Mafia 87: Madness in Mega-City One - GAME THREAD

[damo666]

what are these roleblock choices aiming for

is it to prevent cop scans or doc saves
to catch a judge
to self clear their own from angel candidacy
or to guide the judge team on targets to kill
or to lay out people they want in endgame alive who they arent scared of

and maybe the vecna kill is about ensuring hes not around late game for the other team. too wildcard like for someones liking?

good point, so my previous comment on rdr and kotp less valid

[damo666]

I think at this point we don't have other option then ##vote Diplomacy

There is a chance this is a fake from ND or PA, but it's less likely then D&W being scum.

I didn't post my scan target and result before for a reason: I was roleblocked.

So, assuming kotp and rdr are telling the truth (no reason to suppose not) neither can be Angels.

We are slowly gathering data.

I would think rivera could easily fake being roleblocked. hes done it before.

Doubt it in this set up.

[kingofthepirates]

Gotcha… may I ask why we’re hammering? I get that the majority agree to vote out dip, but why not try to squeeze what’s left? Give some time for dip to throw out basically all their ideas/thoughts/findings?

[brainbomb]

I dont understand rivera. I cant read him, I spend every single game wondering at all times if he is just deep wolfing. I rarely ever trust his posts to be actual thoughts

[kingofthepirates]

hammers require a majority of players.

pirate I have some questions if you wouldnt mind sticking around a bit. I havent gotten to talk to you alot.

Shoot. I’m in class rn so it’ll be on and off, but I’ll try to get to all questions :).

[DemonRHK]

Weekend and wrasslin is over. It's Monday and that sucks.

Also, why haven't we hammered the guilty? This is basic mafia. Hammer the guilty, and you flip the claim if they're lying.

##Vote Dip
##End

[brainbomb]

Gotcha… may I ask why we’re hammering? I get that the majority agree to vote out dip, but why not try to squeeze what’s left? Give some time for dip to throw out basically all their ideas/thoughts/findings?

Were hammering because we have a mechanically proven guilty to a very high degree of certainty.

I think given we havent caught a mafia yet most people want to see a scum flip to regain morale and momentum. And very few are going to be sad seeing ND bite the dust even as a cop.

And yes, mostly everyone agrees that dip is mafia, and this is a chance to see what dips mafia team thinks is the other mafia team. It forces dip to cooperate, help hunt for the opposing team, and if he doesnt want to help, he dies.
If in the super rare scenario he is town, he also has time to find both teams, come up with reasoning and produce his thoughts.

[brainbomb]

hammers require a majority of players.

pirate I have some questions if you wouldnt mind sticking around a bit. I havent gotten to talk to you alot.

Shoot. I’m in class rn so it’ll be on and off, but I’ll try to get to all questions :).

What do you think of your first game so far?


Are there any strategy concepts you are struggling with?


What do you think of the people who have been really nice to you so far? (who do you feel has been really nice and welcoming to you?)


Who do you trust so far?

[Chaqa]

Gotcha… may I ask why we’re hammering? I get that the majority agree to vote out dip, but why not try to squeeze what’s left? Give some time for dip to throw out basically all their ideas/thoughts/findings?

The most important thing is that when there is a foregone conclusion for a vote, such as today, we risk losing a lot of momentum and interest in the game. Simply put, a lot of people (like me) get frustrated if we do not have the new info on D&W's alignment when we know it's going to be the end result.

I don't want to waste time analyzing and making theories when D&W's flip could make it all pointless.

[damo666]

Gotcha… may I ask why we’re hammering? I get that the majority agree to vote out dip, but why not try to squeeze what’s left? Give some time for dip to throw out basically all their ideas/thoughts/findings?

He's got a few hours since the ninth end vote should fall between T-24 and T-25. The reason we hammer is that if we allow the full 48h with such an obvious dk the game stalls and loss of impetus is usually bad for town.

[brainbomb]

just to play contrarian to what damo is saying, weve seen games where town hammers too many times and that leads to night phases where people are disinclined to talk at all because it isnt compulsory, and that is effectively the same if not worse than stagnated days

[damo666]

Well, brain, chaqa and I more or less said the same thing. So you can endvote now kotp, that would bring it up to 7.

I believe brain and chaqa are town.

I trust Chaqa to be the 9th end vote.

[damo666]

just to play contrarian to what damo is saying, weve seen games where town hammers too many times and that leads to night phases where people are disinclined to talk at all because it isnt compulsory, and that is effectively the same if not worse than stagnated days

This is true with successive or mistimed hammers. We are not in that scenario here.

[brainbomb]

should we be concerned about hammering with this Balki Bartokomous (2)
snowy801 foodcoats

still in action?

not sure what we can really do about it either way

[damo666]

should we be concerned about hammering with this Balki Bartokomous (2)
snowy801 foodcoats

still in action?

not sure what we can really do about it either way

We won't hammer before T-25 I hope.

@snowy and @food the Diphammer is inevitable. Please move off Balki jic he is MMA. Assuming Dip flps scum we can get Balki tomorrow.

[foodcoats]

I think it very very likely Judge death.

ND can't really argue Addictive. If Dip is killed and flips town NDs only argument would be PA.

However I fully expect Dip to flip scum.

Are there specific reasons you don’t think Fidelis or ND could be MMA?

DrF doubtful as no NK N1 (not impossible I grant you)
ND possible but I find his explanatory post ultra believable

Only 1 death N2 makes judge death more likely than MMA in any case, no?

Good points - on balance you’ve convinced me that Judge Death killed Vecna. Thank you damo.

[brainbomb]

the thing is, I kind of think we should get fidelis tomorrow. between the sweet case and even what dip and war noted, I have to think that fidelis is probably also mafia here, from an opposing team to dip

[brainbomb]

the nightkill happening on the fidelis wagon also makes it seem like trying to diminish that pool

[foodcoats]

@Dip clearly you are gonna be the dk and probably hammered in less than 9 hours.

You claim to be vt. If you flip vt we will obviously dk ND tomorrow (scum won't waste a NK on him if you flip town). There is a risk ND is cop and you were PA'd but that is just one we have to take. If you are vt then surely you are happy with a 1v0.95 scum.

So, forget about ND and tell us what you think about everyone else. The clock is ticking.

To be clear this is jic you are vt giving you a chance to participate but I think you are a scumboy.

I think that if we are misinterpreting the situation then town has lost: miskill Dip, Night kill, and miskill ND is possible. Despite scumreading D&W I am not convinced pushing Dip so blandly is the correct play for town. I think it is the correct play for both scum factions if Dip is town, but if Dip is scum it is more complicated for one of them, although bussing is highly effective based on recent games. The size and speed of the wagon onto Dip makes me think town players would be better to take a shot at a variable quantity like Chaqa.

[foodcoats]

Weekend and wrasslin is over. It's Monday and that sucks.

Also, why haven't we hammered the guilty? This is basic mafia. Hammer the guilty, and you flip the claim if they're lying.

##Vote Dip
##End

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