Mafia 87: Madness in Mega-City One - GAME THREAD

[foodcoats]

So I think I can safely say Vecna was killed by the judges. I don't see Dip attempting to sell MMA up the creek like that, and the other two wagons are dead and a soft-confirmed cop.

...but does that actuall mean anything?

Yup I think this is correct. Dr. Fidelis not on the same team as D&W.

Someone pointed out a ways back that Fidelis may have been coached to be lurky to get investigated. Fidelis Judge Fear perhaps?

[Kakarroto]

Read the setup.

It's dayphase. Stop being fuggin cryptic.

You can't be talking about the Angel killing role thing. The three voted wagons at the guilty scan, the claimed cop. and one other. That would be top 10 worst mafia plays.

ND could be addicted cop or Pa Angel’d and both D&W and ND are town. If we miskill both town has essentially lost.

Also, because there is a “shadow game” between the two evil factions, there is possibly information that is unknown to town but known to the scum in various ways. This means we can’t fully parse ND’s motivations if he is scum.

No one has wondered why ND claimed at day start, for example, which is universally considered poor cop play even in a vanilla game.

I think the voices who are most sure of killing Dip immediately are extremely suspect (damo, Balki, maybe some others I haven’t noticed as clearly).

yeah, if he were cop, and he feared that he would be the next dayvote and plans to reveal anyway, why wouldn't he do so at EoN2? Especially since his 'crumb' was so strange. A random quote? That explains nothing. And he DID have the chance and time to post right at the end, where he could've explained all that. But no, he waited for ... what was it, half an hour or an hour, until he claimed all that stuff? That is pretty sus to me.

[Kakarroto]

One roleblocker out, given how there haven’t been more role blocks reported, I’m comfortable saying that we have just removed the only role blocker in the game. Yippee! Now to find some more mafia…

if everyone has claimed. It could just be that there are two roleblockers and on N1 it was the other mafia team and on N2 too or they just rb'ed Vecna.

But if you're right, that means there is the cop-change angel in the game. Which makes it, in my opinion, much harder for us, since we can't fully rely on all our scans. I would much more prefer to have two roleblockers than one roleblocker and one result-changer.

[foodcoats]

Bro you should've let me move off before the hammer
Why did Chaqa do this

I think "Why did Chaqa do this" is the motto of WebDip Mafia is it not?

[Kakarroto]

I dont understand rivera. I cant read him, I spend every single game wondering at all times if he is just deep wolfing. I rarely ever trust his posts to be actual thoughts

My posts are actual thoughts and I really don't get what you are talking about. I have been completely transparent since before game started (I told in sign-up I will be lurking). Look my last game (the mini, in which you were also and you will see I played the exact same way. It's a short read).

By the way, I think you are scum this game.

what are your thoughts on Balki, worcej and Chaqa?

Since we are at night right now, feel free to post it much later at night, or at EoN, but I would very much appreciate your input here on those three

[Kakarroto]

Day 1 Dip and War Wagon study
5 dam 5 swe 4 Dip 2 Bal

Sweet (5) Balki, damo, darg, dip, ghug
damo (5) Drfid, foodcoats, kingofpirates, Rdrivera, worcej
dip&war (4) brainbomb, chaqa, snowy, sweet
Balki (2) Justaguynamedwill, vecna
foodcoats (2) Hamilton, Kak

This is the biggest dip and war wagon ever gets. At this time, snowy, myself and chaqa can push damo or sweet here to seal one of those two's fate only near end of phase do I move onto sweet and then onto hamilton.

Kak seems habitually to end up on solo wagons doing his own thing. Balki is always being pushed by Will, and the damo wagon is once again alot of people who do not move once they land somewhere.

THis pretty much guarantees the dip and war wagon are all non-angels who would never be late bussing their own roleblocker.

maybe I'm wrong about brain and he is actually mafia

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Kak is mighty pockety this game or idk

[Chaqa]

Bro you should've let me move off before the hammer
Why did Chaqa do this

No seriously why did you do that
That's actively anti-town to the point where you can't get away with saying "town does anti-town stuff too"

[Chaqa]

As far as the Snowy-Balki thing goes, it didn't even cross my mind at the time I hammered.

Blame me if you want, but eight other people also hammered.

And Snowy is the one who voted Balki.

If Balki is MM and makes a kill tonight, I'm going to just assume snowy is his teammate and this is all scum theater to make me look bad for their plan.

[foodcoats]

Kak is mighty pockety this game or idk

Can you explain where you see Kakarroto pocketing?

[snowy801]

Chaqa is scum

There's no universe where town Chaqa doesn't consider the implications of the endhammer

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Kak is mighty pockety this game or idk

Can you explain where you see Kakarroto pocketing?

Well the most recent is p#3739 where he goes over everyone and it feels kind of pockety

On an unrelated note, the player I that of which I am the most terrified of their scum range, Kak is #1

[Chaqa]

Gotcha… may I ask why we’re hammering? I get that the majority agree to vote out dip, but why not try to squeeze what’s left? Give some time for dip to throw out basically all their ideas/thoughts/findings?

The most important thing is that when there is a foregone conclusion for a vote, such as today, we risk losing a lot of momentum and interest in the game. Simply put, a lot of people (like me) get frustrated if we do not have the new info on D&W's alignment when we know it's going to be the end result.

I don't want to waste time analyzing and making theories when D&W's flip could make it all pointless.

So you think ND is now proven cop? I still think ND has chances to be any alignment. He could be lucky other mafia. He could be same mafia with a very risky plan. I think we should've waited and discussed that things, now the day is over and mafia can talk about all that in their chats.

I really don't understand why you couldn't wait a few more hours!

Yeah I'm not here to take the full blame for a hammer that 8 other people participated in.

We killed mafia and you and snowy are acting like it's a bad thing.

[snowy801]

There's actually just negative reasons to endhammer early, and he was clearly aware he was doing it too

[snowy801]

The most important thing is that when there is a foregone conclusion for a vote, such as today, we risk losing a lot of momentum and interest in the game. Simply put, a lot of people (like me) get frustrated if we do not have the new info on D&W's alignment when we know it's going to be the end result.

I don't want to waste time analyzing and making theories when D&W's flip could make it all pointless.

So you think ND is now proven cop? I still think ND has chances to be any alignment. He could be lucky other mafia. He could be same mafia with a very risky plan. I think we should've waited and discussed that things, now the day is over and mafia can talk about all that in their chats.

I really don't understand why you couldn't wait a few more hours!

Yeah I'm not here to take the full blame for a hammer that 8 other people participated in.

We killed mafia and you and snowy are acting like it's a bad thing.

Dip was already dead you don't get to act like you killed him

1000% scum don't listen to his lies

[Chaqa]

Chaqa is scum

There's no universe where town Chaqa doesn't consider the implications of the endhammer

I understood it, but I also was not about to let people unhammer and waste another 24 hours just to talk themselves out of killing a caught scum. I've seen enough stupid shit happen in webdip mafia that I'm going to do what I think needs to get done sometimes.

[snowy801]

Chaqa is scum

There's no universe where town Chaqa doesn't consider the implications of the endhammer

I understood it, but I also was not about to let people unhammer and waste another 24 hours just to talk themselves out of killing a caught scum. I've seen enough stupid shit happen in webdip mafia that I'm going to do what I think needs to get done sometimes.

Also a blatant lie
Nobody who endhammered already was going to unendhammer
That's an impossible train of thought

[snowy801]

Some actions just simply cannot come from town and this is one of them

[Chaqa]

should we be concerned about hammering with this Balki Bartokomous (2)
snowy801 foodcoats

still in action?

not sure what we can really do about it either way

If there are concerns that ND is a poisoned Angel (I don"t, but I think I saw some) I would think Kaka and Dip's vote is a greater concern, no?

Even if Dip thinks ND is scum for obvious reasons he shouldn't be voting him

If Snowy were town he would have unvoted after brain's post like food did.

[ghug]

Are we allowed to post? Looks like we hammered?