Mafia 87: Madness in Mega-City One - GAME THREAD

[DrFidelis]

@Dr. Fidelis

Haaaaaiiii

I <3 you

Seems to lil ole mee that you were very quickk with your vote bae sooo what's your thoughts on this greeeeeeeeeeeeeat game and all these wonderful, super smart, amaaaazing, genius players?

K, thx, byeee

okay one, is this a bit for april fools or something? the day’s passed, you can stop that. two, i was and am still kinda out of it and just voted with wherever weight was being thrown around so that i’d have a voice day 1

[DrFidelis]

I’ll be real this forum setting for mafia makes it hard to stay up to date with what people are discussing when I’m not here reloading the page 24/7

[Balki Bartokomous]

So one more thing if we got through with Balki’s proposed plan:

If we do agree on doing it, everyone should find a completely random way to decide who they are targeting (maybe a random number generator) and maybe flip a coin to decide whether they get innocent or mafia result

The cop would obviously pick whoever they want

This can solve a few things:

That way we can remove any chance of mafia interpreting who people are choosing and the risk involved with keeping them alive

We can also allow a venue for the cop to hide why they selected that person

Personally I am for the plan, if that isn’t clear

I do not agree with this amendment to the plan I proposed.

The problem I see here is that having all non-cops randomize their selections, and all cops make carefully considered selections, may give wolves information about which cops are real. As an example, if there is someone who is an obviously poor target for a Cop to pick, then anyone who picks that target randomly would be (accurately) less likely to be Cop in the eyes of the Wolves.

I don't think there is a problem that would be solved with randomized hypo targets. Between up to 7 wolves picking hypo targets, #realcops picking real targets, and Town!fake!Cops picking targets for unspecified reasons, I don't think that the selected targets are going to help guide Wolf kills too much. I suspect that there will be other considerations that will be much more significant in choosing Wolf kills.

Ooooo....another advantage of this plan, with the #ghugcorollary: If real cop visits Judge Fear, and then dies, we will know after the reveal (and based on the EON post) about the visit. This might help us catch Judge Fear.

It will also help us rule out people for the Judge Fear role. i.e., every time a Cop flips down the road, we will know that everyone they visited was not Judge Fear, unless they visited them the night they died.

[sweetandcool]

I’ll be real this forum setting for mafia makes it hard to stay up to date with what people are discussing when I’m not here reloading the page 24/7

Have you tried the bot yet? It is super helpful.

[kingofthepirates]

Also: anyone particularly sus? you all can make up your own opinions on this, but I hope my naivety is enough to clear me :).

You.

Please discuss.

I don’t think I’ve done anything particularly indicative of being anything other than town. I don’t know anyone’s tells or past behaviors since this is my first game (I’m kinda here just to learn the ropes and have some fun). At the moment, im mainly focused on watching others discuss to try and figure out people’s usual mannerisms. For those suggesting I may be coached: if I were, there is no way I would be this passive and flipping my vote around so often. Logically, those coaching me would probably urge for a strong confident front to support their agenda. I hope my constant voting and unvoting is enough to show my lack of an agenda, and this lack of coaching, and thus my role as town.

[sweetandcool]

Hmmm, assuming the logic is good, Balki is not team Judge.

[sweetandcool]

Also: anyone particularly sus? you all can make up your own opinions on this, but I hope my naivety is enough to clear me :).

You.

Please discuss.

I don’t think I’ve done anything particularly indicative of being anything other than town. I don’t know anyone’s tells or past behaviors since this is my first game (I’m kinda here just to learn the ropes and have some fun). At the moment, im mainly focused on watching others discuss to try and figure out people’s usual mannerisms. For those suggesting I may be coached: if I were, there is no way I would be this passive and flipping my vote around so often. Logically, those coaching me would probably urge for a strong confident front to support their agenda. I hope my constant voting and unvoting is enough to show my lack of an agenda, and this lack of coaching, and thus my role as town.

You seem strangely fixated on disproving the notion that you could be coached.

What do you think has been the most interesting thing about this game? Is there anything that you find confusing so far?

[Balki Bartokomous]

I think the main drawbacks is not helping scum to identify copa but help Angel gang to identify not cops. They are the only one's that can mess with results so they know if result is true or false or twisted. So they can identify who are not cops.
But considering the Judges will be also in this group not sure if it's enough of a reason to not going with this plan.

I think that you are overstating the info that Angels will get from this. There are so many different kinds of cops that seeing a fake result really won't reveal a whole lot. Let's say you are in the Angel gang, and I put down a hypo cop scan on you that says TRUE. That could mean any of the following:

I am Addictive Cop revealing an Innocent scan
I am Macho Cop revealing an Innocent scan
I am Naive Cop revealing an Innocent scan
I am Methodical Cop revealing an Innocent scan
I am Parity Cop revealing a Same scan
I am Vanilla Cop revealing a Vanilla scan
I am SJS Cop revealing a Cop/Judge scan
I am Psychic Cop revealing a Dark scan
I am faking this scan

Even with your knowledge of the game state, you aren't going to be able to tell if I am a real cop or not. And nobody is going to really know what my scan means until I flip (obviously it means nothing if I flip not cop, and it means something very specific when I flip a particular kind of cop).

[Balki Bartokomous]

And another reason this plan is good is because the bad guys are going to fake claim cop in this format! This will put their feet in concrete when they are trying to come up with a fake claim later.

[brainbomb]

The criteria for not appearing to be either mafia team in my mind are

Sound logic
Active engagement
Sincere desire to catch mafia and to catch teams
The desire to find association

Based on that will is alot like last game, and sweet is town being willing to explore an oddity he thinks would catch scum

I think scum can fake all those things. How do you propose to pierce the veil?

@Brain

Haaai baby I hope you are having a faaaannnnntaassstic day at work

While you are here and posting so frequently can you please explain your criteria from waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back on Page 9?
'-Sound logic, -Active Engagement, -Sincere desire to catch mafia and catch teams, -desire to find association'

Seems to lil ole me that a criteria like this could ez peezy be faked
-Ya know, who's to say what sound is or what active is or what sincere is?
-Whose to say that ya know somebooody with a high post count can't be a big meanie and faking it?
-That would make lil ole me sad

Between meetings. Once again, saw both these questions.

Firstly this isnt perfect. Probably alot of criteria to add to this concept. But this is a good starter. If a scum flips being cautious about falsely clearing people. Basing my reads around people who look like they are hunting both teams. Totally hard to do. I cant even articulate how to distinguish between someone hunting for one scum team exclusively. However, someone who just displays a majority of these traits, and also holds up well under a microscope, lacks scummy posts, seems legit. All that would be a good idea.

At some point deciding who has sound judgement is something id hope EVERYONE would do in a mafia game. Even bad guys usually get nervous about people with sound judgement. Volume is probably less important but laying low and blending in would absolutely be a thing for the smaller scumteam that has even less might in the wagon control.

[sweetandcool]

And another reason this plan is good is because the bad guys are going to fake claim cop in this format! This will put their feet in concrete when they are trying to come up with a fake claim later.

That's assuming everyone participated in it.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I know Will won't like, but I don't like this guy play, just for the record.

Um… wdym by this? Like I don’t understand the grammar of this sentence.

My English is bad sometimes, not my first language.

Will said he will defend the newbies, so he could be upset with me suspectingtoy. But I don't like the way you are playing, just following the flow, voting Balki when some people vote him and unvoting when the pressure on him dies.

Valid point.

[Balki Bartokomous]

And another reason this plan is good is because the bad guys are going to fake claim cop in this format! This will put their feet in concrete when they are trying to come up with a fake claim later.

That's assuming everyone participated in it.

No, not really. It will effectively do this the more people participate in it, but it doesn't require 100% participation or even 75% participation. And if the result of this is that the bad guys refuse to partake in order to avoid locking themselves in for potential fake claims down the road...well then, it is about the most effective plan on earth. We vote out the non participants and we win.

[brainbomb]

I think you will find that most people who use sound logic and follow those criteria tend to be townread for those reasons and just how their posts look.

[snowy801]

was in a meeting there and could not reply. I have progressions. I have talked about Hamilton. I mentioned how some of his statements seem odd. I quoted them in page 16. there is not much but his activity level matches where I would expect him to be as mafia.

I also asked snowy why he had hamilton as 1000% for vt claiming.

as for lack of progression on damo. damo made my list recently when I was mentioning low volume people. his posts about balki seems like he isnt reading the game and just wanted an easy thing to jump on to then disappear. it could also mean hes mafia with balki. But overall your assessment is wrong, there isnt alot of progression but its good enough for me.

wasn't serious btw
I just like Brian

[snowy801]

@Brain

Haaai baby I hope you are having a faaaannnnntaassstic day at work

While you are here and posting so frequently can you please explain your criteria from waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back on Page 9?
'-Sound logic, -Active Engagement, -Sincere desire to catch mafia and catch teams, -desire to find association'

Seems to lil ole me that a criteria like this could ez peezy be faked
-Ya know, who's to say what sound is or what active is or what sincere is?
-Whose to say that ya know somebooody with a high post count can't be a big meanie and faking it?
-That would make lil ole me sad

How did ND become worse than before

[ghug]

I'll tell you all a fun story.

I thought the game started an hour later than it actually did. I was confused, I could have sworn it started 3 PST. So I go back and see that when the startime was listed, it correctly gave the time if you are British. But the time for the East Coast and West coast incorrectly indicated the start time (due to daylight savings, I assume).

I assume most people would look at it and if they were in the western hemisphere they would use the incorrect time and be late to the game. However, people in prechat would definitely be ready to post at game start.

Consequently, any players from the West hemisphere who were posting at game start are incredibly suspicious.

Particularly, brainbomb.

##VOTE brainbomb

Upon re-read, I'm giving sweetandcool a bit of town credit for this. I can understand where he's coming from, and he seemed to have some conviction behind it. I don't have super strong feelings about this, but I want to write down a soft town lean here.

Reminder that townie tinfoil is not as good an indicator in games with multiple scumteams. Everyone has a real puzzle to solve.

[ghug]

@Chaqa

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##END

[Balki Bartokomous]

I'll tell you all a fun story.

I thought the game started an hour later than it actually did. I was confused, I could have sworn it started 3 PST. So I go back and see that when the startime was listed, it correctly gave the time if you are British. But the time for the East Coast and West coast incorrectly indicated the start time (due to daylight savings, I assume).

I assume most people would look at it and if they were in the western hemisphere they would use the incorrect time and be late to the game. However, people in prechat would definitely be ready to post at game start.

Consequently, any players from the West hemisphere who were posting at game start are incredibly suspicious.

Particularly, brainbomb.

##VOTE brainbomb

Upon re-read, I'm giving sweetandcool a bit of town credit for this. I can understand where he's coming from, and he seemed to have some conviction behind it. I don't have super strong feelings about this, but I want to write down a soft town lean here.

Reminder that townie tinfoil is not as good an indicator in games with multiple scumteams. Everyone has a real puzzle to solve.

I agree. Everyone has a puzzle to solve and the subtleties of solving as a primary motivation versus blending as a primary motivation may be hard to sort. But I think it's still worth pointing out when a puzzling idea appears genuine.

[ghug]

Is this normal ND behavior or is the uwu exaggerated speak new?

He's normally belligerent and moderately incoherent. Last time he played, he got really mad at everyone for sharing details of their personal lives, so what you're seeing here is a tongue and cheek continuation of that crusade.