

[BunnyGo]

The Will was something of a surprise, but it could provide a decent roadmap for us going forward given his reads.

I'm working from home the next few days, so my play should be uninterrupted.

Is this a Saga reference?

Can you now go answer my question to you from one of my first posts?

[Vecna]

Also just realized barrel maker was a PR and not flavour. That sucks.

Nice town slip.

All rather critical questions following eachother up, and then foodcoats gets a pass?

How come scum couldnt do this?

[BunnyGo]

Well, this is mighty convenient for me, in a way. Two of the three people who voted for me at the end of Day 1 are gone.

lame post

Ooh I disagree

Can you elaborate on your expectations for town!sparta vs scum!sparta?

[Vecna]

OK I'm basically caught up.

Since Ghug has claimed, I will too.

I was Roleblocked.

interesting

[BunnyGo]

In regards to the RB claims:

<snip>

It also means that whatever the scumteam is, they decided to RB outside of the NK. As far as I understand, this points to a mixture of less experienced players and more adventurous players.

I disagree

The existence of the jailor mitigates a bit of the townclear of the roleblock. Also there are several PRs to hit.


It just so happens that they missed all the PRs and killed the jailor.

[Vecna]

I think it quite likely at least 2 remaining scum (if not all 3) were off the Just wagon so that is a pool of 7 with Sparta Balki and food being the most suspicious.

Why do you think your and sparta's wagon never really took off?

There was no consolidation on any of the 3 wagons.

Was most scum bussing? Not interested in trying to save Will? Or just not present at EoD?

Whats your thoughts here.

[Vecna]

Purely on voting I put rdr kotp Bunny* and worcej as town

*although the brief dalliance on worcej looks wierd

I add Jamie and ghug to the town pool due to RB claims.

Why couldn't the jailer jail a mafia?

Oh yeah. Jamie and ghug exit towncore.

Thank you Bozo (though it doesn't town you ofc).

Strange to let it all hang on mechanics. Scum couldve also just RB'd their target, especially if they somehow managed to have a guess they were targeting the jailkeeper.

I think both Ghug and Jamiet are town, but this level of analysis really feels like it just goes where the wind blows.

[Vecna]

Why couldn't the jailer jail a mafia?

Oh yeah. Jamie and ghug exit towncore.

Thank you Bozo (though it doesn't town you ofc).

What if I said I thought there were only 3 mafia and that I did not realize "Barrel Maker" was a PR?

noone would ever believe that from you

[BunnyGo]

Why couldn't the jailer jail a mafia?

Oh yeah. Jamie and ghug exit towncore.

Thank you Bozo (though it doesn't town you ofc).

Strange to let it all hang on mechanics. Scum couldve also just RB'd their target, especially if they somehow managed to have a guess they were targeting the jailkeeper.

I think both Ghug and Jamiet are town, but this level of analysis really feels like it just goes where the wind blows.

Scum couldn’t have RBd their target unless BOTH Jamie and ghug are scum

[Vecna]

Not much time left, and I suppose I need to cast my vote. I’m inclined to break the tie one way or the other. If either side is willing to drop a TLDR of reasons within 10 mins, I’ll read it and weigh the options. Will’s side has more reasons overall, so I’m inclined to go that direction right now. If no one drops anything, I’m going to

##Vote will

What did you think the reasons for suspecting Just were?

currently catching up, so I'm not sure if this question is still relevant or if you still want the answer. If you do, it is as follows: I don't remember the exact reasons, I'll have to check back through the logs, but I do distinctly remember that the other tiebreak (damo iirc) didn't seem to have any really concrete reasons for suspicion (I remember at least 1 vote was from the very start of the day, with no reasons given at all). I'll elaborate more once I have caught up.

This post also seems to have all levels of honesty going on.

[BunnyGo]

Just noting: if there was no bussing and the cop gets 1 scan off outside the Just wagon, we have a solve.

Cop shouldn’t claim it, obv, in case there was bussing. But should just make sure to do at least one…

[Vecna]

Oh yeah. Jamie and ghug exit towncore.

Thank you Bozo (though it doesn't town you ofc).

Strange to let it all hang on mechanics. Scum couldve also just RB'd their target, especially if they somehow managed to have a guess they were targeting the jailkeeper.

I think both Ghug and Jamiet are town, but this level of analysis really feels like it just goes where the wind blows.

Scum couldn’t have RBd their target unless BOTH Jamie and ghug are scum

didnt the gm confirm the jailkeeper goes first? or did i get it the wrong way around.

anyways, the point doesnt really change.

[BunnyGo]

GM Note:
I've had a few questions about this so I'll give some clarifications.

Targets of the mafia roleblock and the jailer both receive simple "You have been roleblocked." messages.

The order of operations is:
1. Mafia roleblock
2. Jail
3. Other actions

As such, the jailer can be roleblocked, and the target of the roleblock could also be jailed, but would not be aware they had been roleblocked "twice".

@vecna