Mafia 87: Madness in Mega-City One - GAME THREAD

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Hmm that seems like an incredibly strange post for Dip and War lmao

[snowy801]

In other news Chaqa is scum.

my role PM said I'm the nacho cop

MACHO COP
The Macho Cop may each night investigate a player to learn their alignment (returning INNOCENT or GUILTY. All non-Town return "GUILTY"). The Macho Cop cannot be protected from nightkills in any way. They receive a generic Cop PM.

*Note that the Addictive Cop, Macho Cop, and Naïve Cop all receive a generic Cop PM, which gives their role info as:

COP
The Cop may each night investigate a player to learn their alignment (returning INNOCENT or GUILTY. All non-Town return "GUILTY").

The macho cop does not know that they are the macho cop at the start of D1.
##VOTE CHAQA

Damn you really dipped my nachos there

You're caught red handed, you may as well confess now

[Chaqa]

okay, so can we talk about what everyone really wants to talk about?

Sure!

You start

what kind of nachoz do you liek?

I don’t actually like nachos lol. Usually the cheese used is super low quality or gross

[snowy801]

Hmm that seems like an incredibly strange post for Dip and War lmao

Which one? The mechanics post or the chaqa post?

[brainbomb]

[ghug]

I am just going to point out that the ghugcorollary is bad because scanning someone as innocent (ie normal cop) and sharing the "true" result looks the same as, for example, being the psychic cop and reading a Dark Judge.
For reference the ghugcorollary is:
Addictive Cop - INNOCENT=TRUE, GUILTY=FALSE
Macho Cop - INNOCENT=TRUE, GUILTY=FALSE
Naive Cop - INNOCENT=TRUE, GUILTY=FALSE
Methodical Cop - INNOCENT=TRUE, GUILTY=FALSE
Parity Cop - Same=TRUE, different=FALSE, no result=FALSE
Vanilla Cop - Vanilla=TRUE, Not vanilla=FALSE
SJS Cop - Cop=TRUE, Not cop=FALSE
Psychic Cop - Dark=TRUE, not dark=FALSE

Presumably after EoN everyone shares what they hypothetically scanned, with vanilla town... actually we don't know. Maybe they flip a coin, maybe they always report True or always report False.


Here is my version of Balki's plan, with modifications:
Everyone says, before EoN, "If I hypothetically were a cop, I would scan X".
Cops say who they are going to scan. This includes Methodical Cop, unless they know their target can't be Judge Fear (see below), in which case they claim to be scanning someone they would scan if they were a generic cop.
IF docs know their target can't be Judge Fear (ie, we have identified the target as a different role with confirmation, we know who Judge Fear is for certain and it is not the target, Judge Fear is dead, we have confirmed that Judge Fear is not in the game), then the docs say they are targeting the person that they would if they were a cop.
If the target might possibly be Judge Fear, which currently applies to everyone, the docs say they are scanning whoever they are saving.
Town claim they are scanning whoever they would scan if they were a cop
Then, after EoN, everyone reports their results as follows:
"normal" cop, addictive cop, macho cop, naive cop, methodical cop: Whatever (innocent/guilty) you received
SJS: Dark = Guilty, Not Dark = Innocent
Parity Cop: Use your discretion. Lean towards "INNOCENT" unless you are certain of the previous night-target's team. Imply your findings in normal posts.
Vanilla Cop: Use your discretion. Lean towards "Innocent" for Vanilla. If the target claims to be a cop and your scan returned "not vanilla", claim "Guilty".
Doctor: Use your discretion. Lean towards Innocent.
Vanilla Town: Use your discretion. Lean towards Innocent.


It's a lot, but the point is that instead of ambiguous "True/False", we have "Innocent", which indicates the target is probably town, and "Guilty" which indicates the target is probably scum. We would need someone to keep track of the hypothetical scans as well as the hypothetical results.

Simplicity has legitimate value here. People will fuck up if it gets too complicated.

I also think that TRUE and FALSE not having consistent implications is a feature, not a bug. It's a bunch of info that's impossible to make any sense of until people actually flip, so mafia can't use it to find anyone. The problem with doing this in normal games is that scum can usually narrow the options down considerably and kill the cop after a few nights.

[Chaqa]

waiting for the usual chaqa post where he threatens to sub out and claims hes tired of the same shit being thrown at him every game.

Cliche lazy

Scumlean

[brainbomb]

waiting for the usual chaqa post where he threatens to sub out and claims hes tired of the same shit being thrown at him every game.

Cliche lazy

Scumlean

weird response tho

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Hmm that seems like an incredibly strange post for Dip and War lmao

Which one? The mechanics post or the chaqa post?

both, now that I think about it

[Chaqa]

In other news Chaqa is scum.




The macho cop does not know that they are the macho cop at the start of D1.
##VOTE CHAQA

Damn you really dipped my nachos there

You're caught red handed, you may as well confess now

I confess! It was me!

I stole the cookie from the cookie jar

[snowy801]

Hmm that seems like an incredibly strange post for Dip and War lmao

Which one? The mechanics post or the chaqa post?

both, now that I think about it

Which were you originally indicating?

[Chaqa]

waiting for the usual chaqa post where he threatens to sub out and claims hes tired of the same shit being thrown at him every game.

Cliche lazy

Scumlean

weird response tho

Weird comment to make tho

[sweetandcool]

I say we shoot in the barrel of lurkers

I say we shoot in the barrel of posters who were active at game start. There weren't very many,candy Mafia would be more likely to be around to post at the beginning. I think a high proportion of them are likely scum.

Are you dropping this or not?

Not dropping a very valid point. And before we have another annoying spate of discussing it, I don't care about the whole time zone stuff. It's still a valid point regardless.

[brainbomb]

I feel like rdrivera-will-sweet is a scumteam.

[Chaqa]

For real though Dip seems town and ND seems anti-town

[ghug]

In other news Chaqa is scum.

my role PM said I'm the nacho cop

MACHO COP
The Macho Cop may each night investigate a player to learn their alignment (returning INNOCENT or GUILTY. All non-Town return "GUILTY"). The Macho Cop cannot be protected from nightkills in any way. They receive a generic Cop PM.

*Note that the Addictive Cop, Macho Cop, and Naïve Cop all receive a generic Cop PM, which gives their role info as:

COP
The Cop may each night investigate a player to learn their alignment (returning INNOCENT or GUILTY. All non-Town return "GUILTY").

The macho cop does not know that they are the macho cop at the start of D1.
##VOTE CHAQA

They don't serve machos at Chipotle.

[Chaqa]

I feel like rdrivera-will-sweet is a scumteam.

There’s no way you’re building scum teams already lol

[brainbomb]

I say we shoot in the barrel of posters who were active at game start. There weren't very many,candy Mafia would be more likely to be around to post at the beginning. I think a high proportion of them are likely scum.

Are you dropping this or not?

Not dropping a very valid point. And before we have another annoying spate of discussing it, I don't care about the whole time zone stuff. It's still a valid point regardless.

if there was any curiousity about this read, or you still had it, why is Will not part of it. He was right there at game start. changed his av to match mine. and began pretending to be me also. That seems like the sort of outlandish things he did as mafia two games back where he powerwolfed the whole game into oblivion

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Okay so

Town

kingofthepirates
foodcoats
sweetandcool
ghug
Hamilton Brian
ND
rdrivera2005
snowy801
Chaqa
Vecna
Kakarroto
DrFidelis
worcej
dargorygel
Diplomacy&Warfare
Balki Bartokomous
brainbomb
damo666

Mafia

I can elaborate on whomever. Except Vecna and kak for obvious reasons

[sweetandcool]

##VOTE Dip