Mafia 87: Madness in Mega-City One - GAME THREAD

[Chaqa]

Should I be claiming now?

[kingofthepirates]

First, have some tequila like your Tio Balki.

At the start of your post, you seem quite upset at the mass claim idea. But then at the end of the post, you appear to understand exactly why it makes sense.

Most important things to know right now;

1. If you are town, you are no longer in the majority. Town is half of the remaining players.
2. If you are Town, you should almost certainly vote with your Town clears. That is worcej and Rdr.

Not too worried about wolves picking and choosing which Cops to kill. They had enough out in the open already to kill their way to a majority. The largest benefit of our roles now is to force scum to take positions and show themselves.

1. I don't drink, period. I hate the taste of alcohol, it is a hill I will die on. plus that stuff's not good you. Highschool health coming in clutch lol (I am desperately trying to inject some humor into this seemingly mad scramble)

2. I honestly do not like mass claim. I can understand it, I can see the logic, and I don't have any better plan, but I still do not like it. But in lieu of any other ideas proposed, I went with it. Now I just hope we don't mess it all up

This has been a VERY chaotic first game... ight, I suppose it's time to hunker down, look at what we have, and see if we can get some scum out of here... and if I die tonight, Jamie, please, give me a good story, allow me to go out with a bang, not a whimper :)!

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Will, as SJS cop whyd you choose your targets

For one, ghug seemed like a non-PA angel target.

Kotp was my target N2 because I had kinda sussed that he was cop and wanted to confirm

Food was just so that I wasn’t getting snowed

Why did I seem like an unlikely target of the angel?

Why did you think the best use of your scan was to confirm a cop read?

Honestly idk if it was the best scan but I assumed the other cops were gonna pick the better picks and I was sure that I would be killed earlier then them so I just wanted to confirm some suspicions of mine.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Okay
I think its possible that will is mafia with both ND, and kotp

This is some wacked out crazy shit but what if neither of these ppl are cops. And the roleblock was also fake.

Im trying to process this whole thing and if there is some way they could all just be faking under that umbrella

Also if you had an inno on ND from d1, this doesn't particularly make sense either.

Am I misreading the key? I thought this ghug corollary was what you lot was following

My N1 scan wasnt Nd
i havent said who it really was yet

So, this really bugs me and seems unlikely. With all of the killing roles in the game, how could you post incorrect results? That would have been so incredibly risky. If you were killed, Town would have followed your hypo claims and automatically lost. Why would you do that? What was the advantage?

[Balki Bartokomous]

Should I be claiming now?

If you ask me, yes, especially if it's a CC to someone.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

First, have some tequila like your Tio Balki.

At the start of your post, you seem quite upset at the mass claim idea. But then at the end of the post, you appear to understand exactly why it makes sense.

Most important things to know right now;

1. If you are town, you are no longer in the majority. Town is half of the remaining players.
2. If you are Town, you should almost certainly vote with your Town clears. That is worcej and Rdr.

Not too worried about wolves picking and choosing which Cops to kill. They had enough out in the open already to kill their way to a majority. The largest benefit of our roles now is to force scum to take positions and show themselves.

1. I don't drink, period. I hate the taste of alcohol, it is a hill I will die on. plus that stuff's not good you. Highschool health coming in clutch lol (I am desperately trying to inject some humor into this seemingly mad scramble)

2. I honestly do not like mass claim. I can understand it, I can see the logic, and I don't have any better plan, but I still do not like it. But in lieu of any other ideas proposed, I went with it. Now I just hope we don't mess it all up

This has been a VERY chaotic first game... ight, I suppose it's time to hunker down, look at what we have, and see if we can get some scum out of here... and if I die tonight, Jamie, please, give me a good story, allow me to go out with a bang, not a whimper :)!

I think the mass claim was kinda spurred on by the fact that one cop found the other and thinks I’m the mafia

[snowy801]

I think once Chaqa joins the party and brainbomb comes with is rebuttal we'll have a solid view of what's going on

In the meanwhile, I think, as ghug said don't claim anything

We should have all claimed scum so the mafia teams didn’t know who is who

I do want to play in a reverse mafia game at some point. Sounds fun

[Chaqa]

Should I be claiming now?

If you ask me, yes, especially if it's a CC to someone.

I am a doctor

I don’t think anything is relevant except I knew that Sweet was not Judge Fear from n1. I also know that ND must have been hit by Judge Death

[brainbomb]

I am the only person to have claimed to have visited ND N1.

And I can confirm that my visit would not have impacted sanity to alter his result

I am the only person to have claimed to have visited ND N1.

And I can confirm that my visit would not have impacted sanity to alter his result

Ooh no don't do this. Doctors are allowed to lie. Just leave it alone.

I am the only person to have claimed to have visited ND N1.

And I can confirm that my visit would not have impacted sanity to alter his result

Ooh no don't do this. Doctors are allowed to lie. Just leave it alone.

No you misunderstood.
I merely lied about who I visited N1

Ghug already saw me say this d3

[kingofthepirates]

Scum are going to fake claim cop scans here. We do not simply believe a guilty cop scan. We put all info on the table and we follow our clears.

Balki, I am willing to convinced, but I fail to see how a mass claim improves town's chances of winning at this time. Please spell it out to me rather than appealing to emotion.

I am not Balki, but shall try to explain as I have interpreted it: there are 12 people remaining. there are 6 slots. we look at the claims and counter claims. if everyone is forced to give a role, we will run into contradictions. logically, all scum claim town of some kind. If we have roles we can verify, and people we can verify, then we may be able to sus out some people. For example, if worcej and rdr (chosen because according to Balki they are universal or almost universal town reads/clears, I guess??) claim certain roles, then if someone else counter claims the role, we can potentially identify the second, non-town guaranteed
as scum. I don't agree with this plan, but the cat's out of the bag.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Why tf did brain not just come clean on sweet D2? It wouldn’t have raised any red flags

And then he seems at EOD to encourage someone to move from DrFid to sweet. I’m not quite sure If I believe brain here

Tinfoil again:
And he waited for me to claim so we didn’t get into a CC battle. And then methodical cop is kind of the easiest to get away with because he doesn’t have to explain why he picked the ppl he did.

And then I think that he just used me as his target and suicide bombed us both with it, hoping that he could get away with ‘oh gee guess angels changed my result’

Maybe

I’m still not voting brain because its dumb but seriously sketch

[snowy801]

Ok so it is Fidelis
Thought I was losing my mind here

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

What’s you alls favorite drink?

I like a White Russian personally

[snowy801]

What’s you alls favorite drink?

I like a White Russian personally

I'm afraid I've never touched a drop of alcohol in my life
On purpose, anyway

[ghug]

A mass claim turns the game into a series of counterclaims and clears. Simple as that. But with all of our cop scans, I think the puzzle will come more into focus.

The alternative is to allow scum to run the game.

Do you at least agree we need to follow our two clears or are you now open wolfing?

An interesting framework. I daresay used when you need a day to go without discussion.

I openly declare that I will vote for whoever I want, regardless of what our town clears want. What now, then?

I will further point out that you have not demonstrated with any degree of certainty that mass claims will turn this game into a series of counterclaims and clears. Are you ever going to do this or will you forever avoid the question?

It can't be that easy to be a lawyer.

Sorry, I am used to playing with a different crowd I guess.

In my understanding and experience, in a PR-heavy game, when Town gets down to a level where they have to Daykill correctly or they lose, it’s almost always time to put all information on the table. I.e., mass claim.

The benefit is that we force scum to come forward immediately with their claims, which either creates a huge pool of VT-claims, and a set of town clears, or else it creates a list of people who have claimed the same role (CCs).

Some of the potential CCs may be further sorted in this game with all of the Cop scan data we have.

So, it seems to me overwhelmingly beneficial to mass claim today, put all info in the thread, and follow our clears. There are just too many wolves in the herd to carry on a normal vote.

Also, @Snowy, I’ll offer you unsolicited advice. It doesn’t make the game brighter to add insults to your posts. It doesn’t advance your win condition, it doesn’t set a good example, and it doesn’t make the game more fun.

That's exactly how this crew normally plays. The issue is that you're ignoring the multiball aspect entirely. We don't automatically win if we solve the puzzle correctly. It might help. It might not. We don't automatically lose if we fail to kill scum today. I'm inclined to think it's to our benefit not to mass claim right now, as in this game all three teams are missing a good deal of information, and the longer we keep our cops hidden, the more that works in our favor.

Additionally, we have a CC battle. Even in two team mafia, the play here would likely be too attempt to resolve that before making everyone else claim (obviously this would depend on mechanical specifics), because we'd be spending the day resolving it anyway, and scum would go into the night with less information about who they should be targeting. This, I believe, holds true here as well. If someone can come forward to help us resolve the CCs, great, but otherwise we should leave it alone.

[Chaqa]

What’s you alls favorite drink?

I like a White Russian personally

Water

/r/hydrohomies

[ghug]

Nobody was gonna believe my claim anyway lolololol

But when I die and flip cop PLEASE do not let brain coast to the end PLEASE

I thought you believed him?

[snowy801]

What’s you alls favorite drink?

I like a White Russian personally

Water

/r/hydrohomies

/r/water-

uh anyway

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Nobody was gonna believe my claim anyway lolololol

But when I die and flip cop PLEASE do not let brain coast to the end PLEASE

I thought you believed him?

I mean don’t let him just ride of his cop claim without scrutiny. And the way this is going I am very worried about that happening

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

What’s you alls favorite drink?

I like a White Russian personally

Water

/r/hydrohomies

I meant alcoholic but sure