Mafia 87: Madness in Mega-City One - GAME THREAD

[Balki Bartokomous]

Well...not ideal. I'll keep my judgments to myself.

I am not going to be around much during this phase, I fear. I'd like to have the Hypo-Scan Plan locked in. Snowy, if you really think it's a bad idea, tell us why ASAP.

I haven't really thought too deep into it, as it seems to work on surface
I just don't like playing this way

Okay, sorry you don't like it.

So, are you going to participate?

Also, do you want the Town faction to win this game, or some other faction?

[sweetandcool]

Well...not ideal. I'll keep my judgments to myself.

I am not going to be around much during this phase, I fear. I'd like to have the Hypo-Scan Plan locked in. Snowy, if you really think it's a bad idea, tell us why ASAP.

I haven't really thought too deep into it, as it seems to work on surface
I just don't like playing this way

Okay, sorry you don't like it.

So, are you going to participate?

Also, do you want the Town faction to win this game, or some other faction?

Balki, no need to bully.

I thought you said as long as a decent amount of people follow it, it is good.

Dip is clearly just doing his assigned task, which is to cause as much mech confusion as possible. Your plan is clearly sufficient and the only harmful thing that can be done is to muddy the waters over it, which is exactly what Dip is doing his best to do.

[snowy801]

Well...not ideal. I'll keep my judgments to myself.

I am not going to be around much during this phase, I fear. I'd like to have the Hypo-Scan Plan locked in. Snowy, if you really think it's a bad idea, tell us why ASAP.

I haven't really thought too deep into it, as it seems to work on surface
I just don't like playing this way

Okay, sorry you don't like it.

So, are you going to participate?

Also, do you want the Town faction to win this game, or some other faction?

Probably not, but I'm thinking about it

And your questions are as insulting as they are transparent. Mechanical gameplay isn't alignment indicative regardless, and this implication that your action is the only pro-town move is as delusional as it is insulting

Honestly you'd think you'd know better

[DrFidelis]

Does it make sense to talk now?

[Balki Bartokomous]

I haven't really thought too deep into it, as it seems to work on surface
I just don't like playing this way

Okay, sorry you don't like it.

So, are you going to participate?

Also, do you want the Town faction to win this game, or some other faction?

Balki, no need to bully.

I thought you said as long as a decent amount of people follow it, it is good.

Dip is clearly just doing his assigned task, which is to cause as much mech confusion as possible. Your plan is clearly sufficient and the only harmful thing that can be done is to muddy the waters over it, which is exactly what Dip is doing his best to do.

To be clear, I am trying to bully Snowy, not Dip. To add further clarity, Snowy can't really be bullied, he just likes to be obstinate, and so do I, and so we have fun exchanges like this and it's okay.

Also, while lower participation does not make the plan useless, it makes it worse. The plan will be more effective the more people do it, so I will continue to try to increase participation until we reach our goal of turning all of humanity into brainless cyborgs.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Does it make sense to talk now?

Yep!

[Balki Bartokomous]

Does it make sense to talk now?

Yer damn right it does.

[snowy801]

Does it make sense to talk now?

Yes, feel free to comment

[snowy801]

Okay, sorry you don't like it.

So, are you going to participate?

Also, do you want the Town faction to win this game, or some other faction?

Balki, no need to bully.

I thought you said as long as a decent amount of people follow it, it is good.

Dip is clearly just doing his assigned task, which is to cause as much mech confusion as possible. Your plan is clearly sufficient and the only harmful thing that can be done is to muddy the waters over it, which is exactly what Dip is doing his best to do.

To be clear, I am trying to bully Snowy, not Dip. To add further clarity, Snowy can't really be bullied, he just likes to be obstinate, and so do I, and so we have fun exchanges like this and it's okay.

Also, while lower participation does not make the plan useless, it makes it worse. The plan will be more effective the more people do it, so I will continue to try to increase participation until we reach our goal of turning all of humanity into brainless cyborgs.

I really question what difference there is between this kind of gameplay and mass claiming d1 for role/item madness, for which I'm pretty sure there is a consensus that we do not do so

[Balki Bartokomous]

Okay, sorry you don't like it.

So, are you going to participate?

Also, do you want the Town faction to win this game, or some other faction?

Probably not, but I'm thinking about it

And your questions are as insulting as they are transparent. Mechanical gameplay isn't alignment indicative regardless, and this implication that your action is the only pro-town move is as delusional as it is insulting

Honestly you'd think you'd know better

Sorry you're insulted, friend.

I certainly haven't said (and don't believe) that "my action is the only pro-town move." So I don't suffer from that delusion. I just think this plan is quite pro-town, and so I want folks to do it. [shrug emoji]

And I don't think you believe the sweeping statement that "mechanical gameplay isn't alignment indicative." It certainly can be alignment indicative. I agree that it isn't always so.

[snowy801]

And I don't think you believe the sweeping statement that "mechanical gameplay isn't alignment indicative." It certainly can be alignment indicative. I agree that it isn't always so.

This is fair. I suppose what I meant to say is *your* mechanical gameplay isn't *town* indicative

[Balki Bartokomous]

I really question what difference there is between this kind of gameplay and mass claiming d1 for role/item madness, for which I'm pretty sure there is a consensus that we do not do so

The plan put forward is not a mass claim at all. It is a hypothetical scan claim. So...there are lots and lots of differences. They are different plans, for different reasons, in difference formats. That is why I asked you to elaborate on your feelings about this particular plan in this particular format. It has nothing to do with a role madness mass claim.

[Balki Bartokomous]

And I don't think you believe the sweeping statement that "mechanical gameplay isn't alignment indicative." It certainly can be alignment indicative. I agree that it isn't always so.

This is fair. I suppose what I meant to say is *your* mechanical gameplay isn't *town* indicative

I agree with that. I'd totally do this as scum, for the record. I don't think anyone should town read me for it. I think I'm gunna be NKed some day, so I would suggest y'all wait and see if that happens.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Snowy, I'm glad we're talking to each other!

[snowy801]

Snowy, I'm glad we're talking to each other!

Were we not before?

[Balki Bartokomous]

Snowy, I'm glad we're talking to each other!

Were we not before?

I don't know. I feel like we butt heads. Now we're having a discussion. Just felt good. That's all.

[snowy801]

Snowy, I'm glad we're talking to each other!

Were we not before?

I don't know. I feel like we butt heads. Now we're having a discussion. Just felt good. That's all.

A strange sentiment. I feel as though I largely avoided conflict with you on day 1 as I believed there was sufficient ramming happening between you and sweet.

Incidentally, do you happen to have any discussion points on topic not involving scan claims?

[brainbomb]

finally off work. after 12 hour fucking shift. jesus shoot me please

[snowy801]

finally off work. after 12 hour fucking shift. jesus shoot me please

You'll have to wait until tomorrow, unfortunately

[Balki Bartokomous]

Were we not before?

I don't know. I feel like we butt heads. Now we're having a discussion. Just felt good. That's all.

A strange sentiment. I feel as though I largely avoided conflict with you on day 1 as I believed there was sufficient ramming happening between you and sweet.

Incidentally, do you happen to have any discussion points on topic not involving scan claims?

Things in my head right now:

- I'd like ghug to explain the intention behind his late-day Balki vote
- I'm bummed that the HamiltonBrian flip feels quite limited in terms of how much info it gives us right now.
- I wish very much I could see a Damo or Sweet flip, especially a Sweet flip.
- I think people are putting too much credence in trying to avoid powering up the Mean Machine. I think that the Angels would be taking a big risk even using the Mean Machine kill at all, as it could very easily out Mean Machine as scum down the road. And that kill isn't even the end of the world, as it gives us another flip and it could be a Judge flip.
- I find it super odd how Sweet and JustaGuy are so certain in their reads and worldviews (other people fall into that category too, but those guys stand out to me). Odd isn't so AI to me in this instance, as townies do that, but I guess these folks need to be wrong a few more times in order to appreciate that they shouldn't be so confident, especially this early.