Mafia 87: Madness in Mega-City One - GAME THREAD

[damo666]

Aside from Balki, who would your ideal kill be if sweet is simply a manner of wagonomics?

Dr F > worcej

Setting aside DrF, why have you done nothing to encourage votes on worcej? You have not voted him, not explained why you scum read him, not once started a discussion on him. Merely placed him at the bottom of your list and called it a day. What would you say is the cause of your lethargy?

he's not bottom of my list

unless I have a particularly strong conviction I prefer existing wagons to starting a new one

I don't actually scumread anyone, worcej is one of three people in my null-scum bucket

[snowy801]

Sweet vs. balki seems like madness to me, but I townread them both.

I also think it is overall better not to have sweet OR you (damo) as a wagon today because we will have a fair bit of data about you two after we see a couple more deaths. As sweet pointed out there is also a troublesome problem if we daykill one of you and you flip town.

Why do you town read Balki?

I explained way back that I think the way he aggressively tried to crack the game mechanically is townie. I known some people think that talking mechanics is NAI but in this case I disagree, because Balki’s plan will help ensure town gets (near?) max value out of its cops and have a better chance of winning. It’s not just talking mechanics but using the mechanics to build a winning strategy for town. It’s something that scum are much less likely to have the initiative to suggest. It does not mean Balki is lock-town but I think it’s madness to vote him without more data.

Two things to consider:

1) Balki's proposal was one of his opening posts. Even considering pre-game time and chat (kinda crazy there was a n0 chat by the way) I will argue that such a plan can come premade from knowing the setup and not alignment

2) A mechanic-push based town read can only last so long before it wears out. What else has supported your assessment that Balki is town through his activity after the hypo-plan?

[Chaqa]

We can throw Fidelis into the mix today. Is there any concern he’s laying low to get votes on him to trigger the angels thing?

[damo666]

We can throw Fidelis into the mix today. Is there any concern he’s laying low to get votes on him to trigger the angels thing?

tad far fetched I think

[Chaqa]

We can throw Fidelis into the mix today. Is there any concern he’s laying low to get votes on him to trigger the angels thing?

tad far fetched I think

The activity disparity between day 1 and day 2 is a bit odd to me. I was thinking some scenario where he had been coached to lie low.

You’re probably right though

[damo666]

We can throw Fidelis into the mix today. Is there any concern he’s laying low to get votes on him to trigger the angels thing?

tad far fetched I think

The activity disparity between day 1 and day 2 is a bit odd to me. I was thinking some scenario where he had been coached to lie low.

You’re probably right though

Yes agreed a bit odd.

We could teat the coaching theory. Let's get a wagon on him rolling and see if he's rescued. If he is and MMA suspected then everyone jumps off.

Let's give it a whirl.

##vote Dr Fidelis

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

tad far fetched I think

The activity disparity between day 1 and day 2 is a bit odd to me. I was thinking some scenario where he had been coached to lie low.

You’re probably right though

Yes agreed a bit odd.

We could teat the coaching theory. Let's get a wagon on him rolling and see if he's rescued. If he is and MMA suspected then everyone jumps off.

Let's give it a whirl.

##vote Dr Fidelis

I agree. DrFidelis is acting very weird, being online multiple times but never posting. Nonconfrontational and therefore scum.
##VOTE DRFIDELIS

[Chaqa]

I have some reservations that D&W jumped right on it but for now I’ll also

##Vote DrFidelis

[Kakarroto]

Let's just talk about who we think is scummy. You had a post last night I liked but I did not respond to it, let me find it...



I also find rdr and worcej a bit off. I cannot currently read Dr Fid. I think Vecna was way too jokey for his normal meta in Day 1. I do not agree about ND. D&W could be scum, he is way too invested in blathering about mechs and it is in a way that to me does not feel constructive.

I would also not kill me. I would, however, kill pirate. I would not kill Balki, I think he is very likely town. Snowy I am not sure about, but would not vote at this time.

Why, why why are you not agreeing about ND? What has ND done that want you not to vote for him?

Vibes.

Also, unsure on how to say this, but should we be more willing to kill off players that spread their votes around a lot? I feel like that’s an easy strategy for the Angel team to get their powers activated?

I feel more compelled to not be leaving votes on randoms at this point.

Dis post gud.

Usually not one to damn people off wagons but it looks extra scummy this game.

Hmm.

Hamilton was town and I know I’m town. Are dr. Fid and ND scum together? Could the balki-sweet thing be angel theatre? If these things were true the Angels would have had an NK and either been blocked or held.

I think we need to remember that the MM is not a guaranteed role. At this point I think MM speculation is largely useless.

I also had a theory that drfid and ND might be mafia together, that ND was doing something similar to myself in the last game.

I still have many pages to read, but until now ND hadn't posted or reacted anything, and as much as I know of ND, which isn't too much, I may add, this isn't typical for him, right?

Any ND experts know or remember, if he ever was this tight lipped in a previous game? Because so far, what I've seen, is that he just keeps silent, and hunkers down, and hopes to weather any 'vote storm' there is, trying to stay low. I also had the theory that he might do this intentionally to get a scan or two, and might be that role that kills everyone that visits him. Would that make sense for how ND normally plays?

[Kakarroto]

At this point I will argue that there is 100% chance there is at least one scum in Vecna and damo.

If I am wrong you can pick my new avatar.

##VOTE damo

Are you a fan of vtubers foodcoats?

What is vtube?

oh boy

OHHH boy

[Kakarroto]

Dis post gud.

Usually not one to damn people off wagons but it looks extra scummy this game.

Hmm.

Hamilton was town and I know I’m town. Are dr. Fid and ND scum together? Could the balki-sweet thing be angel theatre? If these things were true the Angels would have had an NK and either been blocked or held.

I think we need to remember that the MM is not a guaranteed role. At this point I think MM speculation is largely useless.

If I was a ganger I dunno if I'd have the balls to try shit D1 tho. Too much attention.

Lotta moving parts. just a brief glance over kak's EoD post and hearing damo was an early wagon makes my brain crinkle with D1 meme wagon gone wrong for one of the two sets of scum. But it's my off weekemd so I can burn the midnight oil tonight going over it myself.

that ... is kind of a possibility. That would make the early damo voters suspicious then, if it is true, I think. Please have a look into it, I still have much to catch up onto

[worcej]

Also, unsure on how to say this, but should we be more willing to kill off players that spread their votes around a lot? I feel like that’s an easy strategy for the Angel team to get their powers activated?

I feel more compelled to not be leaving votes on randoms at this point.

Dis post gud.

Usually not one to damn people off wagons but it looks extra scummy this game.

I think it's more likely to be uncooperative town or someone missing EoD than an Angel knowingly naked voting their teammate.

This is possible, all I wanted to do is call out that there's an actual value to it now

[worcej]

You know it's nice to have other people progressing the game for me

Times have changed eh?

[worcej]

Balki's choice of a dark blue font tells me he uses light mode for the site.

That's a scumtell. Only sociopaths use light mode.

Seriously...

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

It seems like everyone is overly worried about the MMA.

MEAN MACHINE ANGEL
Each night, Mean Machine Angel's power is dependent on the number of votes that were on him at the end of the day which has just taken place:

- If there were 0 votes on him at EoD, he is entirely calm, has no night action, and will scan as if he is a Goon.
- If there were 1 or 2 votes on him at EoD, he may carry out a Night Kill.
- If there were 3 votes on him at EoD, he's Angry, and may carry out a Night Kill which cannot be prevented by any means.
- If there were 4 or more votes on him at EoD, he's in a Frenzy, he may carry out a Night Kill which cannot be prevented by any means, and he is invulnerable to any killing actions that night (including being Ignited, but he is not immune from being Primed).

The difference between 2 votes and 3 votes is... doctors can't save the MMA target. Not worth panic over, Doctors have a pretty low chance of guessing who the NK targets are anyways.
The difference between 3 and 4 votes is... the DJs can't kill the MMA. So what? If someone receives 4 votes, the DJ isn't going to attempt to NK them, they are going to hope that player will be miskilled the next day.

What really is worth strategizing over is the difference between 0 and 1 votes: No NK. This is a good enough reason for people to move their votes off wagons with only 1 or 2 votes at EoD.

In conclusion, don't be afraid someone might be MMA if they got 3 or 4 votes. However, you should avoid voting for wagons that have no chance of going through, so as to deprive the MMA of a NK.

That means kotp, kak, and ghug should take their votes off rdr, ND, and chaqa respectively.

SNIP PART OF THIS POST IF YOU QUOTE IT

[Balki Bartokomous]

Jeez, here are people signaling they will vote for me:

Ghug, Snowy, Damo, Sweet, JustWill, Brainbomb

If there are any town on that list (there surely are), Scum will be happy to join you. I have no team to protect me who know that I am on their team. Also — keep challenging these folks and ask for details about why they suspect me. All I’ve really heard is reasons to hat my play doesn’t HAVE TO come from Town. The thesis is: well, he could be scum who decided to help Town out in the beginning. Well, okay sure, but that is not a reason to read me as Scum, and it’s definitely not a reason to daykill me second.

First day of vacation for me, so it’s going to be pretty light on activity here.

I disagree with the sentiment I heard someone say (maybe Food? and Damo?) that we get more data by changing up the time wagons. I think the crucial thread we want to pull is to find the first bad guy. We find the first bad guy and that leads us to more. We also learn much more about the game right now by turning over Damo or Sweet, who seemed like they were going to be the leading wagons for most of D1, until a few players led flashwagons.

I urge y’all not to follow the same players today. I strongly suggest we daykill Damo or Sweetie.

[worcej]

I have to disagree with Balki on one thing.
if a cop got an accurate dark scan that should be immediately claimed because the potential of killing a judge with killing powers is worth a 1-1 trade in every scenario.

Huh, that feels wrong but maybe it is right.

I think it's right too

[Kakarroto]

I understand why hes doing it and its because we were in a rpg together and things got really complex and a messy situation arose. I more or less screwed him over and I eventually left that game for reasons that he probably isnt even aware of, and doesnt wanna ask me about. But in any case, kak can confirm this to be the case, I think they arent allowed to discuss the game anyway so its irrelevant completely to this game.

anyways, he has justification for being annoyed with me, but im a little surprised to hear some of his statements implying how annoyed he actually is.

I'm not sure what exactly you mean with 'screwed him over', and I believe if so, I don't think you did anything intentionally? The only thing that I could think would fit is something where you just seemed afraid of a betrayal. But yeah, we probably shouldn't discuss this here.

[Chaqa]

It seems like everyone is overly worried about the MMA.

MEAN MACHINE ANGEL
Each night, Mean Machine Angel's power is dependent on the number of votes that were on him at the end of the day which has just taken place:

- If there were 0 votes on him at EoD, he is entirely calm, has no night action, and will scan as if he is a Goon.
- If there were 1 or 2 votes on him at EoD, he may carry out a Night Kill.
- If there were 3 votes on him at EoD, he's Angry, and may carry out a Night Kill which cannot be prevented by any means.
- If there were 4 or more votes on him at EoD, he's in a Frenzy, he may carry out a Night Kill which cannot be prevented by any means, and he is invulnerable to any killing actions that night (including being Ignited, but he is not immune from being Primed).

The difference between 2 votes and 3 votes is... doctors can't save the MMA target. Not worth panic over, Doctors have a pretty low chance of guessing who the NK targets are anyways.
The difference between 3 and 4 votes is... the DJs can't kill the MMA. So what? If someone receives 4 votes, the DJ isn't going to attempt to NK them, they are going to hope that player will be miskilled the next day.

What really is worth strategizing over is the difference between 0 and 1 votes: No NK. This is a good enough reason for people to move their votes off wagons with only 1 or 2 votes at EoD.

In conclusion, don't be afraid someone might be MMA if they got 3 or 4 votes. However, you should avoid voting for wagons that have no chance of going through, so as to deprive the MMA of a NK.

That means kotp, kak, and ghug should take their votes off rdr, ND, and chaqa respectively.

-- snipped --

Danke

[Balki Bartokomous]

Also, I’m pretty sure we want to ignore the MMA mechanic and just vote for who you think is Scum. Good to consolidate in the end like normal, but there is absolutely no reason vote movements at this point in the day should be dictated by that mechanic.