Mafia 87: Madness in Mega-City One - GAME THREAD

[brainbomb]

Sweet is basically a Judge. If hes mafia at all. His focus seems exclusively on finding the angels but trying to convince town that the angels are our friends and if we hug and love them enough their wincons will suddenly become town aligned

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Sweet is basically a Judge. If hes mafia at all. His focus seems exclusively on finding the angels but trying to convince town that the angels are our friends and if we hug and love them enough their wincons will suddenly become town aligned

So we agree sweet is mafia

I think sweet is paired with Balki, idk which team but leaning angels

Care to join me on sweet? Even tho I still scumread you lmao

[brainbomb]

No not at the moment. i wanna see damo flip because its probably a judge and that will tell us alot based on how sweet behaves toward this whole wagon

[sweetandcool]

town damo
Day 1 - last game, a few weeks ago

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g=1028&part=Day%201&user=damo666


And another damo town game m65
Day 1

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g=65&part=Day%201&user=damo666


damo as mafia in M41
Day 1

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g=41&part=Day%201&user=damo666

@sweet
What were you saying about damo as town on day 1?
Read these

Busy now, but I'll get to it.

[sweetandcool]

Sweet is basically a Judge. If hes mafia at all. His focus seems exclusively on finding the angels but trying to convince town that the angels are our friends and if we hug and love them enough their wincons will suddenly become town aligned

Eh, rather I think Balki is Angel but we should focus on Judges at the start. Obviously Angels have to go to, but imagine a world where we wipe out Judges and don't have to deal with the NK.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Another thought for you to ponder, @Will,

I think you said something to the effect of: “If Balki is Town, he is pretty effective Town,” or something like that.

So, if I’m Town, I’m a likely NK target fairly early in the game. In that scenario, you’ll either resolve my slot early with a NK flip, or else you’ll gain a lot of info on my slot: (e.g., “Wow, Balki is still alive, why haven’t scum killed him yet?”).

I guess even if I am Scum, I could be a NK target for the other faction.

Why would you be so eager to kill me on Day 1 given that I’m more likely than the average player to be resolved in the night actions? Why not flip a target who is unlikely to be a NK target as either alignment (and who we will learn less about with the passage of time, when they are not NKed)?

[ghug]

No. Angel's will see the "target". If the "target" is an Angel, then they will gain some info.

Well, they can rule out some hypo scans from being some kinds of cops, I suppose. But they won’t be able to conclusively rule anyone out of being Cop.

(Note: This is only true if, according to #ghugcorollary some real scans on Angels come back True and some come out False, depending on kind of Cop. Need to make sure of that. But if that is the case, Angels won’t be able to rule anyone out of being Cop)

Are you guys whispering?

You did it too.

[ghug]

town damo
Day 1 - last game, a few weeks ago

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g=1028&part=Day%201&user=damo666


And another damo town game m65
Day 1

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g=65&part=Day%201&user=damo666


damo as mafia in M41
Day 1

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g=41&part=Day%201&user=damo666

There are town games where he's been like this and town games where he hasn't.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Another thought for you to ponder, @Will,

I think you said something to the effect of: “If Balki is Town, he is pretty effective Town,” or something like that.

So, if I’m Town, I’m a likely NK target fairly early in the game. In that scenario, you’ll either resolve my slot early with a NK flip, or else you’ll gain a lot of info on my slot: (e.g., “Wow, Balki is still alive, why haven’t scum killed him yet?”).

I guess even if I am Scum, I could be a NK target for the other faction.

Why would you be so eager to kill me on Day 1 given that I’m more likely than the average player to be resolved in the night actions? Why not flip a target who is unlikely to be a NK target as either alignment (and who we will learn less about with the passage of time, when they are not NKed)?

Because you’re the person I’m most confident in being scum

So I want to D1 you

And if you are town that’s great

But I don’t think you’re town

And I don’t think you’ll be the night kill either

[ghug]

Sweet is basically a Judge. If hes mafia at all. His focus seems exclusively on finding the angels but trying to convince town that the angels are our friends and if we hug and love them enough their wincons will suddenly become town aligned

Eh, rather I think Balki is Angel but we should focus on Judges at the start. Obviously Angels have to go to, but imagine a world where we wipe out Judges and don't have to deal with the NK.

Y'all, trying to slot people into specific scumteams on day one is the definition of hubris. Come on.

[brainbomb]

town damo
Day 1 - last game, a few weeks ago

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g=1028&part=Day%201&user=damo666


And another damo town game m65
Day 1

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g=65&part=Day%201&user=damo666


damo as mafia in M41
Day 1

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g=41&part=Day%201&user=damo666

There are town games where he's been like this and town games where he hasn't.

How surprised would you be if damo was mafia here

[Balki Bartokomous]

I’ll also add:

Folks who are confidently proclaiming that a player is one scum faction or another, or worse, a specific role, are failing to acknowledge how hard this game is. It’s hard to identify scum on Day one, let alone to specify a particular faction or role. Let’s chop to kill people who seem to be trying to blend in or who are not solving a puzzle. When you suggest that you already know alignments down to the flavor of scum or the exact role you are hunting, you sound quite naive.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Sweet is basically a Judge. If hes mafia at all. His focus seems exclusively on finding the angels but trying to convince town that the angels are our friends and if we hug and love them enough their wincons will suddenly become town aligned

Eh, rather I think Balki is Angel but we should focus on Judges at the start. Obviously Angels have to go to, but imagine a world where we wipe out Judges and don't have to deal with the NK.

Y'all, trying to slot people into specific scumteams on day one is the definition of hubris. Come on.

Jinx!

[ghug]

town damo
Day 1 - last game, a few weeks ago

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g=1028&part=Day%201&user=damo666


And another damo town game m65
Day 1

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g=65&part=Day%201&user=damo666


damo as mafia in M41
Day 1

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g=41&part=Day%201&user=damo666

There are town games where he's been like this and town games where he hasn't.

How surprised would you be if damo was mafia here

Not very, but his expected scumminess is lower in my mind than in many others', so I'm defending him. It's like how I always scumread Jamie. He's null.

[sweetandcool]

I’ll also add:

Folks who are confidently proclaiming that a player is one scum faction or another, or worse, a specific role, are failing to acknowledge how hard this game is. It’s hard to identify scum on Day one, let alone to specify a particular faction or role. Let’s chop to kill people who seem to be trying to blend in or who are not solving a puzzle. When you suggest that you already know alignments down to the flavor of scum or the exact role you are hunting, you sound quite naive.

I think it's naive to think any of these declarations are done with a high degree of certainty.

[brainbomb]

In what ways is ND scummier than damo. I thought you were voting ND because its just a pro town thing to do

[brainbomb]

I dont know what logic sweet is using to presume balki is some angel role. My guess is sweet is a judge who is hunting for the opposing team to score towncred

[Balki Bartokomous]

I’ll also add:

Folks who are confidently proclaiming that a player is one scum faction or another, or worse, a specific role, are failing to acknowledge how hard this game is. It’s hard to identify scum on Day one, let alone to specify a particular faction or role. Let’s chop to kill people who seem to be trying to blend in or who are not solving a puzzle. When you suggest that you already know alignments down to the flavor of scum or the exact role you are hunting, you sound quite naive.

I think it's naive to think any of these declarations are done with a high degree of certainty.

Hmmmm…

I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt that you mean what you say. If you don’t mean it, don’t say it. I think you’ve said a few times that we shouldn’t chop me because I’m Angel. Why do you say that?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I’ll also add:

Folks who are confidently proclaiming that a player is one scum faction or another, or worse, a specific role, are failing to acknowledge how hard this game is. It’s hard to identify scum on Day one, let alone to specify a particular faction or role. Let’s chop to kill people who seem to be trying to blend in or who are not solving a puzzle. When you suggest that you already know alignments down to the flavor of scum or the exact role you are hunting, you sound quite naive.

I think it's naive to think any of these declarations are done with a high degree of certainty.

Hmmmm…

I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt that you mean what you say. If you don’t mean it, don’t say it. I think you’ve said a few times that we shouldn’t chop me because I’m Angel. Why do you say that?

Hmmm I don’t like this take

I’m not confident in food being town but I should still say it so that town has info

[brainbomb]

Will hows that reading damo coming along?