M1028: The Sweet Food Consensus - Game Thread

[worcej]

I’ll say I have submitted a cop scan and objectively believe a cop scan is far superior than a doctor save here

[worcej]

It’s 4-2 currently with an un’cced doctor claim.

By going with a cop scan, this forces scum to have to potentially kill outside of will and keeps a un’cced PR going into the next phase.

If scum miss the cop, the cop can claim with a scan and it becomes far more likely to kill scum and town wins.

Damo ignoring this logic and pushing for a doctor save 100% scums him for me.

[worcej]

The doctor action is also the least efficient option for the remaining town.

We have to submit a save in the group of 6 players and it could most likely be targeting a scum player.

The cop scan action is best because each town player has a pool of 4 (in case of will 5) because you don’t need to submit a scan of will or yourself, as you know those alignments. This makes it so the cop could theoretically have a 50% shot of hitting scum.

Also, again, it puts urgency on the scum to find the cop in the group of 3 potential targets. Any cop scan results would devastatingly swing the likelihood of a win in town’s favor.

Again, Damo should already know all of this and pushing for a doctor save is the best interest of scum. He is scum. QED mofo’s.

[worcej]

And yeah, my math could be wrong on the 50% because the cop could scan themselves, but still if the cop lives and we have 2 PR claims into the next phase, we are solidly setup with information going into KiLo

[worcej]

I guess it's fairly obvious.

I hardclaim cop with a GUILTY on rdr.

I voted to copscan rdr so either somebody else also voted to scan rdr or I broke a tie by virtue of being the cop.

Of course it is a just possible mafia guessed the copscan target but it seems very unlikely to me so we just have to kill rdr. (In the unlikely and unfortunate event rdr is town we would have the benefit of two town clears and the knowledge that we're playing with a tricky scumpair).

I see no reason to not end now.

There is no disadvantage to a long night. Indeed I would argue it gives an advantage because it gives us more time to digest and analyse the result.

Vote rdr and end

like, how are we even listening to him anymore with this shit? Lol

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

Someone please tell me who did this to worcej.... they are suggesting we vote out damo, who has been cleared. Also, "I had a busy weekend" is not a good reason for playing badly - if you make the commitment to playing, then don't fulfill that time commitment, that's on you. This is at best very, very bad town play and probably mafia play.

[worcej]

Let’s entertain the fact that damo is cop and the scum correctly got lucky that the cop scan fired off on rdr, thus was inverted.

This would finger one of kak or BB immediately to me because they are the only ones would know that rdr is commonly selected for PR actions. I didn’t read the setup closely, but I am fairly confident that scum cannot influence the PR actions and only town players can. Of the two, I believe BB to be the better candidate of scumness.

FWIW, N1 I submitted a cop scan vote for BB as target. D&W claims a scan too, but not rdr. Ghug could’ve done scan on rdr - it would make sense.

[worcej]

Someone please tell me who did this to worcej.... they are suggesting we vote out damo, who has been cleared. Also, "I had a busy weekend" is not a good reason for playing badly - if you make the commitment to playing, then don't fulfill that time commitment, that's on you. This is at best very, very bad town play and probably mafia play.

He is un’cced, not cleared yet.

[worcej]

Someone please tell me who did this to worcej.... they are suggesting we vote out damo, who has been cleared. Also, "I had a busy weekend" is not a good reason for playing badly - if you make the commitment to playing, then don't fulfill that time commitment, that's on you. This is at best very, very bad town play and probably mafia play.

I want to pull a Jaime and tell you off here because it’s pathetic to imply I am using real life as an excuse for poor play. If I play poorly, it’s because I am playing poorly regardless of time.

Real life > an internet forum game.

[worcej]

And if you think I would play poorly as scum here and trip on my own dick with lack of information, you clearly don’t know my meta.

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

Let’s entertain the fact that damo is cop and the scum correctly got lucky that the cop scan fired off on rdr, thus was inverted.

This would finger one of kak or BB immediately to me because they are the only ones would know that rdr is commonly selected for PR actions. I didn’t read the setup closely, but I am fairly confident that scum cannot influence the PR actions and only town players can. Of the two, I believe BB to be the better candidate of scumness.

FWIW, N1 I submitted a cop scan vote for BB as target. D&W claims a scan too, but not rdr. Ghug could’ve done scan on rdr - it would make sense.

If damo wasn't cop, the real cop would've come out by now and revealed themselves, in doing so revealing damo as mafia. If damo is cop, then mafia definitely correctly guessed the copscan of rdr.

The mafia can influence PR actions. Aside from the reversed PR thing, they can choose one player and change who that player votes for being targeted by a PR, but not which PR's action that player votes for.
This means that scum probably guessed you, me, or someone else who was voting copscan on someone and changed it, allowing them to break a tie. That would require at least one other player to vote copscan rdr though, or for them to change damo's vote to rdr so the cop vote would tiebreak.

[worcej]

Let’s entertain the fact that damo is cop and the scum correctly got lucky that the cop scan fired off on rdr, thus was inverted.

This would finger one of kak or BB immediately to me because they are the only ones would know that rdr is commonly selected for PR actions. I didn’t read the setup closely, but I am fairly confident that scum cannot influence the PR actions and only town players can. Of the two, I believe BB to be the better candidate of scumness.

FWIW, N1 I submitted a cop scan vote for BB as target. D&W claims a scan too, but not rdr. Ghug could’ve done scan on rdr - it would make sense.

If damo wasn't cop, the real cop would've come out by now and revealed themselves, in doing so revealing damo as mafia. If damo is cop, then mafia definitely correctly guessed the copscan of rdr.

The mafia can influence PR actions. Aside from the reversed PR thing, they can choose one player and change who that player votes for being targeted by a PR, but not which PR's action that player votes for.
This means that scum probably guessed you, me, or someone else who was voting copscan on someone and changed it, allowing them to break a tie. That would require at least one other player to vote copscan rdr though, or for them to change damo's vote to rdr so the cop vote would tiebreak.

Incorrect on the CC - it would come EoN to possibly get another scan off.

[worcej]

Let’s entertain the fact that damo is cop and the scum correctly got lucky that the cop scan fired off on rdr, thus was inverted.

This would finger one of kak or BB immediately to me because they are the only ones would know that rdr is commonly selected for PR actions. I didn’t read the setup closely, but I am fairly confident that scum cannot influence the PR actions and only town players can. Of the two, I believe BB to be the better candidate of scumness.

FWIW, N1 I submitted a cop scan vote for BB as target. D&W claims a scan too, but not rdr. Ghug could’ve done scan on rdr - it would make sense.

If damo wasn't cop, the real cop would've come out by now and revealed themselves, in doing so revealing damo as mafia. If damo is cop, then mafia definitely correctly guessed the copscan of rdr.

The mafia can influence PR actions. Aside from the reversed PR thing, they can choose one player and change who that player votes for being targeted by a PR, but not which PR's action that player votes for.
This means that scum probably guessed you, me, or someone else who was voting copscan on someone and changed it, allowing them to break a tie. That would require at least one other player to vote copscan rdr though, or for them to change damo's vote to rdr so the cop vote would tiebreak.

Again, you’re assuming that scum got lucky on guessing Rdr and even luckier on picking one of us to vote rdr over the rest of the herd?

Probably is an issue with game size, but if this all did happen, then the setup was pretty scumsided with the ability to influence the actions so easily in a game with such short amount of phases.

[worcej]

Let’s entertain the fact that damo is cop and the scum correctly got lucky that the cop scan fired off on rdr, thus was inverted.

This would finger one of kak or BB immediately to me because they are the only ones would know that rdr is commonly selected for PR actions. I didn’t read the setup closely, but I am fairly confident that scum cannot influence the PR actions and only town players can. Of the two, I believe BB to be the better candidate of scumness.

FWIW, N1 I submitted a cop scan vote for BB as target. D&W claims a scan too, but not rdr. Ghug could’ve done scan on rdr - it would make sense.

I also already covered this discussion already - BB or Kak have to be scum here because they're legacy players would would know that rdr had good odds of being targeted with a cop action.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Welp i guess the safe bet is to kill brain.

Who woulda thought?

[worcej]

"Clears"
Will
damo

"Unknowns"
BB
D&W - N1 Cop scan himself
Kak
worcej - N1 Cop scan BB

It's unlikely rdr voted for a cop scan of himself on N1.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I night one voted for a doc save of me per ghug’s request

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

At this point no one has counter claimed my doc status. If anyone were to do so now or later, it is extremely obvious that they are the mafia and were trying to set something up.

The real doc would’ve sacrificed themself to get me killed.

If they cc at KiLo, then it is obvious they are mafia.

So atm I am the only true clear, because its possible damo could be lying.

[damo666]

At this point no one has counter claimed my doc status. If anyone were to do so now or later, it is extremely obvious that they are the mafia and were trying to set something up.

The real doc would’ve sacrificed themself to get me killed.

If they cc at KiLo, then it is obvious they are mafia.

So atm I am the only true clear, because its possible damo could be lying.

If I were lying the real cop could cc.

[damo666]

Re-reading my post, I realize it might be seen as passive aggressive. That's not my intention. My intention is to point out that your list is very innacurate.
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Btw N1 I voted copscan=me.

Please no one reveal

I assume you mean N2. I said that during Night 1 I voted copscan me.

D&W was putting worcej as even townier than themself on their reads.

So I dunno; worcej needs to play

That was before rdr died and damo got cleared. I do agree, though, that worcej needs to play.

My order of paring from most likely downwards

bra wor
bra kak
wor kak
bra d&w
wor d&w
kak d&w

On a reread I've eliminated the pairings in red.

This indicates worcej MUST BE SCUM.

I think it's

wor bra > wor kak >>>>>>> wor dip

We must kill worcej tomorrow.

Any body who doesn't vote worcej tomorrow should be suspected. That is, I am forcing worcej partner to bus.

With regard to the night votes, as scum now know both PRs, they can mess with my scan and redirect Will's save, so we are pretty useless. However, don't forget it's compulsory even though it's useless.

Presumably the next two night kills will be me and Will so assuming worcej is tomorrow's kill we will be going into D4 with bra, dip & kak. I think a lot of weight will be on your shoulders to make the right choice dip!

Can I inquire why you removed the ones in red? Are you removing them because you're sure worcej is scum or are there other reasons?



Night PR vote submitted.

The ones in red I eliminated due to a reread taking into account interreactions. It just so happens all the remaining ones include worcej, hence worcej must be scum. I didn't pre-assume worcej was scum.