Mafia 87: Madness in Mega-City One - GAME THREAD

[brainbomb]

##vote ghug

[sweetandcool]

Vote Count 4.5

damo666 (5) - worcej, Balki Bartokomous, DrFidelis, Chaqa, JustAGuyNamedWill
DrFidelis (3) - DemonRHK, ghug*, damo666*
Unvote (2) - kingofthepirates, snowy801
DemonRHK (1) - rdrivera2005
ghug (1) - brainbomb

damo is set to be defenestrated.
kingofthepirates and snowy still need to vote.
16.5 hours left.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I’ll, tell you what, fam. We hit that silent disco hard toniiiiiiiiight!

[snowy801]

Well ok
From the vote state and what was being said I thought some absolutely crazy shit went down but that was a lot milder than expected

This is my best guess of what's going on?

kingofthepirates (vanilla cop)
worcej (town)
rdrivera2005 (town)
Chaqa (doctor)
---
ghug (town?)
---
brainbomb (scum?)
DrFidelis (judge? arsonist?)
---
Will (scum)
DemonRHK (scum)
damo666 (scum - angel?)
---
Balki Bartokomous (scum - judge? / doctor claimant)

I think based on some of the things worcej is saying I think you'd benefit from taking a second to write down what you think is happening to, because there's too much mechanical information to be going off of feelings at this point.

Consider:
We have three more or less effective town clears, who are:

king
rdrivera
worcej

I doubt anyone will contest us on that so let us move on to the contested claimants

Chaqa and Balki both claim doctor.
Will claims sjs cop, but is almost certainly lying
brainbomb hardclaims scum proposing coordinated action and wants us to believe he is vanilla town, which as much as I hate to say isn't impossible to imagine, but it seems too genuine to be unlikely as his behavior against Will is incoherent without a cop scan
I have been scanned vanilla something
If Will is sjs cop ghug has been scanned not judge, but I doubt the former so the latter loses effectiveness

So: 6 town and 6 scum. 3 slots to be town
Take some time to think who you think that is
Given recent developments it seems almost certain to me that Chaqa is in fact a real doctor
I am strongly of the opinion that Balki is scum. He seems to have lost all interest in the game with the exception of constantly scum reading me and trying to get damo killed, which further leads me to think that he is the judge, as I feel judges seem more likely to think that getting a miskill in the immediate will lead to their wincon over trying to hide (which further leads me to believe a Balki-brainbomb-DrFidelis judge team) and implies that damo is an angel

Frankly I'm not sure where you (worcej) got the idea that damo is likely to be judge? But honestly I'm not sure it quite matters either way as lot as the kill is on scum to, as aforementioned, prevent a tie, so I don't imagine it's the worst kill we could go for

But to consider further, if we accept one of the doctors as guaranteed town two are left

One is me, and even from your POV that should make sense. A lot of effort was expended on the idea that I must be goon or PA angel'd, so I guess consider your own reads and likelihood of all that coming together versus me just being town

And then there must be one town slot left. Who is it?
I personally have come around to thinking it's ghug. His posts are most towny, his reads are organic. His considerations and frustrations alongside the anticipation of a funny meme setup all points to ghug being our only actual vanilla town among the contested, which then concludes to our final villains.

Frankly I'm not sure what happens if brainbomb's plan is actually executed. To be honest I think the most likely result is that I ask to be modkilled because that seems like the most horrible experience to sit through, but as it seems that so far this does not appear to be happening and as further stated prior arsonist doesn't have a kill action tonight my primary commentary is that I am confused as to why Fidelis isn't being killed first but at the same time ambivalent to a damo kill, though I'm sure Balki would love that this be otherwise.

Still not sure what connection he's trying to draw there. Someone let me know if you figure it out.

Of all this I think the most pointed question to ask is which of ghug, brainbomb, and DemonRHK is our town player. Demon just seems like defeated scum pretending to lurk this phase to avoid attention, which may possibly point to an important role or just being himself. So in the end I think it's a question of ghug vs. brainbomb and frankly I'm really not sure on this one beyond that man literally tried to fake coordinate a tie which goes a step too far for my "just brainbomb things" tolerance.

[snowy801]

At the end of the day I think just hitting the right target is priority over finding factions
Will panicked over a fake cop scan
brain? hard to describe, but that seems too much of a theatre, almost certainly scum
DrFidelis' evidence is more circumstancial but realistically basically confirmed I think

Balki's just a read of mine, I concede, combined with ghug
dargRHK I think is more of PoE
damo was apparently saved on day 1? Balki seems insistent on that. Either way seems very likely

I doubt you can go wrong with shooting anywhere in this pile. Shoot away

Also it could always be ghug and I don't want him getting all smug that he has everyone fooled so we should probably kill him like d10 when there's no way for town to lose anyway

[snowy801]

Now if we consider the likelihood of Will being the type of guy, who when exposed, might try to draw further attention to himself by faking a breakdown to imply that he is an important role and thus get himself killed, does that seem coherent to his character?

My initial assessment is no, but it's likely some of you guys know him better.

[snowy801]

I think my own main concern about ghug is that he had me underlined as scanned town, almost as if he knew I was town when all that really happened was I was scanned vanilla when he was doing his analysis thing

Which would strongly point to ghug being angel, I imagine

[snowy801]

4 Angel Gang: D&W
3 Dark Judges:

12 Town:
0-1 Cop*
0-1 Addictive Cop*
0-1 Macho Cop*: ND
0-1 Naive Cop*: worcej
0-1 Methodical Cop: Brain
0-1 Parity Cop: Kak
0-1 Vanilla Cop: Kotp
0-1 SJS Cop: Will
0-1 Psychic Cop
1-2 Doctor: Balki, Chaqa
4-7 PRs: ND, Kak, worcej, Brain, Kotp, Will, Balki, Chaqa
5-8 Vanilla Citizens: Hamilton, Sweet, Vecna, Food, ghug

Unclaimed:
rd, worcej, Snowy, Fid, damo, RHK

Confirmed
Claimed
Scanned town

As seen here

Frankly as I myself did not feel like I was scanned town despite being so, this seems like a large leap of logic

[snowy801]

In the end though, I don't think the ghug vs brainbomb debate really needs to be assessed today

[snowy801]

Also of an amusing note, the people on the damo wagon aside from worcej and Chaqa are very likely scum

Which does imply that they are pushing each other faction's candidates for the first kill

Of note, brainbomb voting for ghug, who as previously stated might be angel, could point to recognizing end game and wanting to get off the "town can no longer win" shot tonight but of course wifom applies here and could just be brainbomb wanting to implicate ghug, or trying to create a connection in case he flips, etc etc

But that does make me lean angel on brainbomb, since that connection is best formed on an non-MMA angel if he's the one who flips first, yes?

[snowy801]

Late night ramblings from snowy

I think in conclusion ##vote DemonRHK

Let's save damo again, apparently

[snowy801]

Trying to read back some more but my eyes are drooping

Good night!

[ghug]

@will, @rdr, and @kotp

Please follow me onto Damo. I anticipate the angel team may try to empower the MMA here at the last second.

I will follow you for sure. But I feel the lack of any interest on a Demon wagon make likely he is a valuable role for his team, which I think is the Judges.

Maybe? I feel he's obviously scum here but not enough context to feel more obvious on alignment like I do with damo.

I feel like they're both Angels.

[ghug]

Well ok
From the vote state and what was being said I thought some absolutely crazy shit went down but that was a lot milder than expected

This is my best guess of what's going on?

kingofthepirates (vanilla cop)
worcej (town)
rdrivera2005 (town)
Chaqa (doctor)
---
ghug (town?)
---
brainbomb (scum?)
DrFidelis (judge? arsonist?)
---
Will (scum)
DemonRHK (scum)
damo666 (scum - angel?)
---
Balki Bartokomous (scum - judge? / doctor claimant)

I think based on some of the things worcej is saying I think you'd benefit from taking a second to write down what you think is happening to, because there's too much mechanical information to be going off of feelings at this point.

Consider:
We have three more or less effective town clears, who are:

king
rdrivera
worcej

I doubt anyone will contest us on that so let us move on to the contested claimants

Chaqa and Balki both claim doctor.
Will claims sjs cop, but is almost certainly lying
brainbomb hardclaims scum proposing coordinated action and wants us to believe he is vanilla town, which as much as I hate to say isn't impossible to imagine, but it seems too genuine to be unlikely as his behavior against Will is incoherent without a cop scan
I have been scanned vanilla something
If Will is sjs cop ghug has been scanned not judge, but I doubt the former so the latter loses effectiveness

So: 6 town and 6 scum. 3 slots to be town
Take some time to think who you think that is
Given recent developments it seems almost certain to me that Chaqa is in fact a real doctor
I am strongly of the opinion that Balki is scum. He seems to have lost all interest in the game with the exception of constantly scum reading me and trying to get damo killed, which further leads me to think that he is the judge, as I feel judges seem more likely to think that getting a miskill in the immediate will lead to their wincon over trying to hide (which further leads me to believe a Balki-brainbomb-DrFidelis judge team) and implies that damo is an angel

Frankly I'm not sure where you (worcej) got the idea that damo is likely to be judge? But honestly I'm not sure it quite matters either way as lot as the kill is on scum to, as aforementioned, prevent a tie, so I don't imagine it's the worst kill we could go for

But to consider further, if we accept one of the doctors as guaranteed town two are left

One is me, and even from your POV that should make sense. A lot of effort was expended on the idea that I must be goon or PA angel'd, so I guess consider your own reads and likelihood of all that coming together versus me just being town

And then there must be one town slot left. Who is it?
I personally have come around to thinking it's ghug. His posts are most towny, his reads are organic. His considerations and frustrations alongside the anticipation of a funny meme setup all points to ghug being our only actual vanilla town among the contested, which then concludes to our final villains.

Frankly I'm not sure what happens if brainbomb's plan is actually executed. To be honest I think the most likely result is that I ask to be modkilled because that seems like the most horrible experience to sit through, but as it seems that so far this does not appear to be happening and as further stated prior arsonist doesn't have a kill action tonight my primary commentary is that I am confused as to why Fidelis isn't being killed first but at the same time ambivalent to a damo kill, though I'm sure Balki would love that this be otherwise.

Still not sure what connection he's trying to draw there. Someone let me know if you figure it out.

Of all this I think the most pointed question to ask is which of ghug, brainbomb, and DemonRHK is our town player. Demon just seems like defeated scum pretending to lurk this phase to avoid attention, which may possibly point to an important role or just being himself. So in the end I think it's a question of ghug vs. brainbomb and frankly I'm really not sure on this one beyond that man literally tried to fake coordinate a tie which goes a step too far for my "just brainbomb things" tolerance.

Why are you discounting the possibility that Will is town?

[snowy801]

Surprise I'm not asleep yet

Did you not see how Will reacted to brainbomb's claim? Do you not have eyes?

Sure there's a world where they're both scum and it's all theatre but not one where Will is town

[ghug]

4 Angel Gang: D&W
3 Dark Judges:

12 Town:
0-1 Cop*
0-1 Addictive Cop*
0-1 Macho Cop*: ND
0-1 Naive Cop*: worcej
0-1 Methodical Cop: Brain
0-1 Parity Cop: Kak
0-1 Vanilla Cop: Kotp
0-1 SJS Cop: Will
0-1 Psychic Cop
1-2 Doctor: Balki, Chaqa
4-7 PRs: ND, Kak, worcej, Brain, Kotp, Will, Balki, Chaqa
5-8 Vanilla Citizens: Hamilton, Sweet, Vecna, Food, ghug

Unclaimed:
rd, worcej, Snowy, Fid, damo, RHK

Confirmed
Claimed
Scanned town

As seen here

Frankly as I myself did not feel like I was scanned town despite being so, this seems like a large leap of logic

I'm confused what you mean? There's a scan that points to you being town. Scans are imperfect, hence the separate indication in the list and the fact that I scumread you, but the scan is nonetheless there.

[ghug]

Surprise I'm not asleep yet

Did you not see how Will reacted to brainbomb's claim? Do you not have eyes?

Sure there's a world where they're both scum and it's all theatre but not one where Will is town

Will's a weirdo, and I thought he came off as very authentic today (IRL day).

[snowy801]

4 Angel Gang: D&W
3 Dark Judges:

12 Town:
0-1 Cop*
0-1 Addictive Cop*
0-1 Macho Cop*: ND
0-1 Naive Cop*: worcej
0-1 Methodical Cop: Brain
0-1 Parity Cop: Kak
0-1 Vanilla Cop: Kotp
0-1 SJS Cop: Will
0-1 Psychic Cop
1-2 Doctor: Balki, Chaqa
4-7 PRs: ND, Kak, worcej, Brain, Kotp, Will, Balki, Chaqa
5-8 Vanilla Citizens: Hamilton, Sweet, Vecna, Food, ghug

Unclaimed:
rd, worcej, Snowy, Fid, damo, RHK

Confirmed
Claimed
Scanned town

As seen here

Frankly as I myself did not feel like I was scanned town despite being so, this seems like a large leap of logic

I'm confused what you mean? There's a scan that points to you being town. Scans are imperfect, hence the separate indication in the list and the fact that I scumread you, but the scan is nonetheless there.

Points to it sure, but it is not a reliable metric as you repeatedly pointed out afterwards

I can imagine an angel!ghug reaction where you know I could not be the possibilities as outlined, and simply listed me as "scanned town" which is extremely strong language, then went back to realize both that you may have slipped and that this is untrue as well as disadvantageous to you

As explained above however this does not seem likely to me. Just food for thought I guess

[snowy801]

Surprise I'm not asleep yet

Did you not see how Will reacted to brainbomb's claim? Do you not have eyes?

Sure there's a world where they're both scum and it's all theatre but not one where Will is town

Will's a weirdo, and I thought he came off as very authentic today (IRL day).

Yeah? And Fidelis is definitely town too?

[ghug]

As seen here

Frankly as I myself did not feel like I was scanned town despite being so, this seems like a large leap of logic

I'm confused what you mean? There's a scan that points to you being town. Scans are imperfect, hence the separate indication in the list and the fact that I scumread you, but the scan is nonetheless there.

Points to it sure, but it is not a reliable metric as you repeatedly pointed out afterwards

I can imagine an angel!ghug reaction where you know I could not be the possibilities as outlined, and simply listed me as "scanned town" which is extremely strong language, then went back to realize both that you may have slipped and that this is untrue as well as disadvantageous to you

As explained above however this does not seem likely to me. Just food for thought I guess

I'd already concluded you were scum when I did this analysis, if that helps.