Mafia 87: Madness in Mega-City One - GAME THREAD

[foodcoats]

I suppose it's inevitable that interest in this phase has waned
But I do feel like between the Vecna kill and the ND claim there's plenty of stuff to be discussed
I shall turn in for the day but I encourage everyone to post some thoughts rather than simply waiting out the hammer

Indeed, the Vecna kill is the other thing on my mine. Who killed Vecna?

Judge Death is reasonable. Vecna is a respected solver and a legitimate doctor target.

Judge Fear is impossible.

Judge Mortis is impossible.

Judge Fire is possible, but it implies Judge Fire was afraid they would not survive D3. If Vecna was prime and killed by Fire, ND or DrFidelis seem to be the main candidates to be that judge.

Finally, the MMA is possible, and likewise in that case ND or DrFidelis killed Vecna. Given that Fidelis also received a vote on D1, it is more likely ND is MMA. This also works with ND making a fakeclaim because he can reliably draw votes in future phases but still argue he was manipulated by Pa or is an Addictive if Dip flips town.

I think it very very likely Judge death.

ND can't really argue Addictive. If Dip is killed and flips town NDs only argument would be PA.

However I fully expect Dip to flip scum.

Are there specific reasons you don’t think Fidelis or ND could be MMA?

[foodcoats]

Anyone who is town, like me, mechanically knows that there is at least 1 scum on D&W wagon currently when it is at 10 votes.

Who does everyone think the scum there is? If you think there are two or three, who are they, and who are the off-wagon town?

[damo666]

Indeed, the Vecna kill is the other thing on my mine. Who killed Vecna?

Judge Death is reasonable. Vecna is a respected solver and a legitimate doctor target.

Judge Fear is impossible.

Judge Mortis is impossible.

Judge Fire is possible, but it implies Judge Fire was afraid they would not survive D3. If Vecna was prime and killed by Fire, ND or DrFidelis seem to be the main candidates to be that judge.

Finally, the MMA is possible, and likewise in that case ND or DrFidelis killed Vecna. Given that Fidelis also received a vote on D1, it is more likely ND is MMA. This also works with ND making a fakeclaim because he can reliably draw votes in future phases but still argue he was manipulated by Pa or is an Addictive if Dip flips town.

I think it very very likely Judge death.

ND can't really argue Addictive. If Dip is killed and flips town NDs only argument would be PA.

However I fully expect Dip to flip scum.

Are there specific reasons you don’t think Fidelis or ND could be MMA?

DrF doubtful as no NK N1 (not impossible I grant you)
ND possible but I find his explanatory post ultra believable

Only 1 death N2 makes judge death more likely than MMA in any case, no?

[damo666]

Night 1 Night 2
Player Target Report Target Report
Sweet brain F x x
Balki brain T ghug F
Vecna brain T x x
Damo brain T ND T
Food vecna F NONE X
worcej snowy T ghug T
Kotp rdr F/RB ND F
Kak rdr T worcej T
Will ghug F kotp T
rdr damo T NONE X
Dip kak T rdr F
ghug kak T food T
brain ND T Will T
ND Dip GUILTY worcej NOT GUILTY
DrF damo F NONE X
snowy NONE X NONE X
dargdemon NONE X NONE X
Chaqa NONE X NONE X


Sorry about the formatting. Copy pasted from spreadsheet.

[damo666]

Players not yet scanned and therefore higher chance of being Judge Fear

Balki
Chaqa
Demon
DrF

[brainbomb]

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[DiplomacyandWarfare]

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Dip flipping town would not guarantee you are scum. Dip flipping scum does not guarantee you are town.

Finally somebody reasonable joined the discussion!
Seriously though, ND's claim on me right now is right unless either I got Lawyered or ND is scum. After I flip scum, ND is scum unless I got lawyered. If you think the current situation constitutes a valid reason to votekill me, applying that same logic to the situation after I flip town means you should votekill ND.
To summarize: AFTER I FLIP TOWN, DAYKILL ND

Players not yet scanned and therefore higher chance of being Judge Fear

Balki
Chaqa
Demon
DrF

Perhaps DrF wants to get a miskill on me, get scanned by like five people to check whether he's scum, and Judge Fear-kill all of them. This leads to a fairly simple D4 DrF kill but by that point 5 of our cops are dead so...
Besides, if DrF is angel then scans on him can be reversed, while if he's not they can still be reversed. This leads to WIFOM recursive logic, so I suggest only 1-2 cops, or none at all, scan him N3.

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

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PLEASE STOP ENDING ON ME! I AM TRYING TO ANALYZE!

[damo666]

snip

Dip flipping town would not guarantee you are scum. Dip flipping scum does not guarantee you are town.

Finally somebody reasonable joined the discussion!
Seriously though, ND's claim on me right now is right unless either I got Lawyered or ND is scum. After I flip scum, ND is scum unless I got lawyered. If you think the current situation constitutes a valid reason to votekill me, applying that same logic to the situation after I flip town means you should votekill ND.
To summarize: AFTER I FLIP TOWN, DAYKILL ND

Players not yet scanned and therefore higher chance of being Judge Fear

Balki
Chaqa
Demon
DrF

Perhaps DrF wants to get a miskill on me, get scanned by like five people to check whether he's scum, and Judge Fear-kill all of them. This leads to a fairly simple D4 DrF kill but by that point 5 of our cops are dead so...
Besides, if DrF is angel then scans on him can be reversed, while if he's not they can still be reversed. This leads to WIFOM recursive logic, so I suggest only 1-2 cops, or none at all, scan him N3.

???

[Chaqa]

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PLEASE STOP ENDING ON ME! I AM TRYING TO ANALYZE!

I fully intend to push for a hammer at the halfway mark so you have 9 hours

[rdrivera2005]

I think at this point we don't have other option then ##vote Diplomacy

There is a chance this is a fake from ND or PA, but it's less likely then D&W being scum.

I didn't post my scan target and result before for a reason: I was roleblocked.

[damo666]

@Dip clearly you are gonna be the dk and probably hammered in less than 9 hours.

You claim to be vt. If you flip vt we will obviously dk ND tomorrow (scum won't waste a NK on him if you flip town). There is a risk ND is cop and you were PA'd but that is just one we have to take. If you are vt then surely you are happy with a 1v0.95 scum.

So, forget about ND and tell us what you think about everyone else. The clock is ticking.

To be clear this is jic you are vt giving you a chance to participate but I think you are a scumboy.

[damo666]

I think at this point we don't have other option then ##vote Diplomacy

There is a chance this is a fake from ND or PA, but it's less likely then D&W being scum.

I didn't post my scan target and result before for a reason: I was roleblocked.

So, assuming kotp and rdr are telling the truth (no reason to suppose not) neither can be Angels.

We are slowly gathering data.

[brainbomb]

what are these roleblock choices aiming for

is it to prevent cop scans or doc saves
to catch a judge
to self clear their own from angel candidacy
or to guide the judge team on targets to kill
or to lay out people they want in endgame alive who they arent scared of

and maybe the vecna kill is about ensuring hes not around late game for the other team. too wildcard like for someones liking?

[brainbomb]

I think at this point we don't have other option then ##vote Diplomacy

There is a chance this is a fake from ND or PA, but it's less likely then D&W being scum.

I didn't post my scan target and result before for a reason: I was roleblocked.

So, assuming kotp and rdr are telling the truth (no reason to suppose not) neither can be Angels.

We are slowly gathering data.

I would think rivera could easily fake being roleblocked. hes done it before.

[brainbomb]

no one has mentioned it yet either but what is going on with demon rhk also

[kingofthepirates]

What does getting hammered mean? Does it mean just trying to end early?

[brainbomb]

What does getting hammered mean? Does it mean just trying to end early?

Hammer Vote: The second level of voting is whether or not to employ the hammer mechanic. By default, days are set to 48 hours long, and nights to 24 hours long; however, players may instead elect to activate the hammer mechanic. Notate this vote with a pair of hashes before the word end. (EX: ##END). The day will end as soon as a majority of players are voting to endhammer the same player. If you are not able to vote before the hammer is dropped, you will not be penalized for failing to vote during that day. Night phases may not normally be hammered - any exception to this will be announced by the GM.

[brainbomb]

hammers require a majority of players.

pirate I have some questions if you wouldnt mind sticking around a bit. I havent gotten to talk to you alot.

[damo666]

What does getting hammered mean? Does it mean just trying to end early?

Yes. Requires a majority of end votes on same kill.

Currently 5 on Dip. If it gets to 9 it's end of day and he immediately dies.