M1028: The Sweet Food Consensus - Game Thread

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Why, thank you, Polly Prissy Pants. How nice of you.

Why are you talking to yourself?

##VOTE Jamie

Bold prediction: he’s going to switch to me once he sees I voted him

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Can I get to 100 posts by EOD?

fluffing post count was your goal last game also. you were very determined to be high volume at all times and beat me in posting.

##vote will

I will say I always speak my mind in mafia, no matter how much or how little it is, as any alignment.

Cop/VT/Mafia, whatever

[ghug]

Behold:

You're implying brain is not on your team.
You have disagreed with me, brain, and will. We are obviously not all mafia. It could be that two of us are mafia and the other one is simply a town who got this wrong, but brain and will are smart enough and overanalyze enough that neither of them is likely to have been fooled completely, definitely not both, and while it's valid that I could have been fooled by mafias brain and will, that option requires two of the three biggest posters conveniently being mafia.
I offer three explanations someone who is not me, you, brain, or will might come to in this situation:
A: Brain and Will are mafia, while you are town. I am an idiot who has no idea what I'm doing and am suspicious of you for no good reason. As discussed above, this is extremely convenient for you to claim and also very ludicrous for anyone to believe. Also,

B: You are Mafia. At the start of the game, you tried to immediately implicate me to hopefully get a votekill on a town in the first day. Brain and will got suspicious of you, and your defensive attitude is a result of being concerned we will votekill you.
C: You are a town who was suspicious of me for a frankly bad reason and then got defensive because brain and will were being aggressive. Yes, you were being defensive. Yes, brain and will were being aggressive. Meanwhile, two quiet players like rdr are watching us argue over misunderstandings.

You (for viewers, this is addressed to jamiet), will, brain and I should probably consider the possibility it is C. We may have spent the last ten pages arguing over a misunderstanding. Having said that, you have been really unhelpful this game and with a good chance you are mafia, I still think we should vote you out.
(For reference I voted for jamiet)
##END

This is better work and I appreciate you putting in effort. You are however jumping to conclusions.

I did not imply that Brainbomb was not on my team.

Your option C is the closest to the right answer.

You have been arguing with brain for the last 10 pages. Also, I messed up one of the quotes I cited above by removing some of the context. My bad. Here is the full quote:

1. Jamiet99uk
2. JustAGuyNamedWill
3. ghug
4. worcej
5. Diplomacy&Warfare
6. Rdrivera2005
7. Damo666
8. brainbomb
9. Kakarroto

Oh, I meant on my team.

This kind of implies brain is not on your team. Combined with the extensive amount of arguing against everything brain said, this made me think you thought brain was mafia.

My impressions of everyone so far:
jamiet: aggressive, possibly mafia. Hates me.
Will: townlean, very actively posting
ghug: posts somewhat often but hasn't actually contributed much.
worcej: On a business trip
Dip&War: Has unpopular opinions about burger
rdr: Slow reader
damo: Similar to ghug, posting often but not contributing much
brain: similar to Will, townlean and posting actively
Kak: Relaxed, posts more jokingly and less seriously. Did vote though.
Ghug and damo have been playing very similarly, so if jamiet's not mafia it might be them. Nobody except brain, will, jamiet and me(?) has done much investigating.
Thoughts on any of this except my opinions on burgers?

I do not hate you. I don't even know who you are. Don't be so self-obsessed.

Active posting from Will is not a towntell. He actively posted in his recent, very high-performance, scum game.

Hmm. Interesting. So you think will is mafia, and judging by your other quote, probably not brain as well? That's possible. Will could be instigating an argument.
##UNEND

ghug, what's your opinion on kak and rdr? Townleans or mafialeans?
kak, what's your opinion on ghug and rdr? Townleans or mafialeans?
rdr, what's your opinion on ghug and kak? Townleans or mafialeans?

Kak's not really pinging me anymore. I see straightforward attempts to digest and analyze new information.

rd still hasn't done anything notable and I'm always in favor of killing him once the player count gets into single digits (7 now).

Kak and rd both gave partial answers to these questions shortly before you asked them. Why did you feel the need to ask again?

[ghug]

Who is the king of the potato people?

Brian Boru.

[ghug]

Is this because hes pushing a scum sided agenda
Or…
Because he didnt read
Or..

Show me the ghugwae

My first vote is typically an expression of respect.

Pointing out that all sorts of conspiracy theories about flying under the radar or deliberate vote masking aside, probably not something ghug would ever do; the reason for why this vote existed for 19 hours was never explained.

He voted here out of "respect"?
Key posts:

Youve never voted for me first.

My ultimate goal here is to get everyone stumbling over themselves to get to catch my first vote.

It's probably just worcej/Kak.

I think theres alot of really empty posts by ghug. and the way he answers questions is also a bit confusing:

Ghug, you silly old space cube.

Did you deliberately post this vote in an invalid format, or did you not realise?

I wanted to call him Will.

poker

I don't think one joke vote is gonna force worcej to claim PR (should he be one).

He's done it before.

##VOTE rdr

Let's scare him when he shows up.

Everything feels so playful and lacking any bite. All of these answers sort of put an agenda out there, but doesnt actually reinforce it with anything of real substance.

worcej has pr claimed before
lets scare rdr
lets vote will because I respect will
and because I like saying will instead of his bot name


Page 12 posts by ghug are actually more fleshed out and seem to open up more about his thoughts on why Jamie is just super town to him. Even at Jamies height of outburst however ghug is still standing by jamie just being frustrated town.

Ghug, your opinion on current events?

Is "irritated" an opinion?

The consistent indirect answers to questions is somewhat scummy.

You are? Or he is?

Yes.

Oh fuck I could actually hammer Jamie D1. That'd be hilarious.

This post could be especially valuable later depending on how ghug flips.

I have a slight scumlean here and this could be a useful day 1 flip

This sucks in general but specifically I never said Jamie was super town. I thought he looked the scummiest coming out of the dumb seven exchange, just not for the reasons you did, and I said as much.

[brainbomb]

the most problematic thing about scum ghug is that everything he does is meant to make it impossible to know which player is his teammate. it is never obvious. you literally have to research by ignoring his possible connections to find his teammate.

So killing ghug day 1 and him flipping scum is actually probably just gonna make the game super hard lol.

but hes mafia and im staying here.

[ghug]

you are excessively defensive, which is a trait more common to your scumgame as well. where you hone in on argument loops to keep them going relentlessly because thats how you know people here identify you incorrectly as *angry jamie*

This is just false.

[ghug]

this can all be solved by you rereading my ghug case and weighing in on it. that would give you a nice break from having to fight with will also

Sure.

Ghug is often light hearted and light in substance on D1 as any alignment. Your case on him is largely based on noticing things which I consider NAI for D1 Ghug.

There you go.

I actually don’t agree with this. After page 12 of M86, Ghug has ~80% of his posts trying to actually win and play the game.

This game he seems absent, even when he’s here. His posts seem to drag on and needlessly elongate the thread (which is ironic cuz I do the same, but it’s suspicious because Ghug usually doesn’t)

I'm always pretty high on the post count:game content ratio. I work hard, but I also play hard.

I haven't expressed any strong townreads yet because I don't have any, which I can maybe see you reading as scummy.

[brainbomb]

im working through the least obvious pairings with ghug and its like those are the actual most likely answer because of the fact they are the least likely


1. ghug-rdr
2. ghug-damo
3. ghug-kak
4. ghug-will

ghugs posts about Jamie come more from white knighting than from w/w relationship

ghug posts naming both worcej/kak as the answer makes it more likely to be kak than worcej based on kaks pushes

ghug damo makes sense only if damo is just trying to do what he does as town and make it seem like ghug is his top town buddy

ghug will makes sense only if will just is following me around anywhere I go, even onto his teammate because his only goal is to confuse me and throw off my scent. doubting that but meh, who knows.


the others like ghug scum w D&W seems boring, unlikely?

[ghug]

My townreads at the moment are Rdrivera and Dave&Buster's

ghug is voting rdrivera to scare him.

Ghug also doesn’t have a track record for joke vote past ~Page 9

Man you don't know me

[ghug]

His last two games, the ones I checked, he didn’t really joke vote other than bona on page 8 and when he was caught scum.

Ok take this logic a step further:

I was scum in one of those games. If you're concluding I'm different from both of them, how does that mean I'm scum?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

ghug is voting rdrivera to scare him.

Ghug also doesn’t have a track record for joke vote past ~Page 9

Man you don't know me

Based on what I’ve seen at least, yes

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

His last two games, the ones I checked, he didn’t really joke vote other than bona on page 8 and when he was caught scum.

Ok take this logic a step further:

I was scum in one of those games. If you're concluding I'm different from both of them, how does that mean I'm scum?

this point I’m making here is mainly trying to prove that you feel ‘off’, not scum

But caught scum is different than trying to hide scum

[ghug]

Unrelated thought, but many ghug joke voted rdr in order to lurk and then cast his ‘actual’ vote later on in the day.

If he had cast a real vote and then changed it, it would be suspicious. But since he joke voted then vanished, he has an alibi for voting whoever he wants.

My vote on rdr was real. I would be open to moving back to him. Humorously, my current vote is a joke.

[brainbomb]

when you do all these joke votes and trophy votes
what do you expect scum aligned people to do that town aligned people wont do

[ghug]

##vote just

You can’t be serious.

100%

Nothing I've seen from you makes me think you're town.

I get the vibe that Will is really trying to solve here, he's just bad at it. This is a vibe I did not get last game, which I should have listened to more.

brain's pushes on me and Jamie are much more suspect in my mind. Much less Charlie at the whiteboard with the string and the pictures and much more agendaed consistency than I'm used to.

[ghug]

His last two games, the ones I checked, he didn’t really joke vote other than bona on page 8 and when he was caught scum.

Ok take this logic a step further:

I was scum in one of those games. If you're concluding I'm different from both of them, how does that mean I'm scum?

this point I’m making here is mainly trying to prove that you feel ‘off’, not scum

But caught scum is different than trying to hide scum

I wasn't caught for much of that game. I was townread enough to win a mechanical 1v1 with a townie.

[ghug]

when you do all these joke votes and trophy votes
what do you expect scum aligned people to do that town aligned people wont do

Nothing specific. D1 is like making a pearl. You need a grain of sand to start the growth, so you just do shit that slowly becomes real.

[ghug]

##VOTE brainbomb

[brainbomb]

when you do all these joke votes and trophy votes
what do you expect scum aligned people to do that town aligned people wont do

Nothing specific. D1 is like making a pearl. You need a grain of sand to start the growth, so you just do shit that slowly becomes real.

which vote of yours ever became real