Mafia 87: Madness in Mega-City One - GAME THREAD

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

Can someone please explain to me why we voted out hamiltonbrian? What evidence was there against him?

[ghug]

Also your vecna read has alot of blind faith

It just felt right.

[ghug]

Can someone please explain to me why we voted out hamiltonbrian? What evidence was there against him?

I found his focus on the judge that powers up by receiving votes unlikely to be something he would come to given only the information in the game thread, given his behavior in past games.

He also hadn't done much to appear towny, and I think there was a large group of people who simply wanted a counterwagon.

A more interesting question is why earlier attempts at the same, such as the wagon on you, failed.

[DrFidelis]

Can someone please explain to me why we voted out hamiltonbrian? What evidence was there against him?

I'm not too sure about D1'ing people given my experience with other social deduction games, but it seems it just happened.

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

snip

A more interesting question is why earlier attempts at the same, such as the wagon on you, failed.

A lot of wagons died out of fear of empowering the MMA. The wagon on me probably did the same.

[DrFidelis]

Can someone please explain to me why we voted out hamiltonbrian? What evidence was there against him?

I found his focus on the judge that powers up by receiving votes unlikely to be something he would come to given only the information in the game thread, given his behavior in past games.

He also hadn't done much to appear towny, and I think there was a large group of people who simply wanted a counterwagon.

A more interesting question is why earlier attempts at the same, such as the wagon on you, failed.

Don't you mean like, the Angel? Mean Machine or whatever it's called?

[brainbomb]

Reread Focus: Worcej
key posts and positions

What has damo done to get 4 votes? That’s weird.

I also expect someone has some mechanical system figured out?

Ya damo is caught scum fyi

We’re discussing why Balki defended him so hard

##vote damo

Casual banter with ghug, chaqa, and myself on page 47

Chides damo on p51

Looks like a straight fight between me and sweet.

I would ask my voters to think again. I will be valuable later in game.

Statements like these are annoying because there are three factions and you could be telling the truth, just not working for town.

final post of day:

Unpopular opinion: I refuse to D1 sweet again after it’s happened like 3 times in recent games.

Overall worcej had no townreads, had 1 scumread on damo, and was against a sweet elimination.

Not a good reread and other than the 1 push on damo, worcej missed a lot of the day which seems to be the norm for him, and took a hard position on damo over sweet at end of day.

The best I can conclude is he is never mafia with damo. but definetely not worcej town game, unless his town game is just getting this bad

[brainbomb]

Hamilton Brian (9)
Kakarroto ghug JustAGuyNamedWill dargorygel Chaqa brainbomb sweetandcool damo666 snowy801
damo666 (6) foodcoats rdrivera2005 DrFidelis worcej kingofthepirates Vecna
sweetandcool (2) Balki Bartokomous Diplomacy&Warfare
DrFidelis (1) ND
foodcoats (1) Hamilton Brian


The only players who can potentially be mean machine N1 are food, fidelis, sweet, or damo

We know if food became activated it was an accident now

We know if Fid became activated ND might actually be their scum partner

We know if sweet became activated one of Balki or Dip is his mafia partner, possibly even both but it doesnt have to be both

If Damo is Angel then he is a turbo powered version of his role, with every possible power: foodcoats rdrivera2005 DrFidelis worcej kingofthepirates Vecna would contain possibly multiple bussers if damo ever flips angel.

If damo is still scum id be most sus of rdr, drfid, and vecna. I do not scumread pirate, food or think worcej could be teamed with damo.

Discuss?

Overall I think damo might just be town, but he kept posturing he was gonna claim some thing and he never relied on a claim to survive, so... I want peoples opinions, talk about this

[brainbomb]

im kind of thinking angel mafia didnt risk trying to expose themselves and empower their killer. maybe im just being optimistic. and it also doesnt mean sweet or damo are clears it just means they might be able to be proven not angels depending how this night goes. same for fidelis and food.

[brainbomb]

I've been mostly playing from the can or on lunch breaks, so I can't say I have too strong an opinion on the game

Which does not mean I should not be the mayor

I like Will and ghug, sus king and balki

I don't like the idea of hypo-claiming every round

It would be weird to have off limit players but I wouldn't vote out vecna or rdrivera out of principle unless something drastic happens

The townread on Will and Balki seem to take different paths. He doesnt ever drop the will read but is happy to turn on Balki late. Doesnt like massclaims and hypo, thats fine, not a scummy idea to hate hypo. The stance of unwilling to vote out vecna and rdrivera unless something dramatic happens feels off to me. Vecna not showing up til 4 hours left in the day would seem to be very dramatic of an absence to me. Rdrivera voting for damo, someone he professed repeatedly was town and not a good elimination should be grounds enough to be "dramatic" by rdrivera standards. Which I might add, dramatic rdrivera in a mafia game is if he were to post gifs, or recite poetry. So meh, I buy the rivera take, maybe not the vecna one.

Im getting mixed feelings now on my townread, but when you play the way snowy does you can be afforded some wiggle room to act however the hell you want too on occasion.

So ill let him react to some of this and see what he has to say about some of the red flags in here

[brainbomb]

I managed to post the wrong tab with only half my findings. so heres the full spread.
Reread focus Snowy.

My first impression of this setup is that I will be doused, infected, set on fire, split in two, then brought back to life to be killed again

Good to see you lot again

Focuses early on what manner Judges could kill him, but mostly seems to just be mixing the setup lightly with whimsical thoughts of death.

Alright I’m not committed to this bit

Scumtell.

##VOTE Just

Is it possible to make this a valid vote, please

I was wondering why he cared about this and I asked about it but it maybe got lost in the deluge of day 1 posts. this seemed slightly scummy to me.

I'm not overly fond of chopping a game into a mechanical grind
I feel like game types like item madness or something like this is best played in chaos, even understanding that one may well argue that it is "unoptimal" to do so

Snowy dislike of the heavy mech plan seems like what town snowy would hate about the touch feel and visceral experience of just letting PRs do their thing. In numerous instances Snowy has heroed games for town as a PR when he is allowed to call his own shots.

I am going to ignore the first half dozen pages.

Hi everyone.

Incontrovertible vanilla town here.

I believe my boy Brian from Ontario 1000%

Given the end of day, given that he held this stance, and then also helped kill this slot I do have to wonder if this was a TMI-read way too fast, way too easy and he just chose to adopt Hamilton as a puppet.

kingofthepirates clearly doesn't understand the unspoken rule of "don't vote NoKill D1".
##VOTE KINGOFTHEPIRATES

Ah. I see. I’m very new to this, was not aware of this rule. I’m pretty lost rn tbh . In light of this, I shall
##UNVOTE

I don’t know who to vote for though due to not being familiar with normal mafia mannerisms

No such rule exists
The spirit of Ezio lives on in all of us

This is a strange post which is then followed by Snowy voting for Pirate anyway. It could be innocuous, and maybe this isnt just him drawing the line in the sand too fast.

[brainbomb]

It's always easiest to find scum in active posters for obvious reasons, if there are any
But in the long run I think the dust that these players leave in the wake is more useful than their immediate kill, which is not the same for these lurkers

Pop some early and they'll come crawling out of the woodworks, I say

This seems to match up with where snowy tended to aim his interests. He was forceful in trying to steer wagons off of sweet and damo onto dr fid, dip and war, and was prodding people on pirate repeatedly. Settling on hamilton in the end also fits this concept.

The one that does not seem to match this idealogy is the balki push or the ghug push however.

Otherwise his votes were:
King
Dr Fid
Dip
Ghug
Balki
ghug
Dip
Balki
darg
dip
damo
hamilton

very wide vote spread. mostly for lower posters as he said he was more focused on. Snowy is basically never mafia with Dip in this game. like snowy looks pretty town for this consistency in what he aims for. This is his focus group and he was constantly trying to get people to talk about these players and to garner voters.

[brainbomb]

@Snowy, you voted almost every lurker except rdrivera. Can you explain why rivera was never a consideration?

[sweetandcool]

I managed to post the wrong tab with only half my findings. so heres the full spread.
Reread focus Snowy.

My first impression of this setup is that I will be doused, infected, set on fire, split in two, then brought back to life to be killed again

Good to see you lot again

Focuses early on what manner Judges could kill him, but mostly seems to just be mixing the setup lightly with whimsical thoughts of death.

Scumtell.

##VOTE Just

Is it possible to make this a valid vote, please

I was wondering why he cared about this and I asked about it but it maybe got lost in the deluge of day 1 posts. this seemed slightly scummy to me.

I'm not overly fond of chopping a game into a mechanical grind
I feel like game types like item madness or something like this is best played in chaos, even understanding that one may well argue that it is "unoptimal" to do so

Snowy dislike of the heavy mech plan seems like what town snowy would hate about the touch feel and visceral experience of just letting PRs do their thing. In numerous instances Snowy has heroed games for town as a PR when he is allowed to call his own shots.

I am going to ignore the first half dozen pages.

Hi everyone.

Incontrovertible vanilla town here.

I believe my boy Brian from Ontario 1000%

Given the end of day, given that he held this stance, and then also helped kill this slot I do have to wonder if this was a TMI-read way too fast, way too easy and he just chose to adopt Hamilton as a puppet.

Ah. I see. I’m very new to this, was not aware of this rule. I’m pretty lost rn tbh . In light of this, I shall
##UNVOTE

I don’t know who to vote for though due to not being familiar with normal mafia mannerisms

No such rule exists
The spirit of Ezio lives on in all of us

This is a strange post which is then followed by Snowy voting for Pirate anyway. It could be innocuous, and maybe this isnt just him drawing the line in the sand too fast.

I know I'm biased against you right now, due to your alignment, but reading through this I just can't really buy any of it.

Please note, I'm not saying your analysis is rubbish, just that I don't agree with it at all.

[brainbomb]

Watching s1 of traitors uk with wifey right now. Baby is still sick and will be kept home tomorrow again.

Gonna try to get all the lower poster ISOs reviewed and also balki before phase end

[Balki Bartokomous]

“I know I’m biased against you due to your alignment.”

Sweet, what does that statement mean?

[brainbomb]

I also take requests if anyone has one to review

[ghug]

snip

A more interesting question is why earlier attempts at the same, such as the wagon on you, failed.

A lot of wagons died out of fear of empowering the MMA. The wagon on me probably did the same.

Nah, if it had gathered steam, it wouldn't have died. The MMA wasn't the difference.

[ghug]

Can someone please explain to me why we voted out hamiltonbrian? What evidence was there against him?

I found his focus on the judge that powers up by receiving votes unlikely to be something he would come to given only the information in the game thread, given his behavior in past games.

He also hadn't done much to appear towny, and I think there was a large group of people who simply wanted a counterwagon.

A more interesting question is why earlier attempts at the same, such as the wagon on you, failed.

Don't you mean like, the Angel? Mean Machine or whatever it's called?

Perhaps I do. What do you make of that?

[brainbomb]

Rdr focus

Just want to say I am alive and will start reading the game right now, thanks to Jamie nudging me on Discord.

The most interesting thing about rdr opening post is that he allegedly missed pregame based on this if its true.

Obviously this is not damning, but I think it is pretty compelling. Anyone who posted in the first hour who lives in the Western Hemisphere should be considered suspicious.

Do you know that there are other people on the Western Hemisphere then North Americans? They still teach geography on USA?

The fiesty exchange here where rd is defending early posters from sweet? i dont actually understand why rd would be annoyed here.

The other rd posts ive already illuminated before about him potentially slipping perceptually as an angel and claiming the angels can help the cops somehow.

Still also not a fan of

##UNVOTE

I'll hold off for now. let's see how this goes...

I know Will won't like, but I don't like this guy play, just for the record.

i still think rdr is mafia here and never mafia with pirate based on this