Mafia 86: Accidents Happen... - Game Thread

[BunnyGo]

Now…I have to go read to a very cute 7 year old.

And then:

[bozotheclown]

Can you help me with a case on/against either?

Oh yeah. Maybe I should vote you.

##vote sweet

I think this sequence makes you more likely to be mafia than damo. However, I am going to assume that sweetandcool and Hamilton would not both choose to bus you D1.

What was the D2 thing wrt BunnyGo

Well, you're wrong about me being scum, so I guess my hope is you get night-killed tonight so that we don't have to do another miskill for you to re-appraise the situation.

Ghug, Food, Chaqa... who is next?

I preferred to find out about you before ghug until he insisted you were town, I thought he might have been pocketing you.

You said I was bad reading you, but you have still not provided an explanation for scum reading me D2.

Can you give an updated take tonight on chaqa and bunnygo

I get the feeling this is Frogsterking trying to line up BunnyGo as the final mis-kill need to win.

[BunnyGo]

Can we hammer the night please.

Done

[BunnyGo]

Hmm.

The choice of RBing bozo and killing him is a strange one:

1) if it works, town has no clears
2) if it doesn’t work, town definitely has 2 clears
3) it doesn’t RB someone else to clear them…but we’d also suspect a gambit.

This feels like one of:

1) a play from desperation. Scum thinks they’re losing if there are 2 clears and they need to hope there isn’t
2) a play of caution to avoid giving a third clear
3) a play by someone who doesn’t compute odds/end game analysis


We’re bozo not already clear, I think it’d clear him. I wonder about it clearing others.

[BunnyGo]

*were

[bozotheclown]

N5, Frogsterking brought up my suspecting BunnyGo because of Hamilton's D2 EOD vote:

D2 EOD Hamilton volunteered to get flipped first. This could have been an attempt to sound like town, but in the last minute of D2, he changed his vote from BunnyGo to Frogsterking, and it was only 3 seconds after foodcoats voted for Hamilton to break the tie between Hamilton and BunnyGo, and only 9 seconds after BunnyGo voted for Hamilton:

##vote ham

Bleh

##VOTE Hamilton Brian

##Vote Frog

Hamilton likely did not know what the exact vote was, but he would have know changing his vote from BunnyGo to Frogsterking would make it more likely he would get DKed over BunnyGo, which does not make any sense unless BunnyGo is mafia.

Also, the mafia had to be concerned about the PRs, and Hamilton not only let himself get DKed but voted to make it happen without making a PR claim to try to force a CC. sweetandcool also missed an opportunity to claim a PR D1 when BunnyGo was his counter wagon.

##VOTE BunnyGo

This was the post I was looking for

However, D3, when Frogsterking was pushing for a mis-kill of me, he commented on what I was saying about it, dismissing it as me "trying to manufacture a scum read on BunnyGo":

I think it's a plausible explanation but I also got the vibe that Hamilton actually thought Frog was viable, which you seem to disagree with.

Question for you: I was the only one pushing Frog. Do you think Hamilton would pick his teammate's push in that situation?

Not particularly likely, but neither was Hamilton voting to get himself DKed. Frogsterking had no votes and Hamilton voted with 48 second left in D2. Even if Hamilton did not know the vote count, he was told what the wagons were, so why would he think there was a better chance of Frogsterking being the DK than BunnyGo?

Frame job, not paying attention, spite vote or hoping for a flash wagon. I take it you are trying to manufacture a scum read on BunnyGo now?

Using what I posted D3 to scum read me D3, then trying to use the same post to keep me suspecting BunnyGo N5, seems scum indicative.

[BunnyGo]

Hmm.

The choice of RBing bozo and killing him is a strange one:

1) if it works, town has no clears
2) if it doesn’t work, town definitely has 2 clears
3) it doesn’t RB someone else to clear them…but we’d also suspect a gambit.

This feels like one of:

1) a play from desperation. Scum thinks they’re losing if there are 2 clears and they need to hope there isn’t
2) a play of caution to avoid giving a third clear
3) a play by someone who doesn’t compute odds/end game analysis


We’re bozo not already clear, I think it’d clear him. I wonder about it clearing others.

We’ve gotten SO LITTLE since the EOD2. Basically the only info we have is the RB and kill attempts.

[damo666]

I think I'm leaning towards Frog rather than Will.

Assuming I'm right about Bunny and you don't stupidly mk me then if Bozo survives the night we got two bites so will win.

[BunnyGo]

I think I'm leaning towards Frog rather than Will.

Assuming I'm right about Bunny and you don't stupidly mk me then if Bozo survives the night we got two bites so will win.

I agree.

You’re second after froggy.

[bozotheclown]

ghug pointed out that Hamilton's vote could be distancing from Frogsterking, which I think is why Frogsterking would want to dismiss it as me fabricating a case on BunnyGo.

[damo666]

I think I'm leaning towards Frog rather than Will.

Assuming I'm right about Bunny and you don't stupidly mk me then if Bozo survives the night we got two bites so will win.

I agree.

You’re second after froggy.

If I were scum I'd have voted you instead of sweet.

[BunnyGo]

I think I'm leaning towards Frog rather than Will.

Assuming I'm right about Bunny and you don't stupidly mk me then if Bozo survives the night we got two bites so will win.

I agree.

You’re second after froggy.

If I were scum I'd have voted you instead of sweet.

Would you?

You like playing with me.

[bozotheclown]

Well, I think it's you. If it isn't you, Will or Frog.

I don't think it's Bunny.

Thank you.

I hope it's not Frog.

It isn't.

@bozo

I'm going to repost the D2 thing tell me if it's become more or less relevant now

This is suspicious, first because of the way Frogsterking dismissed my theory D3, and second because Frogsterking is trying to get me to make a case on BunnyGo after I pushed for the mis-kills of ghug, foodcoats, and Chaqa as a town clear. Frogsterking may have not gone for the doctor N5 to keep me around counting on me to push for BunnyGo next.

[bozotheclown]

I agree.

You’re second after froggy.

If I were scum I'd have voted you instead of sweet.

Would you?

You like playing with me.

I believe damo.

[damo666]

I agree.

You’re second after froggy.

If I were scum I'd have voted you instead of sweet.

Would you?

You like playing with me.

That may be so but with the score you 3 sweet 3 me 2 I'd have to vote you.

[bozotheclown]

##vote frog

What the fuck are you doing?

##vote frog

Are you insane?

5 players voted for Frogsterking D1 in M85, and he basically just ignored the votes. I think shouting down any votes on him is a scum ploy.

[bozotheclown]

I think I'm leaning towards Frog rather than Will.

Assuming I'm right about Bunny and you don't stupidly mk me then if Bozo survives the night we got two bites so will win.

I agree.

You’re second after froggy.

Let's just vote for Frogsterking D7, if we are wrong we can always blame it on ghug.

[damo666]

I think I'm leaning towards Frog rather than Will.

Assuming I'm right about Bunny and you don't stupidly mk me then if Bozo survives the night we got two bites so will win.

I agree.

You’re second after froggy.

Let's just vote for Frogsterking D7, if we are wrong we can always blame it on ghug.

Lol

[BunnyGo]

I agree.

You’re second after froggy.

Let's just vote for Frogsterking D7, if we are wrong we can always blame it on ghug.

Lol

Or Bunny (ME!)

[damo666]

Let's just vote for Frogsterking D7, if we are wrong we can always blame it on ghug.

Lol

Or Bunny (ME!)

OK