Mafia 87: Madness in Mega-City One - GAME THREAD

[sweetandcool]

What is the inconsistency in the world view where if you are scum, Chaqa is likely one too? In fact, what is the original link to begin with

Huh, maybe I didn't understand you.

I haven't really talked about it yet, but reviewing the timeline Chaqa was pretty open about protecting me.

So if I were Mafia he would either be incorrect town or a blatant partner.

Is that what you are asking?

I particularly mentioned Chaqa because that was the first implication I could think of off the top of my head. But I was just explaining my general process, which is what I thought you wanted me to explain.

I think you understood fine, thank you.

Do you thereby believe that, from a 3rd party perspective where you could be scum, that Chaqa defended you so hard and openly as well as opening up the saving counterwagon is a scum move? How do you think Chaqa was thinking at the time when mysterious wagonee X (you) were at the top at the eod?

Separately, knowing that you are town, what do you then think of Chaqa's behavior at eod1? His behavior arguably saved you, but if you are innocent then is it not a more natural conclusion that he was saving damo instead? What do you make of his eod play, relative to his overall play in general?

Heh, you are asking about things that I am planning on analyzing.

Knowing that I am town, I think Chaqa's behavior was consistent and it aligned with what I would expect from him based on previous games I have had with him. It's possible he was saving damo, but it doesn't feel that way to me.

In the case where I am Mafia, I think it's hard to divine Chaqa's alignment. I think interpretation of that largely depends on who is forming the opinion. But I think it essentially boils down to a WIFOM. Was Chaqa counting on the fact that his protection of his teammate was so nakedly obvious that nobody would think we were teammates? Or was he simply mistaken Town?

In either case, I think Chaqa didn't want me voted, wasn't enthusiastic about damo either but preferred it over me, was convinced by Will that Ham was plausibly scum, and so consequently supported the Ham flash wagon.

Please keep in mind these are coming from my gut, I have not had a chance to analyze and make a proper argument. I may change my mind after looking at it longer.

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

Snowy, what are your townreads and scumreads?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Allowing him a response is how scum weasel out of things. See scumthing kill scumthing.

Hmm this is you hard defending damo. No time for you to correct me though.

%%VOTE FOOD

We need explanations

Is this a typo or a deliberately invalid vote?

Deliberate

[snowy801]

Snowy, what are your townreads and scumreads?

Funny that you should ask

M87

19 Players
12 Town - 3-6 Cops, 1-2 Doctors, 5-8 Vanilla Towns
4 Angel Gang
3 Dark Judges

Hamilton Brian (vanilla town)
worcej (town)
Will (town)
kingofthepirates (town)
brainbomb (town)
Kakarroto (town?)
sweetandcool
Chaqa
ghug
DrFidelis
foodcoats
dargorygel
sweetandcool
rdrivera2005
Vecna
damo666
Balki Bartokomous (Judge?)
ND
Diplomacy&Warfare

--> Caveat I want to update my opinion on sweet after chewing on it a bit

[snowy801]

Oh I have sweet twice who am I missing

[snowy801]

Oh I'm not missing anyone I just don't have myself ok

[damo666]

Scanning Kak

For brain

[snowy801]

Scanning Kak

For brain

damo how do you feel about the people voting you? What do you think is causing this?

[damo666]

I know ghug won't like this but correcting brain's post

Player Target Report

Sweet brain FALSE
Balki brain TRUE
Vecna brain TRUE
Damo brain TRUE
Food vecna FALSE
Worcej snowy TRUE
Kotp rdr Roleblocked/FALSE
Kak rdr TRUE
Will ghug FALSE
Rdr damo TRUE
d&w kak TRUE
ghug kak TRUE
Brain ND TRUE

Did not partake
Fidelis
ND
Snowy
rhk
Chaqa

[damo666]

Lame.

TRUE

Compiling results is anti-town, just make sure they're out and clear (brain...) for now.

@brain I believe ghug is instructing you here, not indicating his scan target

[snowy801]

I know ghug won't like this but correcting brain's post

Player Target Report

Sweet brain FALSE
Balki brain TRUE
Vecna brain TRUE
Damo brain TRUE
Food vecna FALSE
Worcej snowy TRUE
Kotp rdr Roleblocked/FALSE
Kak rdr TRUE
Will ghug FALSE
Rdr damo TRUE
d&w kak TRUE
ghug kak TRUE
Brain ND TRUE

Did not partake
Fidelis
ND
Snowy
rhk
Chaqa

I'm kind of offended how few people scanned me
I can fake scum like the best of you, I'll have you know

[damo666]

Scanning Kak

For brain

damo how do you feel about the people voting you? What do you think is causing this?

I don't like it, obviously. I am often scumread early game when I am town because people misinterpret what I do as anti-town. I hope and trust my voters will reconsider and vote elsewhere before EOD.

[snowy801]

For brain

damo how do you feel about the people voting you? What do you think is causing this?

I don't like it, obviously. I am often scumread early game when I am town because people misinterpret what I do as anti-town. I hope and trust my voters will reconsider and vote elsewhere before EOD.

Would it be fair to say that your statement means that you largely believe your voters are misguided town?

[damo666]

damo how do you feel about the people voting you? What do you think is causing this?

I don't like it, obviously. I am often scumread early game when I am town because people misinterpret what I do as anti-town. I hope and trust my voters will reconsider and vote elsewhere before EOD.

Would it be fair to say that your statement means that you largely believe your voters are misguided town?

Of the current 4 I would say at least 1 scum, I have voted for 3 out of the 4! I hope town (if any) will see the error of their ways and scum kill elsewhere when my wagon stalls.

[snowy801]

Hello Vecna

How do you interpret sweet's earlier introspection, as quoted below?:

Wait what is your current position on brainbomb then

Well, I think we should focus on resolving damo/sweetandcool. I really think if damo flips Mafia then Darg is his teammate. If sweet flips Mafia, well I haven't thought about that for obvious reasons, but off the top of my head I think that makes Chaqa look like a teammate.

And his subsequent explanations

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I know ghug won't like this but correcting brain's post

Player Target Report

Sweet brain FALSE
Balki brain TRUE
Vecna brain TRUE
Damo brain TRUE
Food vecna FALSE
Worcej snowy TRUE
Kotp rdr Roleblocked/FALSE
Kak rdr TRUE
Will ghug FALSE
Rdr damo TRUE
d&w kak TRUE
ghug kak TRUE
Brain ND TRUE

Did not partake
Fidelis
ND
Snowy
rhk
Chaqa

I'm kind of offended how few people scanned me
I can fake scum like the best of you, I'll have you know

Some of us had none

Check your priviledge (joking)

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Casually staging a rebellion on vDiplomacy Divided States :)

[Vecna]

I really hate commenting on stuff when I havent grogged any of the context. Which is also a big part why im so quiet this game. Ive been aware of its existence for slightly over 48h, of which ive played less than 2.

Theres 120 pages, of which ive read like 10 max.

Im unaware of any connection between darg and damo that would make sense to unravel in this weird setup with 2 teams.

People are normally terrible enough about predicting behaviours in a 2 dimensional game. Theyre fools or fake if they think they can adequately predict a results in b type of statements.

[snowy801]

I don't like it, obviously. I am often scumread early game when I am town because people misinterpret what I do as anti-town. I hope and trust my voters will reconsider and vote elsewhere before EOD.

Would it be fair to say that your statement means that you largely believe your voters are misguided town?

Of the current 4 I would say at least 1 scum, I have voted for 3 out of the 4! I hope town (if any) will see the error of their ways and scum kill elsewhere when my wagon stalls.

Earlier today you conflated your town read of foodcoats with your assertion that his not voting for his false scan makes him more likely to be scum.

Overall post-blend, what is your opinion now on food?

[snowy801]

I really hate commenting on stuff when I havent grogged any of the context. Which is also a big part why im so quiet this game. Ive been aware of its existence for slightly over 48h, of which ive played less than 2.

Theres 120 pages, of which ive read like 10 max.

Im unaware of any connection between darg and damo that would make sense to unravel in this weird setup with 2 teams.

People are normally terrible enough about predicting behaviours in a 2 dimensional game. Theyre fools or fake if they think they can adequately predict a results in b type of statements.

I was actually curious about your take on his speculations on connections should he himself prove to be mafia