Mafia 87: Madness in Mega-City One - GAME THREAD

[ghug]

The original ghug corollary has every result mapped to either "true" or "false". The problem is that, for example, Innocent = true, guilty = false, but psychic cop scanning dark = true and not dark = false. Therefore, if someone is scanned as "true":
The person scanning them might be a vanilla town
The person scanning them might be a lying scum
The person scanning them might be a cop and the target is innocent
The person scanning them might be a psychic cop and the target is a dark judge
Among several other results for other roles.
My solution simply streamlines this by mapping "Innocent", "not dark", "Vanilla" (most Vanillas are town) and "Not cop (including dark judge)" to true, while "Guilty", "dark", "not vanilla", and "cop (including dark judge)" are mapped to false. As you can see, the suspicious results are mostly mapped to false. Non-vanilla cops scanned by the vanilla cop and the sjs cop (scans to see if the target is a cop) run the risk of being scanned as false, but it's not that difficult to simply say "I'm XYZ cop" if you get in serious risk of being vote-killed because the sjs cop scanned you.

Are you suggesting that we would try to chop someone because of a particular result from a hypo scan?

I definitely think we should not do that.

Under the theory of the plan, as I've proposed it, the hypo scan results will be essentially worthless until after a cop has died and flipped a particular kind of cop.

I think it is a bad idea to make the scan results actually coherent (suggesting towny or scummy) before flips, as that just gives Scum more idea of what scans are real and what scans are hypothetical.

No.
The point is to give scumleans and townleans rather than ambigious "innocent or maybe a dark Judge" results. If somebody is scanned 5 times by 5 different people as "false", they are probably scum.

Yeah, I think this is a bad thing, not a good thing. A bunch of people could have wrong reads. A real cop could have misleading results. Scum could game it. The ideal outcome here is that every cop's target/result history flips with them on death and we don't hear anyone about scans at all before that. Obviously that's impossible, but the TRUE/FALSE schema gets us the former with perfect fidelity while maximizing the latter.

[Chaqa]

Seems to have been a lot of thought going into figuring this out.

Everyone should just blindly listen to me and focus on solving.

#inGhugWeTrust

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

jesus, will is probably town. he just posts anything he thinks of. without any agenda other than the love of hitting the submit button.

it reminds me of someone you all know...

Um I do that as any alignment

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

your talking points seem to spark energy in will, which I certainly can explain as he just respects your opinions alot.

Hmph. Valid

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Okay so

Town

kingofthepirates
foodcoats
sweetandcool
ghug
Hamilton Brian
ND
rdrivera2005
snowy801
Chaqa
Vecna
Kakarroto
DrFidelis
worcej
dargorygel
Diplomacy&Warfare
Balki Bartokomous
brainbomb
damo666

Mafia

I can elaborate on whomever. Except Vecna and kak for obvious reasons

Why so down on Dip?

Why so up on Food?

Dip is strange. Last game he at least had Kak to fake an argument with but it seems he is lost on what to do

Food is towny just purely off vibes

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

your talking points seem to spark energy in will, which I certainly can explain as he just respects your opinions alot.

@Will

Do you respect my opinions?

Or just pocketing?

I do

And I’m going to be genuinely so honest here and maybe I’m bad at the game for it lmao

I don’t even think about pocketing someone or distancing someone. I just kinda go with the flow with no agenda, as town or as scum

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

please forgive my ignorance, but what exactly is 'pocketing'? it that like just spreading good vibes overall? or does it have some other meaning? Also, I'm quite confused about the whole ghugcorollary thing. have the majority of us playing agreed to go through with this plan? and which version are we going for? Balki's original idea? ghug's original idea? or some other amended version?

It’s where you either agree with someone a lot of butter them up so that they are less likely to vote you

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

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I think this is a bad idea.

I don't like it because it makes it easier for the bad guys to find our real cops. I also don't like it because I don't want us making Day Chop decisions based on a mishmash of hypothetical scans, which in most cases will mean nothing, and can be heavily influences by scum. Definitely don't like this idea.

[sweetandcool]

your talking points seem to spark energy in will, which I certainly can explain as he just respects your opinions alot.

@Will

Do you respect my opinions?

Or just pocketing?

I do

And I’m going to be genuinely so honest here and maybe I’m bad at the game for it lmao

I don’t even think about pocketing someone or distancing someone. I just kinda go with the flow with no agenda, as town or as scum

I believe it. I do the same.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Balki is either the best town this game or pretty good scum. He is directing the thread and talking about mainly mech things.

This is a compliment -- thanks!!! -- but says nothing at all about your read. All players are either Town or Scum. Please explain what I have done that has indicated to you my alignment and explain why you find me more likely than most other players to be aligned with scum.

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

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I think this is a bad idea.

I don't like it because it makes it easier for the bad guys to find our real cops. I also don't like it because I don't want us making Day Chop decisions based on a mishmash of hypothetical scans, which in most cases will mean nothing, and can be heavily influences by scum. Definitely don't like this idea.

Whelp. I forgot to actually write before hitting submit. Anyways, these seem like valid points, but I also think you are underestimating my strategy. It certainly seems better than the ghug version.
Other opinions? Will? Ghug? Chaqa?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Balki is either the best town this game or pretty good scum. He is directing the thread and talking about mainly mech things.

This is a compliment -- thanks!!! -- but says nothing at all about your read. All players are either Town or Scum. Please explain what I have done that has indicated to you my alignment and explain why you find me more likely than most other players to be aligned with scum.

Vibes. You seem to have control over the thread which personally I don’t like (not bc its you just the concept of a leader in game) and your ISO is very defensive and you seem to look for anything to pounce on, just like scum would

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

jesus, will is probably town. he just posts anything he thinks of. without any agenda other than the love of hitting the submit button.

it reminds me of someone you all know...

Awww so sweet. And cool too!

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

##VOTE BALKI

Alright no more self doubt

I’m confident this slot is probably scum. If not, then damn skill issue for real

[Balki Bartokomous]

Balki is either the best town this game or pretty good scum. He is directing the thread and talking about mainly mech things.

This is a compliment -- thanks!!! -- but says nothing at all about your read. All players are either Town or Scum. Please explain what I have done that has indicated to you my alignment and explain why you find me more likely than most other players to be aligned with scum.

Vibes. You seem to have control over the thread which personally I don’t like (not bc its you just the concept of a leader in game) and your ISO is very defensive and you seem to look for anything to pounce on, just like scum would

Okay, thank you for explaining.

[Balki Bartokomous]

More often than not, when someone takes a stand on me Day 1, they are Town. It's just a risky fight to pick as Scum. Town points for Will.

[ghug]

Are you suggesting that we would try to chop someone because of a particular result from a hypo scan?

I definitely think we should not do that.

Under the theory of the plan, as I've proposed it, the hypo scan results will be essentially worthless until after a cop has died and flipped a particular kind of cop.

I think it is a bad idea to make the scan results actually coherent (suggesting towny or scummy) before flips, as that just gives Scum more idea of what scans are real and what scans are hypothetical.

No.
The point is to give scumleans and townleans rather than ambigious "innocent or maybe a dark Judge" results. If somebody is scanned 5 times by 5 different people as "false", they are probably scum.

Yeah, I think this is a bad thing, not a good thing. A bunch of people could have wrong reads. A real cop could have misleading results. Scum could game it. The ideal outcome here is that every cop's target/result history flips with them on death and we don't hear anyone about scans at all before that. Obviously that's impossible, but the TRUE/FALSE schema gets us the former with perfect fidelity while maximizing the latter.

I think this is a bad idea.

I don't like it because it makes it easier for the bad guys to find our real cops. I also don't like it because I don't want us making Day Chop decisions based on a mishmash of hypothetical scans, which in most cases will mean nothing, and can be heavily influences by scum. Definitely don't like this idea.

Whelp. I forgot to actually write before hitting submit. Anyways, these seem like valid points, but I also think you are underestimating my strategy. It certainly seems better than the ghug version.
Other opinions? Will? Ghug? Chaqa?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

More often than not, when someone takes a stand on me Day 1, they are Town. It's just a risky fight to pick as Scum. Town points for Will.

Ok lets keep your solves out of night chat aight?

Getting D1ed on your first game back is pretty sad tho

[ghug]

More often than not, when someone takes a stand on me Day 1, they are Town. It's just a risky fight to pick as Scum. Town points for Will.

I would not give Will this credit. He is very brash and he does not know you.

[Balki Bartokomous]

More often than not, when someone takes a stand on me Day 1, they are Town. It's just a risky fight to pick as Scum. Town points for Will.

I would not give Will this credit. He is very brash and he does not know you.

Not clearing anyone, but I'll continue to share my feelings thank you very much.