M1028: The Sweet Food Consensus - Game Thread

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just look at those post and tell me, aren't those just designed to discredit me? To make me look bad without even responding to the issues I declared?

every fact what I brought up was just dismissed or ignored, my character was questioned, I was ridiculed as a person and a player and no one of you bat an eye. Especially you, bunny, should know that mafia does that when they go for my miskill, you have done it before, in the game with jamie and the pirates! And that wasn't the only time, so why aren't you pointing that out here?

maybe I'm wrong about brain and was fooled and you are town, but all things point to the team just being bunny and d&w, and that this was their overall strategy, or worcejs, to filter the people out that would townread me, filter the people out that would vote for d&w, and then go for my miskill in this phase.

Kak's not really pinging me anymore. I see straightforward attempts to digest and analyze new information.

I do love Kak, but I hate this post. Too many words to say almost nothing. Ghug hammering Jamiet for real of he is scum and Jamiet town could backfire pretty badly a lot better to just let things go.

##vote Kak

I am once again reminded of how generally insane mafia players on this forum are. 10 pages in ~20 hours.
Anyone know what's up with rdivera? Skimming the thread, I found no posts from them and the bot confirmed they have not posted.
ghug, what are you seeing regarding Kakarroto? They seem to be making a lot of jokes. Does that look like a mafia or town play to you?

Day 1 of a mafia game from M40-M80 was like 60-100 pages day 1, at least.
this is a smaller game, with less players, and very little to say setup wise. most of what is happening now is people arguing their beliefs about who the mafia is. none of this is filler. when someone gets accused they fight back, when someone says something crazy people ask questions. this is what content is.

as for your questions, it is super weird people are so fixated on rdrivera. for one thing he hasnt played in a few games but he is always a lurker and always shows up and his absences are never alignment indicative whatsoever.

kakarotto has made very few jokes. can you point me to some examples of his posts where he seems to be making alot of jokes?

Good post from Brain. Not only about me, but also about posts and Kak.

Players who claim to have submitted night votes

brain
rdrivera
damo
ghug
dip

So, with Will as doc it's worcej and Kak. Game solved.

1 rdr brain
2 rdr worcej

distant joint third rdr dip & rdr kak

I'm pretty sure it's rdr with either brain or worcej

There's a slight chance it's brain/worcej but I'm not moving off rdr.

All town should follow me on to rdr.

It would be nice if brain or worcej joined me because that would quasi solve it.

GET ON rdr!

Im not seeing the hordes of dead town who were townreading you kak. can you point me to where damo said you were town? rdr sure didnt say that

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why are you never around to talk to me. it seems like youre avoiding interaction with me also

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Rereading M83 where kak was mafia in final day. and how he spoke in that phase.

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g=83&part=Day%207&user=Kakarroto

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oh come on, my saves DO make sense, I've explained them to you, why don't you understand? I swear, if you vote me because of them, I'll ... I don't know exactly, but you are wrong and my saves are not bad!

I mean, fine, you have some doubts about me, but I did my best to think of how to best use my nurse costume. I hoped I get an unexpected save like worcej did but it didn't pan out. But still it was a good idea!

And I thought RD was hidden enough to be save early on. Maybe I should've targeted him with the save all the way, but it didn't feel like I needed to. You have to give me that at least with that I was correct!

In M83 kak spends most of his energy as mafia working to convince people voting him that his allibi is legitimate. votes piled up on him with 5 hours to go and it seemed like then the game was breaking against him. his tone became flailing, pleading, lots of use of exclamation points to drive his pleas.

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as if you did any better, you didn't even post in four phases! I had work to deal with and caught a fewer during the game, and I always try my best when I'm playing.

And you mean RD? Well sorry if we think alike, I guess that's why he did trust me, but I think for myself, we just come to agree a lot of times. I was against Will when he was for it, so I guess we could've ended the game at that time then, but he believed I was right, so I guess that's my fault.

I mean, you have played enough games with RD and me to know that we often have similar thoughts, right?

As mafia kak will claim to be too busy to catch scum, and then uses the familiarity with play statement here to make the attacker second guess their behavior.

Compare the above quote to this one:

just look at those post and tell me, aren't those just designed to discredit me? To make me look bad without even responding to the issues I declared?

every fact what I brought up was just dismissed or ignored, my character was questioned, I was ridiculed as a person and a player and no one of you bat an eye. Especially you, bunny, should know that mafia does that when they go for my miskill, you have done it before, in the game with jamie and the pirates! And that wasn't the only time, so why aren't you pointing that out here?

maybe I'm wrong about brain and was fooled and you are town, but all things point to the team just being bunny and d&w, and that this was their overall strategy, or worcejs, to filter the people out that would townread me, filter the people out that would vote for d&w, and then go for my miskill in this phase.

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Town Kak in M85

I would to have a big look at it all again. But most information should be from town who wouldn't lie, except for certain scenarios (like sweet claims for fooling mafia).

I had a theory, that all mafia went to the same town, except the nk, but disregarded it after a while. With bob and jamie now, maybe there were more mafia on food? But we might've missed it.

after BK is now conftown, I really begin to doubt my reads, so I might've been wrong on brian and worcej too. Maybe something like the brainbomb theory really happened. Maybe I'm even wrong about you frog. I still think Brian has some very shady messages. But I could misunderstand that as town who just don't like all the big mech stuff and has logged out mentally. I think worcej looks more towny and don't see much mafia there, but I've been fooled before. Just look at my read for Jamie. Heck I do even in a small part of my brain suspect chaqa that he is actually mafia that pushed food at EoD. But there are also town signs from chaqa, so I don't really know anymore (and probably never had).

So I'm really cautious not to make a mistake again, since I was a big part in our misvote there

Has more theories, thinking more about the game in a larger sense. wants to evaluate every player, and give a full range of opinions on them all.

The singular focus on D&W this game seems more like an agenda.

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I know from experience that kak is always around alot more than he lets on when hes mafia. he uses invisible status to watch the game thread and he did this when I was GM. I know he is seeing these messages, I know he is hiding on discord. This game matters to him, and he isnt playing like game is about to end.

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but im not gonna use that against him. it is in the back of my mind however.

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[JustAGuyNamedWill]

@D&W whats ur mafia universe username

[Kakarroto]

No. i am not. But at least one scum is voting kak. And im starting to think it is d&w based on the opportunist manner he did it

I'm glad you're finally begin to see what I preach since the jamie incident. Can we vote him out today so we get at least one mafia before you probably just vote me in the final? I want us to have at least the satisfication of voting one mafia out

You preached that since before the jamiet incident. [...]

this her is just another example of lies and trying to frame me in a bad light. They are prickled in all the post he makes, slowly undercutting whatever I did. This should show you how d&w is trying to get me miskilled for a long time. Again and again just misconstructions and lies for what I've said or done!

I clearly voted damo before. I clearly followed brain on jamie in a try to get more data. And THAT data was what made me think of d&w being mafia, and the continued behaviour of being opportunistic and scewing things, and people who voted and suspected d&w just kept dying.

I had no agenda against d&w, I saw EVIDENCE of him being a bad guy, and since then I tried to open everyones eyes for those things. I hope brain and will will finally get it and see what he tried to do all game, because if not, the game ends when you all vote me out today!

[Kakarroto]

just look at those post and tell me, aren't those just designed to discredit me? To make me look bad without even responding to the issues I declared?

every fact what I brought up was just dismissed or ignored, my character was questioned, I was ridiculed as a person and a player and no one of you bat an eye. Especially you, bunny, should know that mafia does that when they go for my miskill, you have done it before, in the game with jamie and the pirates! And that wasn't the only time, so why aren't you pointing that out here?

maybe I'm wrong about brain and was fooled and you are town, but all things point to the team just being bunny and d&w, and that this was their overall strategy, or worcejs, to filter the people out that would townread me, filter the people out that would vote for d&w, and then go for my miskill in this phase.

Kak's not really pinging me anymore. I see straightforward attempts to digest and analyze new information.

I do love Kak, but I hate this post. Too many words to say almost nothing. Ghug hammering Jamiet for real of he is scum and Jamiet town could backfire pretty badly a lot better to just let things go.

##vote Kak

Day 1 of a mafia game from M40-M80 was like 60-100 pages day 1, at least.
this is a smaller game, with less players, and very little to say setup wise. most of what is happening now is people arguing their beliefs about who the mafia is. none of this is filler. when someone gets accused they fight back, when someone says something crazy people ask questions. this is what content is.

as for your questions, it is super weird people are so fixated on rdrivera. for one thing he hasnt played in a few games but he is always a lurker and always shows up and his absences are never alignment indicative whatsoever.

kakarotto has made very few jokes. can you point me to some examples of his posts where he seems to be making alot of jokes?

Good post from Brain. Not only about me, but also about posts and Kak.

Players who claim to have submitted night votes

brain
rdrivera
damo
ghug
dip

So, with Will as doc it's worcej and Kak. Game solved.

1 rdr brain
2 rdr worcej

distant joint third rdr dip & rdr kak

I'm pretty sure it's rdr with either brain or worcej

There's a slight chance it's brain/worcej but I'm not moving off rdr.

All town should follow me on to rdr.

It would be nice if brain or worcej joined me because that would quasi solve it.

GET ON rdr!

Im not seeing the hordes of dead town who were townreading you kak. can you point me to where damo said you were town? rdr sure didnt say that

ghug was clearly voting WITH me, something he wouldn't normally do with someone he mafreads. and damo had me as a possibility, but put d&w and bunny/worcej as a higher possibility of being mafia, and sure, RD might've maf read me, but I feel like RD didn't townread many others too.

but what about the things d&w said? How about iso them what he actually had to say all the game about me? look at it and see with what attitude he treats me all the time, just belittling everything I have to say about him, ignoring facts I bring up and change what happened. This absolutely feels like he just has an agenda to drive whatever I say meaningless, can't you see that?

[Kakarroto]

why are you never around to talk to me. it seems like youre avoiding interaction with me also

I have a lot to do and are not around all the time. And I talked to you here, when we both were here. It's surly not because I'm avoiding you.

[Kakarroto]

I know from experience that kak is always around alot more than he lets on when hes mafia. he uses invisible status to watch the game thread and he did this when I was GM. I know he is seeing these messages, I know he is hiding on discord. This game matters to him, and he isnt playing like game is about to end.

you are wrong. I don't use invisible status. I do something different when I'm mafia. And discord activates on the strangest things. If you saw something today, it wasn't me because I just about came home and looked in here and stuff what happened and wrote. I don't turn off my computer and I have two cats home, who shouldn't come close to it, but I haven't put a security camera on ... for now.

but back to the game, look at what d&w does when he's dealing with anything I bring to him, he just goes 'bla bla bla' and turns away. Paining my actions in a dark light. That happened to me before, and when people ignored it, we lost, and when we voted out who did it, we won. You have shortly talked about it, but you don't seem to think it's important anymore?

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okay. kak, I think bunny is the better target for today. ill explain why. I think his play is most likely mafia here because he isnt curious about anything.

##Vote bunny

join me and we can probably settle this debate between us. I dont think will would consider D&W today, but bunny is pretty univerally scummy, given what worcej was doing and how worcej played. Their banter could be scum theatre here.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I think being online for discord is NAI because I sometimes call some ppl on discord and some people have dnd or whatever on that so its really not useful.

Also if ur tracking discord activity then you clearly are a stalker

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yea thats a little more complex than that. were in other games that arent mafia.

[Kakarroto]

I would prefer d&w, but b/w sounds fine. ##vote bunny

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I was cautious of you hammering, will, but you were involved in the debate, you described your point of view in this discussion many times, it made sense for you. It felt worse than brain in his crusade, but much less opportunistic than what d&w did there, just slapping on, going from totally uninvolved to nearly ending D1 early. And with you claiming doc at EoD, this all went to the backburner, because now the big question concerning you was, if you fakeclaimed or not.

And I focussed on the cop action, because if everyone but you does it, it's much harder for mafia to guess. Like, with your claim, you were practically a dead man walking, I thought mafia would just vote you out at night. I guess worcej was it that had that RD play in mind and make damo and us misvote

and no one even asked me about my ideas, everyone just practically ignored me or dismissed me, maf read me, I thought you weren't interested. Sorry that I'm just not the type to shout everything out when I feel no one wants that

Italics is NAI

Bold: Kak, the goal of having more than one person choose the doc save is that so only one of : I die, and cop scan is reversed happens. You left the possibility of both in one night on the table and assuming mafia knew rdr was the target, if mafia had realized it, I would be dead. Maybe it wasn’t intentional but two messed up PRs in one turn is not something to be taken lightly.

Underlined: Well I sense that being mafia read is not what typically makes people less interested. And why you didn’t say those theories then, and you didn’t say them now when it was brought up again is pretty weird.