This doesn't refute the fact that it is a life. It is an earlier stage of life, yes, and one which can only move on to a later stage with outside aid from a specific individual. That doesn't mean it isn't alive.JECE wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 10:20 pmNo, I was not telling you that your so-called "new life" is a disease. Parasitism is a biological term for a certain type of symbiotic relationship. This isn't about "outside aid" or the "the necessity for support from others". (As a socialist, I believe in the moral imperative for society to support and aid children.) Your so-called "new life" isn't a child; it can only turn into a child in the womb of a single individual, who should be free to choose whether or not they want a child.CaptainFritz28 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 8:34 pmSo what you are telling me is that new life is a disease. Gotcha.
A baby, already born, cannot survive without outside aid. A child in the womb cannot survive without outside aid. Most kids in America cannot survive without outside aid. What you call parasitism I call the necessity for support from others. That doesn't mean that a child in the womb isn't still a separate life.
Abortion is a social justice issue, and I advocate for the prevention of unnecessary deaths by the abolition of it. That is a social justice issue just as much as any of the others on your list.JECE wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 10:20 pmSocial justice issues? I'm pointing to the fact that life is life. It's curious how you seem to care so much about what you call "new life" but choose to label the prevention of unnecessary deaths as "social justice issues".CaptainFritz28 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 8:34 pmI don't care what makes the cut or not. Your list of social justice issues is irrelevant to the fact that new life is new life.JECE wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 8:24 pm2. Cherishing the value of human life is fundamental to my political beliefs and moral compass. That's why I oppose capital punishment (1), torture (2), enforced disappearances (3), war crimes (4), poverty (5), maternal mortality (6), gun ownership (7), police brutality (8), structural racism (9) and the current genocide in Gaza (10). Abortion doesn't make the cut.
(1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_United_States
(2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_interrogation_techniques
(3) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition
(4) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes
(5) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_and_health_in_the_United_States
(6) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maternal_mortality_in_the_United_States
(7) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States
(8) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_brutality_in_the_United_States
(9) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Societal_racism#In_the_United_States
(10) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide
My point here was to say simply that you hold a double standard. It doesn't matter what you do or don't support; a life destroyed by abortion is the same as a life destroyed in Gaza, by poverty or police brutality, or by any other means. Life is life.