Mafia 87: Madness in Mega-City One - GAME THREAD

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Most of darg’s posts are mentioning Balki in some manner

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Honestly I’m so confused

Why are you ALL scummy lmao

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

@sweet when did you first think about the start-time Western Hemisphere thing?

[Balki Bartokomous]

##VOTE Balki, time to party

Hmmm Balki how does it feel to be a judge/angel

##VOTE BALKI

Dang he got caught D1 only an hour in lmao

Balki kinda sus ngl... perhaps he is imposter? Once we eject him, perhaps we may find out? Unless Balki wishes to perform a Visual Task like med scan before the time runs out, I'm afraid I will have to

##VOTE BALKI

##VOTE Balki

I have a feeling this game is going to be incredibly easy for town.

MEAN MACHINE ANGEL
Each night, Mean Machine Angel's power is dependent on the number of votes that were on him at the end of the day which has just taken place:

- If there were 0 votes on him at EoD, he is entirely calm, has no night action, and will scan as if he is a Goon.
- If there were 1 or 2 votes on him at EoD, he may carry out a Night Kill.
- If there were 3 votes on him at EoD, he's Angry, and may carry out a Night Kill which cannot be prevented by any means.
- If there were 4 or more votes on him at EoD, he's in a Frenzy, he may carry out a Night Kill which cannot be prevented by any means, and he is invulnerable to any killing actions that night (including being Ignited, but he is not immune from being Primed).

Balki is first to hit 4 votes, and the wagon completely evaporated.

We may have our first candidate for being the mean machine

So, we either ensure we DK him or have no votes on him.

Let's kill him.

##vote Balki

Can you explain what your theory is or was? Based on your comment, it seems like you understand the rules. Why do you think that an early wagon developing on me and then dissipating means I am likely to be a particular role?

[damo666]

Okay maybe this is dumb but hear me out

Maybe like, a half-hour before EOD, we could pre-vote a target. Whoever has the most votes at 1:30pm PST would be the person we decide to kill. At that point we could ALL vote who we decided on

What if we pick a "mayor" who chooses who we kill?

I vote for ghug to be mayor

[damo666]

Okay maybe this is dumb but hear me out

Maybe like, a half-hour before EOD, we could pre-vote a target. Whoever has the most votes at 1:30pm PST would be the person we decide to kill. At that point we could ALL vote who we decided on

What if we pick a "mayor" who chooses who we kill?

Me

v scummy

##vote snowy

[snowy801]

What if we pick a "mayor" who chooses who we kill?

Me

v scummy

##vote snowy

Think about it
If I'm mafia I 100% know who scum is
There is simply no reason not to vote me for mayor

[sweetandcool]

@sweet when did you first think about the start-time Western Hemisphere thing?

When I joined the game at 3:11ish and was stunned that several pages of posts had been made. I was trying to figure out how I could have gotten it wrong when I knew ages ago that it was supposed to start at 3:00.

So almost immediately.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Ok. Nvm then.

Kotp is the only townread I have

Everyone not listed is null, but food and sweet are high null

Balki, snowy, damo scumreads. Maybe darg as well

[brainbomb]

Snowy,

What do you think of the game so far? you seem to be pretty content with the flow of the game and are even willing to be deemed the mayor. Are there any candidates you would say are off limits at present?

also as a side note, thank you for playing again and I know we have some negative history. Just wanted to let you know that I have tried to refine how I behave and play in these games to not overwhelm threads with too many wild theories. Last several outings I have been alot more focused and usually just try to find some scummy people; and then I tunnel them.

It usually catches 1 mafia. and when I limit myself to three candidates I tend to have better results by staying consistent, and focusing on those people rather than going off into dreamspace. I still butt heads with the usuals like damo, chaqa and Jamie. But it tends to be mostly civil. I will of course afford you the same luxury and not try to talk over you incessantly.

[brainbomb]

[quote="Balki Bartokomous" post_id=390316 time=1712074235 user_id=922

My comment was in response to ideas like elect a mayor or enforce some kinds of manufactured vote one our before deadline. I don’t think those efforts are going to be productive, especially this early, and I want real vote decisions that cannot be explained away by “but you guys told me to do X.”
[/quote]

I dont care about the electing a mayor thing. there are 8 players who havent even voted so we lack alot of data for where people are leaning. The purpose behind controlling the voting wagons is a matter of pretty severe numbers. If we give an extra nightkill out every day, town gets outnumbered really fast.

If someones top scumread is a (1) wagon, as the day wanes on, the player on a (1) wagon should understand the consequences of throwing caution to the wind, going solo and potentially weaponizing a mafia team to get a kill. If this is something we can just avoid by "articulating" why we scumread someone, and then campaign for someone to be the kill, so much of this can be alleviated. There is not alot of free miskills, and you could have 70 cops, and they wont mean shit if the game is tied 7-7 for example.

2 miskills and 2 nightkills basically renders the town in a kingmaker situation.

If this can be avoided, by playing the game, voting, and knowing when to concede a wagon simply is not going to happen, then there is a pretty strong reason to consolidate, and vote for your second best read, or third best read.

Does this make sense?

[Balki Bartokomous]

Balki is first to hit 4 votes, and the wagon completely evaporated.

We may have our first candidate for being the mean machine

So, we either ensure we DK him or have no votes on him.

Let's kill him.

##vote Balki

@Damo Can you explain what your theory is or was? Based on your comment, it seems like you understand the rules. Why do you think that an early wagon developing on me and then dissipating means I am likely to be a particular role?

+1

[dargorygel]

Hey folk
I won't have time today. I will be back tomorrow.
webDiplomacy Site issues are eating my free time.

I think will is scrambling to look busy.
##VOTE JUST

[Balki Bartokomous]

I dont care about the electing a mayor thing. there are 8 players who havent even voted so we lack alot of data for where people are leaning. The purpose behind controlling the voting wagons is a matter of pretty severe numbers. If we give an extra nightkill out every day, town gets outnumbered really fast.

If someones top scumread is a (1) wagon, as the day wanes on, the player on a (1) wagon should understand the consequences of throwing caution to the wind, going solo and potentially weaponizing a mafia team to get a kill. If this is something we can just avoid by "articulating" why we scumread someone, and then campaign for someone to be the kill, so much of this can be alleviated. There is not alot of free miskills, and you could have 70 cops, and they wont mean shit if the game is tied 7-7 for example.

2 miskills and 2 nightkills basically renders the town in a kingmaker situation.

If this can be avoided, by playing the game, voting, and knowing when to concede a wagon simply is not going to happen, then there is a pretty strong reason to consolidate, and vote for your second best read, or third best read.

Does this make sense?

That does make sense.

I am not ruling out that we may have some more strategic methods of voting in the future. We may have a Town Clear, for example, or something else. In those scenarios, it may be advantageous to push for some method of vote consolidation. I agree that, given the existence of Mean Machine, there is a slight higher incentive to have more consolidated wagons than in a separate game.

But right now, I think our best advantage is forcing everyone to make meaningful votes based on their reads of the game. I don't want that to get lost. I don't want to give people excuses not to try to solve, to vote based on their reads, and to justify those votes based on their reads.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Okay anyways Balki can you give me a quick rundown of how you solve

I ask questions. I try to sort stuff that is alignment indicative from stuff that is not alignment indicative. I often make cases if I feel strongly. I dunno what else to say. Watch and see.

[ghug]

Mafia try to appear to genuinely solve and can very often succeed in doing so. This is a weird statement. It feels like non-town Will trying to figure out how to be scum in a three way game.

What Will is describing is a fundamental difference between this game and most games. If he's scum, he almost certainly realized that during night chat and is acting as a townie figuring it out.

Ok what if, and hear me out on this one, I am a townie figuring it out

That's kind of my point. It's either an authentic town thought process or you faking an authentic town thought process. It's not you "trying to figure out how to be scum" out in the open.

[snowy801]

Snowy,

What do you think of the game so far? you seem to be pretty content with the flow of the game and are even willing to be deemed the mayor. Are there any candidates you would say are off limits at present?

also as a side note, thank you for playing again and I know we have some negative history. Just wanted to let you know that I have tried to refine how I behave and play in these games to not overwhelm threads with too many wild theories. Last several outings I have been alot more focused and usually just try to find some scummy people; and then I tunnel them.

It usually catches 1 mafia. and when I limit myself to three candidates I tend to have better results by staying consistent, and focusing on those people rather than going off into dreamspace. I still butt heads with the usuals like damo, chaqa and Jamie. But it tends to be mostly civil. I will of course afford you the same luxury and not try to talk over you incessantly.

I've been mostly playing from the can or on lunch breaks, so I can't say I have too strong an opinion on the game

Which does not mean I should not be the mayor

I like Will and ghug, sus king and balki

I don't like the idea of hypo-claiming every round

It would be weird to have off limit players but I wouldn't vote out vecna or rdrivera out of principle unless something drastic happens

[ghug]

##VOTE Balki, time to party

Hmmm Balki how does it feel to be a judge/angel

##VOTE BALKI

Dang he got caught D1 only an hour in lmao

Balki kinda sus ngl... perhaps he is imposter? Once we eject him, perhaps we may find out? Unless Balki wishes to perform a Visual Task like med scan before the time runs out, I'm afraid I will have to

##VOTE BALKI

##VOTE Balki

I have a feeling this game is going to be incredibly easy for town.

MEAN MACHINE ANGEL
Each night, Mean Machine Angel's power is dependent on the number of votes that were on him at the end of the day which has just taken place:

- If there were 0 votes on him at EoD, he is entirely calm, has no night action, and will scan as if he is a Goon.
- If there were 1 or 2 votes on him at EoD, he may carry out a Night Kill.
- If there were 3 votes on him at EoD, he's Angry, and may carry out a Night Kill which cannot be prevented by any means.
- If there were 4 or more votes on him at EoD, he's in a Frenzy, he may carry out a Night Kill which cannot be prevented by any means, and he is invulnerable to any killing actions that night (including being Ignited, but he is not immune from being Primed).

Balki is first to hit 4 votes, and the wagon completely evaporated.

We may have our first candidate for being the mean machine

So, we either ensure we DK him or have no votes on him.

Let's kill him.

##vote Balki

You agree with brainbomb's assessment?

[snowy801]

If we give an extra nightkill out every day, town gets outnumbered really fast.

It is of course always possible that 2p and 3p nk each other

[brainbomb]

##UNVOTE

I'll hold off for now. let's see how this goes...

I know Will won't like, but I don't like this guy play, just for the record.

What do you not like about his play?
Why does it need to be for the record?
and why does will not liking this vote matter?

If I had to read more into this I would say you townread will, dont wanna annoy him by voting a new player, but you find this new player scummy for some of their posts.

The only part I cant quite summarize is why you said for the record. Like were setting the record straight on something about this?

Whatever you wanna offer to this as a follow up go for it.