Mafia 87: Madness in Mega-City One - GAME THREAD

[sweetandcool]

Oh wait, one last try and then I am out of ideas and will stop spamming the thread.

Diplomacy HAS DIED

[foodcoats]

The other person I was thinking looked weird on the Dip wagon was Chaqa because he said something like “hopefully we didn’t get Pa’d” when he voted which at first seemed too prescient. The more I thought about it though I don’t think scum!Chaqa says that if he knows Dip is town - Chaqa is too canny as scum.

That said I do think Chaqa is vibing as more tryhard than usual which I think is his scum meta. From what I have seen he only acts like a leader/solver when he is scum lol

[DemonRHK]

So I think I can safely say Vecna was killed by the judges. I don't see Dip attempting to sell MMA up the creek like that, and the other two wagons are dead and a soft-confirmed cop.

...but does that actuall mean anything?

[sweetandcool]

For the bot:

DEADLINE MOVED 1 DAY EARLIER

[brainbomb]

Day 1 Dip and War Wagon study
5 dam 5 swe 4 Dip 2 Bal

Sweet (5) Balki, damo, darg, dip, ghug
damo (5) Drfid, foodcoats, kingofpirates, Rdrivera, worcej
dip&war (4) brainbomb, chaqa, snowy, sweet
Balki (2) Justaguynamedwill, vecna
foodcoats (2) Hamilton, Kak

This is the biggest dip and war wagon ever gets. At this time, snowy, myself and chaqa can push damo or sweet here to seal one of those two's fate only near end of phase do I move onto sweet and then onto hamilton.

Kak seems habitually to end up on solo wagons doing his own thing. Balki is always being pushed by Will, and the damo wagon is once again alot of people who do not move once they land somewhere.

THis pretty much guarantees the dip and war wagon are all non-angels who would never be late bussing their own roleblocker.

[snowy801]

Bro you should've let me move off before the hammer
Why did Chaqa do this

[brainbomb]

Sweet (6) Balki, brain, damo, darg, dip, ghug
Damo (5) DrFid, Food, KingofPirates, rdrivera, worcej
Dip and War (3) Chaqa, Snowy, Sweet
Foodcoats (2) Hamilton, Kak
Darg (1) Will
DrfID (1) ND
Balki (1) Vecna

Seems to me that king of pirates was sure rdrivera was mafia, but is always vote with him nonetheless anyway...

[brainbomb]

Justaguy is the vote that stops the dip and war wagon and moves everyone onto Hamilton. this is the catalyst for how the day 1 ends.

[Chaqa]

Bro you should've let me move off before the hammer
Why did Chaqa do this

[snowy801]

Bro you should've let me move off before the hammer
Why did Chaqa do this

No seriously why did you do that
That's actively anti-town to the point where you can't get away with saying "town does anti-town stuff too"

[Jamiet99uk]

GM NOTE

Thank you to Sweet&Cool for his co-GM assistance while I was busy at work.

Now let me see if the bot will listen to me:

Dip has died, he was Fink Angel, the Roleblocker.
Diplomacy&War has died, he was Fink Angel, the Roleblocker.
Diplomacy has died, he was Fink Angel, the Roleblocker.

I assume one of those will be noticed by the bot...

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Dip is Judge Fear and the bot is too scared to visit him

[Kakarroto]

My only post D2 until end of day was also to Dip@Warfare that was my crumb.

Anyway, I'll check back later. At least we have one scum with that guy. And a town clear in Worcej.

This must burst your little bubble Kaky sorry bud. Better luck next time.

first of all: you have no privilege to call me bud, buddy, mate, companion, compadre, or any similar words, not with the behaviour and attitude you've given me

Alright so here is a full breakdown of my thoughts, info, etc.

Role
I’m just going to paraphrase because I don’t know what is allowed and what isn’t, but I’m the COP.
-I investigate each night to learn alignment.
-My return is INNOCENT or GUILTY.
-All non-town return GUILTY.

D1
-Played a low-key D1 with a bit of rxn thrown in uwu.
-DrF did stand out. I stand by my reasoning that his vote on me was scum indicative and I think that should stand out to anyone. With that knowledge and the probability of him being scum in my mind I decided to not investigate him.
-After all, why scan him when I am already fairly confident in that read and not go for someone else?
-I decided to investigate Dip&Warfare.
-This was almost purely random. I thought his username picture was cool.
-The people I was mildly annoying too didn’t really tell me anything and I purposefully avoided any confrontation D1.
-After all, I am a favorite D1 kill and I needed to get results.

D2
-I got a Guilty! verdict. Which eliminated the possibility that I could be something like the naive cop.
-So I know that he is not town for sure at this point.
-I made my crumb.
-This was literally a throw away response to something Dip&War said.
-I made it at the very start of the day and didn’t say anything for 47 hours.

EOD2
-I came back to the thread and got the vibe that some people were itching to make me a wagon.
-I baited this and even welcomed it to some extent.
-If I survived then I would be less likely to be a N2 mafia target. After all, why kill someone who may be a town day kill the next day?
-I might have baited a bit too hard though and when it looked like I might be the day 2 kill I did type up a reveal post. I literally had it in a window ready to post minutes before the deadline with my result on Dip&War.
-Fortunately, enough people moved their votes and I was able to avoid it and get another result.

N2
-Following this I wanted to keep up an argument or two over night. My thought was if I could act in such a way and draw some heat then again the mafia would be more likely not to select me because I am making myself a target. Maybe this worked? I don’t know.
-I selected Worcej as my investigation target relatively early in the night.
-Not random. I respect Worcej as a player and if he was town then I wanted to clear him. If he was mafia then he would be a blind spot to me so I had to determine that.
-End of the night, I simply did an @Dip&Warfare as my final post in the event of my death although I was relatively certain I wasn’t going to die. I figured that somebody would get the hint if I did that he was my first scan and if I died it would be valuable enough to follow up on.

D3
-I got a Not guilty result on Worcej.
-With two different results I felt confident enough in my role to reveal what I was rather than waste the day with a pointless wagon on me when I have information.
-It was possible that I could have gone for a third result, but given the chaotic nature of the setup, additional information roles (potentially), and my own knowledge of two different results then I felt it best to just give up what I have.
-So yeah that about sums it all up.

second, I'm not convinced you are a cop, or even town. with the time and the way you have claimed, you can easily be mafia that makes a gamble. Like, you could've gambled that d&w is just from the other mafia team. Going for a 1 for 1 trade, or even if you are lucky getting a false townclear. I mean, there is even a world, where both of you are on the SAME mafia team, and you bussing here just to try to gain credit, to force a misvote tomorrow. Which would be very dangerous this night where the other mafia might go for you, but if you are the mean machine, you would still get another nk with the vote where d&w votes you. But if you survive, you could cause major damage to town and the other team.

I do have to say, as bad as your 'crumb' for your scan is, it works out in a logical way. I'm still heavily sus of you, you are nowhere cleared.

I'll be back later, but prob best to end it imo. Although if people want to root around for connections Dip&War made for 46 more hours that's fine too.

What do you make of kotp saying his FALSE report on you is significant?

Could be something mechanical that happened and he is an investigative role of some kind.

Could also be a mafia play.

if it is mafia then we have caught him and dip&war so that's two mafia down.
-Kill me then kill dip and kotp.
-kill dip, force mafia to NK me, kill kotp
-kill kotp, force mafia to nk me, kill dip

As soon as dip flips it validates me and kotp is screwed unless there is some mechanical stuff that happened. Haven't really read past this.

I DO think, however, IF you are actual a cop, that with your behaviour last day/night, it is quite possible you were target of the angel that changes the cop result. If kotp is truly a cop too, he could've gotten a flipped result. It's not a 'must be' thing, but, even when I said not to visit any of you or Fidelis, people said they were going to visit you, as far as I remember, so it's a plausible play.

Which means we should not forget that you can still be mafia, but hold of of voting for you, at least for the next one or two days, if you survive. Which is, I have to say, quite maddening to me, because if you truly are cop, you didn't have to need to behave that way and go full aggro and just gave us some of your thoughts. If you had just said before, who you think is town or mafia, participate in the sharing of info of your thoughts, you wouldn't be in this position to need to claim and could still have more scans. And it is not my fault for wanting more information about you, it is your fault for not projecting your alignment and causing such a disturbance.

I have to say, a part of me just wants mafia to get you out of the game now, because even if I have calmed down a bit, I'm still furious about the things you said and how you handled things. Yeah, I know you don't care, as you said , but be aware, if I ever get to be vig, you will be a prime target to me in the future.

[Jamiet99uk]

Diplomacy has died

Please note: This is not intended as commentary on the current state of this website, or its player base.

[Kakarroto]

I don't understand why anyone would not vote Dip. We to allintents and purposes have an uncc'd claim.

there were possibilities where dip could've been town. I wasn't even sure if we were even in the same day, and when I've read up and wanted to think about all the possibilities, the day was hammered. We weren't even close to to the day-night switch, would've been so hard to wait for people to read up? I really hate it

[Kakarroto]

In fact this is an open call for everyone to pour out their read on Balki please

I haven't read him as too mafia, but a few things about him are sus. It feels as if he is just floating, trying not to be too controversial, and some of his answers feel a bit evasive. I know he is on holiday and stuff, so I haven't read too much into all of this behaviour, which could just be a side effect of that, but with some town flipped, my town reads grow more and more, it also feels like there isn't too much space for a town-balki left

I have no definite pings though, it's just an overall feel. Could be also that some of my town reads are wrong and stuff. I am however cautious because if he is town, as far as I remember, Balki can do great stuff. So I'm still not much inclined to vote for him. I'd say he is in the grey zone and if he's town, he needs to do more.

[Kakarroto]

Another mechanical possibility:

ND is an Angel and was visited by Judge Mortis. He knows he is going to die but doesn’t want to announce it because his team would have to do theatre all day. Instead he makes a fake claim to get a miskill of a non-Angel (and one who has been scumread so is easy to push).

well, we know now that he survived, so no poison. Or whatever that judge uses. I would've questioned also why ND would get such a visit, with his behaviour. Especially, without the claim, he would've been a prime target for a vote.

But yeah, it's still possible ND is mafia, as I've said before. Either a lucky gamble as the other team, or a pretty high risk high reward gamble with him being on the same team as d&w. I don't trust ND here. I think we really, really should watch out to not get screwed over by such a play.

[Kakarroto]

Curious if kaka saw any of what happened after his vote

I went to sleep after I voted, I would've endvoted if I stayed longer but I had a check up at the doctor today (gotten some more recovery time so at least until thursday I'll be home) and went to bed after I voted

[Kakarroto]

Anyone who is town, like me, mechanically knows that there is at least 1 scum on D&W wagon currently when it is at 10 votes.

Who does everyone think the scum there is? If you think there are two or three, who are they, and who are the off-wagon town?

these are the voters:

ND*, brainbomb*, worcej*, damo666*, Chaqa*, DrFidelis*, Balki Bartokomous, ghug*, JustAGuyNamedWill*, kingofthepirates, rdrivera2005, DemonRHK*

I'm pretty sure you are town from your thoughts and reactions. I think snowy has quite the towny behaviour, still, even if he survived that long. I know I'm town.

We know d&w was mafia, so that looks like the rest of 6 mafia are on there.

Chances are, ND is on a team with d&w. Maybe a crazy theory, but not impossible. He could also be on the other team.

I think will has very high chances of being town. I'm inclined to think that our pirate king is also town.

Not 100% sure, but brain looks kinda good to me. I think he is town this game.

I'm kinda sus of how much chaqa has pushed the flip, but town chaqa could still do that. I'm still mad that he couldn't wait a few hours for me to catch up and increased the time mafia had for their own chats.

With the last day, I think Fidelis has high chances of being mafia who was rescued. It would fit if ghug was on his team, though I still read ghug as more town. Still, that needs to be checked if Fidelis flips mafia.

RHK was also quite happy to end. I think that highly indicates that he is on the other mafia team. Well, maybe he was quick to turn on his mate. Or could be town trying to simply follow a cop claim. Hmm. Still, I get the feeling that is more mafia infused. RHK is more likely to think things through more, I think.

I like what I've seen from worcej, so I think he is town. RD also hasn't mafia vibes and I think he is town.

Balki and damo were the surviving wagons from before, and while I see some town things, I think I could be easily wrong about them. So if I'm correct about my townreads about food and snowy, those two are the ones that I could see have blinded me and are mafia.

So Fidelis, ghug, RHK, Balki, damo, ND. Well, maybe chaqa has blinded me too. I don't know. And maybe snowy/food, but I would more likely exchange snowy in there than food. Well, maybe I can't read food, and he is actually mafia, but I don't really see it.

[Kakarroto]

Gotcha… may I ask why we’re hammering? I get that the majority agree to vote out dip, but why not try to squeeze what’s left? Give some time for dip to throw out basically all their ideas/thoughts/findings?

The most important thing is that when there is a foregone conclusion for a vote, such as today, we risk losing a lot of momentum and interest in the game. Simply put, a lot of people (like me) get frustrated if we do not have the new info on D&W's alignment when we know it's going to be the end result.

I don't want to waste time analyzing and making theories when D&W's flip could make it all pointless.

So you think ND is now proven cop? I still think ND has chances to be any alignment. He could be lucky other mafia. He could be same mafia with a very risky plan. I think we should've waited and discussed that things, now the day is over and mafia can talk about all that in their chats.

I really don't understand why you couldn't wait a few more hours!