Mafia 87: Madness in Mega-City One - GAME THREAD

[sweetandcool]

##VOTE sweet

I don't want dip. I would do Ham.

ghug, could you explain this?

Why did you not want Dip? Why were you specifically fine with Ham? Does this mean Ham was your top scumread at the time?

[sweetandcool]

##VOTE DARG

I am not confident in anyone except balki and brain and somehow neither is a wagon

Will, you seemed like you really wanted to vote Balki, brain, or Ham.

Why did you decide to vote Darg here? The context of this post indicates that you didn't feel like those wagons were possible, but the Ham wagon was making legit progress (3 votes).

Why Darg and not just damo or sweet? I'm assuming here you were hopping off the Ham wagon because you thought it was hopeless.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

##VOTE DARG

I am not confident in anyone except balki and brain and somehow neither is a wagon

Will, you seemed like you really wanted to vote Balki, brain, or Ham.

Why did you decide to vote Darg here? The context of this post indicates that you didn't feel like those wagons were possible, but the Ham wagon was making legit progress (3 votes).

Why Darg and not just damo or sweet? I'm assuming here you were hopping off the Ham wagon because you thought it was hopeless.

I didnt want to D1 sweet or damo. Balki, brain, and Ham didnt seem like it was taking off

Darg was next on my list

[ND]

##VOTE DARG

I am not confident in anyone except balki and brain and somehow neither is a wagon

Will, you seemed like you really wanted to vote Balki, brain, or Ham.

Why did you decide to vote Darg here? The context of this post indicates that you didn't feel like those wagons were possible, but the Ham wagon was making legit progress (3 votes).

Why Darg and not just damo or sweet? I'm assuming here you were hopping off the Ham wagon because you thought it was hopeless.

I didnt want to D1 sweet or damo. Balki, brain, and Ham didnt seem like it was taking off

Darg was next on my list

This isn't exactly true though is it? You also didn't want to D1 any of the new players so why omit them from your list?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Will, you seemed like you really wanted to vote Balki, brain, or Ham.

Why did you decide to vote Darg here? The context of this post indicates that you didn't feel like those wagons were possible, but the Ham wagon was making legit progress (3 votes).

Why Darg and not just damo or sweet? I'm assuming here you were hopping off the Ham wagon because you thought it was hopeless.

I didnt want to D1 sweet or damo. Balki, brain, and Ham didnt seem like it was taking off

Darg was next on my list

This isn't exactly true though is it? You also didn't want to D1 any of the new players so why omit them from your list?

Um what

Because sweet asked why i didn’t do sweet or damo

So i said ‘I didn’t want to do sweet or damo’

[ghug]

with how nobody voted food after I went on him, I'm not sure if it's because everyone else townreads him or food is mafia and his team didn't want to vote for him ... although, if he is town, all mafia would know that. Hmm. I guess that is a point for food is town? At least a small point? And no mafia wanted to vote him there?

What do you mean by the underlined statement?

I was townreading Kak for doing this once, but the fact that he did it again kind of irks me.

[ghug]

##VOTE sweet

I don't want dip. I would do Ham.

ghug, could you explain this?

Why did you not want Dip? Why were you specifically fine with Ham? Does this mean Ham was your top scumread at the time?

I townread Dip.

Ham had been thrown around as an option. I was moving to you over damo, but expressing my willingness to flash the right target.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Nah, that townslip is fake

The fact that this game is 3P is literally the most important thing and the thing we’ve talked about the most

If anything, it makes me think that Kak is scum because town would be more observant to what people are doing to try and solve the game

[sweetandcool]

I can't ask Darg why he switched from sweet to Ham, but that's a bizarre vote to me.

When Darg has scumread me in the past, he is normally pretty content to sit on me if he doesn't find a reason to vote someone else. Given that he was busy, it appeared to me that his vote on me was originally a bit lazy (but understandable).

I'm imagining a world where Darg didn't have much time to read the thread, saw that damo and I were the top two wagons, probably looked at the thread to get a sense of why we were up their, decided I looked more scummy.

Maybe he wasn't feeling all that convicted, but Darg would absolutely not move off of me unless there was a good reason.

So why did he move? If he is Town, I have no idea. If he is Mafia, it looks like he is trying to save a teammate.

I have a pet theory, but I'm not going to share the specifics quite yet. But I suspect that since each Mafia team knows I am not on their team, then I must either be Town or on the other team. And I think that it became really obvious to them that I am Town, since it's a lot easier of a solve from the Mafia perspective than it is from the Town perspective.

Consequently, I think because I am an easy MK, that scum Darg was happy to join a flash wagon on Town Ham. This also would indicate that Darg is not teammates with damo.
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Of course, I could be wrong and Darg is just town. But I just can't understand his vote in that case ):

[Balki Bartokomous]

with how nobody voted food after I went on him, I'm not sure if it's because everyone else townreads him or food is mafia and his team didn't want to vote for him ... although, if he is town, all mafia would know that. Hmm. I guess that is a point for food is town? At least a small point? And no mafia wanted to vote him there?

What do you mean by the underlined statement?

I was townreading Kak for doing this once, but the fact that he did it again kind of irks me.

Can you point me to the first time? I missed it.

[ghug]

I think damo has been identical to both his scum and his town meta
He is more likely to be mafia because without fully reading he got excited about the possibility of balki being eligible to die on a cheap method. or he just wanted to briefly bus to avoid any future assertions he wasnt mafia with balki.

when he quickly pivoted away, and then disappeared, if this is the best we can say about his town game then I think you might be setting the bar a little low.

he normally does feel a little more engaged in games with lots of PR, and usually has a much better tone of concern and procedure.

do you think maf-damo would be that openly jumping on that opportunity that early? Especially since damo should be aware that most high wagons that early would go away?

hmm, there is a possibility though that maf-damo jumped on maf-balki with that knowledge, so he could get an easy bus/unconnection without the risk of dooming his teammate. I think if either of them flips mafia, the other should be highly scrutinized. If damo flips town, balki still has chances to be mafia though. But I don't think that maf-damo would do this to town-balki, at least I wouldn't expect that. So if balki flips town, damo would be most likely town in my opinion.

Kak not considering three teams. Locktown.

[Balki Bartokomous]

do you think maf-damo would be that openly jumping on that opportunity that early? Especially since damo should be aware that most high wagons that early would go away?

hmm, there is a possibility though that maf-damo jumped on maf-balki with that knowledge, so he could get an easy bus/unconnection without the risk of dooming his teammate. I think if either of them flips mafia, the other should be highly scrutinized. If damo flips town, balki still has chances to be mafia though. But I don't think that maf-damo would do this to town-balki, at least I wouldn't expect that. So if balki flips town, damo would be most likely town in my opinion.

Kak not considering three teams. Locktown.

@Kakarroto, did you see this earlier post from ghug? Can you speak a bit to how it impacted your understanding of the game, if at all?

[sweetandcool]

##VOTE sweet

I don't want dip. I would do Ham.

ghug, could you explain this?

Why did you not want Dip? Why were you specifically fine with Ham? Does this mean Ham was your top scumread at the time?

I townread Dip.

Ham had been thrown around as an option. I was moving to you over damo, but expressing my willingness to flash the right target.

Yeah okay that makes sense. Chaqa and I both attempted flashwagons at the same time, I went for Dip and he went for Ham.

There was some traction on Dip, and then Ham came on to spook the heck out of everybody by randomly voting Food.

That's when you made the comment, and then later the Ham flash actually did come to fruition. And you joined on Ham as you indicated you would be willing to do.

[sweetandcool]

@ghug or anyone else

Suppose Chaqa was Mafia. How likely would the rest of the Mafia team be to follow his lead?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Mm well food has dropped a spot or two in my rankings

Kak has plummeted because TWO townslips on the SAME thing??

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Anyways updated reads list

Town

King
Food
Kak
DrFid
ND
Worcej
Ghug
Chaqa
Snowy
Sweet
Vecna
Dip & War
Rdr
Brainbomb
Damo
Darg
Balki

Scum

I can elaborate on any

ND, darg, damo please.

Anyways ND is null because his posts could come from town or scum, I can’t tell which

Darg is scummy because he doesn’t act like himself, hasn’t commented on my repeated brain comments and just vibes

Damo is slightly scummy but I genuinely cannot fathom why he reached 8 (7?) votes during the day. But something tells me damo was not a popular choice with mafia, or at least one team

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Town

King
DrFid
Food
ND
Worcej
Ghug
Chaqa
Kak
Snowy
Sweet
Vecna
Dip & War
Rdr
Brainbomb
Damo
Darg
Balki

Scum

Wow look at that DrFid and kotp are at the top of my list naturally!

[sweetandcool]

Anyways updated reads list

Town

King
Food
Kak
DrFid
ND
Worcej
Ghug
Chaqa
Snowy
Sweet
Vecna
Dip & War
Rdr
Brainbomb
Damo
Darg
Balki

Scum

I can elaborate on any

ND, darg, damo please.

Anyways ND is null because his posts could come from town or scum, I can’t tell which

Darg is scummy because he doesn’t act like himself, hasn’t commented on my repeated brain comments and just vibes

Damo is slightly scummy but I genuinely cannot fathom why he reached 8 (7?) votes during the day. But something tells me damo was not a popular choice with mafia, or at least one team

I believe either:

1. damo is Mafia and his teammates wanted to save him by voting sweetandcool. The other Mafia team of course was happy to have damo and sweetandcool as wagons and were also happy to flash Town Ham.

2. damo is Town and both Mafia teams were happy as pigs in a blanket, just spoiled for choices for the MK.

[snowy801]

ND, darg, damo please.

Anyways ND is null because his posts could come from town or scum, I can’t tell which

Darg is scummy because he doesn’t act like himself, hasn’t commented on my repeated brain comments and just vibes

Damo is slightly scummy but I genuinely cannot fathom why he reached 8 (7?) votes during the day. But something tells me damo was not a popular choice with mafia, or at least one team

I believe either:

1. damo is Mafia and his teammates wanted to save him by voting sweetandcool. The other Mafia team of course was happy to have damo and sweetandcool as wagons and were also happy to flash Town Ham.

2. damo is Town and both Mafia teams were happy as pigs in a blanket, just spoiled for choices for the MK.

Any inklings on who this hypothetical saving teammates could be?

[ghug]

@ghug or anyone else

Suppose Chaqa was Mafia. How likely would the rest of the Mafia team be to follow his lead?

Define his lead? Like jumping on his flashwagon? I think that has more to do with who they are than who he is. People are generally disinclined to vote with their teammates. Chaqa himself is somewhat of an exception to that because he likes to subvert expectations, but that doesn't make his teammates more likely to follow necessarily.