Mafia 88: Murder at the Meadery - GAME THREAD

[Balki Bartokomous]

From what I can see Day 1, these folks are very likely all Town. That's a lot of people.

Jamiet
Bona
Sweet
rdrivera
Pirate
Bunnnygo

The ghug and worcej votes in the last 5 minutes feel a little too late. If a person were JustWill's partner in those minutes, I see it about 50/50 that they jump on the bus or try to steer away from JustWIll. It just appears, based on my read, that a Will scum partner wouldn't have felt super secure that they'd be able to save JustWill at that point, so I don't want to put ghug or worcej in the town core.

If this is just a list of most of the Will voters, it's almost certainly wrong.

No. It’s a list of people who look Town based on a re-read of Day 1 with JustWill’s role in mind. Some of the reads are based on their votes and the timing of the votes, but not the first two (Jamiet and Bona). I think you read the reasoning on Jamiet. The reasoning on Bona is just the relentless pressure back and forth, along with discrediting back and forth. It doesn’t look at all like bussing that I’ve ever seen, especially on Day 1 before either had much pressure at all.

[ghug]

So ghug, please explain why you are voting damo. Are you where I am at, or do you simply think it highly likely he is Mafia?

What are the chances he is Town, made this mistake, and then topped it all off by claiming the kill?

I mean I voted for him before I knew, so it's not just the thought.

The shot is not a good look but I can see him doing it as town (in which case it was frustratingly terrible play). The main reason I'd think scum would cop to the kill of if food crumbed his gift and he wants to get out ahead of it, which would also explain why he shot food specifically, but I'm not seeing anything there. I don't really buy your logic that town wouldn't claim it.

[sweetandcool]

So ghug, please explain why you are voting damo. Are you where I am at, or do you simply think it highly likely he is Mafia?

What are the chances he is Town, made this mistake, and then topped it all off by claiming the kill?

I mean I voted for him before I knew, so it's not just the thought.

The shot is not a good look but I can see him doing it as town (in which case it was frustratingly terrible play). The main reason I'd think scum would cop to the kill of if food crumbed his gift and he wants to get out ahead of it, which would also explain why he shot food specifically, but I'm not seeing anything there. I don't really buy your logic that town wouldn't claim it.

Why do you think Town would ever claim it? Other than naivety?

[ghug]

OK I'm basically caught up.

Since Ghug has claimed, I will too.

I was Roleblocked.

This confirms to me that you are definitely on the same team.

And since ghug likes to play Mafia in such a predictable way, this means more likely Town.

Hmph, I don't like it.

What a hurtful thing to say about me.

I also don't really understand your conclusion. Mafia roleblocks town, brain jails mafia is pretty plausible, no?

You never responded the second half of this.

[sweetandcool]

This confirms to me that you are definitely on the same team.

And since ghug likes to play Mafia in such a predictable way, this means more likely Town.

Hmph, I don't like it.

What a hurtful thing to say about me.

I also don't really understand your conclusion. Mafia roleblocks town, brain jails mafia is pretty plausible, no?

You never responded the second half of this.

I figured you would read the rest of the thread and see me recant.

[Spartaculous]

why? i disagree

There were no votes on Will until right before the end. All of the votes on him seemed to come out of nowhere. I think it is unlikely that another Mafia player would start that wagon (I think I am using that term correctly?) on the godfather so close to the end. I could be wrong, though, but I have updated my probabilities that so that sweetandcool is somewhat less likely to be Mafia that he was previously (and others are more likely to be Mafia).

I need to think more about what to make of the other six who voted for Will.

I know I'm tunneling, but the phrasing "seemed to come out of nowhere" sounds like a shocked scum shaking his head.

Two genuine questions:

What does "tunneling" mean here?

I will definitely admit to being shocked by this turn of events. With an hour and a half to go in the phase, Will had no votes. I assumed that one of me, Bonatogether, or sweetandcool was done for. But then, Will went 0 -> 7 just like that. Is this kind of rapid pileup common in previous games?

[ghug]

What a hurtful thing to say about me.

I also don't really understand your conclusion. Mafia roleblocks town, brain jails mafia is pretty plausible, no?

You never responded the second half of this.

I figured you would read the rest of the thread and see me recant.

Reading isn't my strong suit, apparently.

[bozotheclown]

ugh...##vote bozo

Assume I am town for a minute and consider the following:

Spartaculous had 3 town votes with 13 minutes left D1, but did not receive any more votes. If there was any mafia effort to save Just, it seems like Spartaculous would be an easy target if he was town. The fact that no mafia decide to vote for Spartaculous at EOD makes me think either the mafia were bussing Just or Spartaculous is also mafia.

Assuming you're town I'd then question the statement "Spartaculous had 3 town votes" because I have no idea foods alignment and I'm very disturbed that you do in this theoretical scenario.

I agree...I strongly think Sparta is scum. This is not a statement I'm disputing. Read my analysis. I'm strongly considering reposting it as the 9 separate posts it was that created it.

Are you sure you do not know foodcoats alignment?

[bozotheclown]

There were no votes on Will until right before the end. All of the votes on him seemed to come out of nowhere. I think it is unlikely that another Mafia player would start that wagon (I think I am using that term correctly?) on the godfather so close to the end. I could be wrong, though, but I have updated my probabilities that so that sweetandcool is somewhat less likely to be Mafia that he was previously (and others are more likely to be Mafia).

I need to think more about what to make of the other six who voted for Will.

I know I'm tunneling, but the phrasing "seemed to come out of nowhere" sounds like a shocked scum shaking his head.

Two genuine questions:

What does "tunneling" mean here?

I will definitely admit to being shocked by this turn of events. With an hour and a half to go in the phase, Will had no votes. I assumed that one of me, Bonatogether, or sweetandcool was done for. But then, Will went 0 -> 7 just like that. Is this kind of rapid pileup common in previous games?

From some mafia website:
Tunneling, or Tunnel-vision, is when a player is so convinced that another is Scum that they are unwilling to look at other cases or consider that they might be wrong.

It happens enough that it has a name (flash wagon).

[bozotheclown]

So ghug, please explain why you are voting damo. Are you where I am at, or do you simply think it highly likely he is Mafia?

What are the chances he is Town, made this mistake, and then topped it all off by claiming the kill?

I mean I voted for him before I knew, so it's not just the thought.

The shot is not a good look but I can see him doing it as town (in which case it was frustratingly terrible play). The main reason I'd think scum would cop to the kill of if food crumbed his gift and he wants to get out ahead of it, which would also explain why he shot food specifically, but I'm not seeing anything there. I don't really buy your logic that town wouldn't claim it.

Why do you think Town would ever claim it? Other than naivety?

I think town should claim it to provide the information to the other town.

[bozotheclown]

##VOTE bona

the opposition hates me because they know i'm right

I just want a tie man.

I have no reads.

##VOTE damo

Would also entertain Bunny for the sake of paradox.

Why did you choose Bonatogether and damo to vote for over Spartaculous during this sequence?

[Spartaculous]

From some mafia website:
Tunneling, or Tunnel-vision, is when a player is so convinced that another is Scum that they are unwilling to look at other cases or consider that they might be wrong.

It happens enough that it has a name (flash wagon).

Thanks for the answers to both!

[bozotheclown]

Not much time left, and I suppose I need to cast my vote. I’m inclined to break the tie one way or the other. If either side is willing to drop a TLDR of reasons within 10 mins, I’ll read it and weigh the options. Will’s side has more reasons overall, so I’m inclined to go that direction right now. If no one drops anything, I’m going to

##Vote will

Pirate Town too!

What if damo is mafia, though?

[bozotheclown]

From some mafia website:
Tunneling, or Tunnel-vision, is when a player is so convinced that another is Scum that they are unwilling to look at other cases or consider that they might be wrong.

It happens enough that it has a name (flash wagon).

Thanks for the answers to both!

You are welcome.

By the end of D1, was damo your biggest scum read among the available wagons?

[Spartaculous]

From some mafia website:
Tunneling, or Tunnel-vision, is when a player is so convinced that another is Scum that they are unwilling to look at other cases or consider that they might be wrong.

It happens enough that it has a name (flash wagon).

Thanks for the answers to both!

You are welcome.

By the end of D1, was damo your biggest scum read among the available wagons?

No, I didn't really have any real reads of mafia amongst the other players. I'm working on a long response to BunnyGo's earlier post where I discuss my strategy a bit more.

[bozotheclown]

Did you explain how Jamie made your list without voting for Just?

Yeah, I did earlier. It's based on JustWill's treatment of him early in Day 1. Will makes a very unsupported snaptown read on Jamiet. It is the kind of thing that I think scum do because they know they are not wrong. It doesn't seem like something that someone does when they are pretending to be a real townie, and they know the person they are pointing to is not Town. When a scumbucket is explaining why a partner looks towny, early in a game, they are much more likely to have better reasoning.

I heavily endorse this line of thinking and think it should be used more.

ghug
Jamie
Bunny
Food

That seems like it could be Just WIFOM to me.

[Bonatogether]

@worcej: I was always going for Just...I just didn't want it to run away so early and wanted to bait people into trying things. But that's why I ran back as soon as anything happened.

Your take is interesting though, and it's also interesting we had similar thoughts about Balki but from different directions.

Thoughts on my bozo/Sparta take?

disagree

You think bozo and Sparta are town? You think my reasoning is bad? you disagree about my statement about my EOD voting?

i forget why i said that

[Bonatogether]

Jamie when he shows up tonight:

8oryju.jpg

is this all you have to say

No.

say more then

[Bonatogether]

I think that sweetandcool deserves a lot of credit for being the first player to vote for Will in the first day.

why? i disagree

There were no votes on Will until right before the end. All of the votes on him seemed to come out of nowhere. I think it is unlikely that another Mafia player would start that wagon (I think I am using that term correctly?) on the godfather so close to the end. I could be wrong, though, but I have updated my probabilities that so that sweetandcool is somewhat less likely to be Mafia that he was previously (and others are more likely to be Mafia).

I need to think more about what to make of the other six who voted for Will.

first to vote is not first in credit

[Bonatogether]

Rip brain. We hardly knew ye.

Once again my reads prove to be garbage. Well played ye town who caught Will!

sheep me