Mafia 86: Accidents Happen... - Game Thread

[bozotheclown]

@bozo do you intend to send a night hammer?

No, sorry.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Ahahah not happening damo!

1 e4 e5
2 Nf3 Nc6
3 d4 exd4
4 Nxd4 Bc5
5 c3 Nxd4
6 cxd4 Bb4+
7 Nc3 Qh4
8 ILLEGAL

Nvm that’s not a legal move.

Qf3

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

@bozo do you intend to send a night hammer?

No, sorry.

UUUUUUAAAAAH COME ON

[bozotheclown]

You've voted Sweet in your past few games with them and you've been correct every time?

One time we were teammates, but I think it's 2 for 2 outside of that?

So we have two different players in this game with a proven track record on reading sweet--ghug and will--claiming that sweet is polarized and that they are in their scum meta?

Did you find them on D1 or was it later in the game?

That changes things a fair bit for me.

Frogsterking could have decided to go from distancing sweetandcool to bussing him after determining sweetandcool was not likely to last long in the game.

[Chaqa]

@bozo do you intend to send a night hammer?

No, sorry.

You do understand it's very frustrating to the rest of us?

[Frogsterking]

This is only Frogsterking's second game here, and M85 ended early. I think you and ghug could be reading him correctly.

This is a good summary of the paranoia surrounding my slot. Very "fear of the unknown" and "fear of the unexpected" with observations then looked for to justify that line of thinking. In a different game I could see it being a more influential factor, in this game you can see that I am unlikely to be scum based on D1. Ghug's read on me requires both that I have "cleanest busser" in my scum range and that I would choose to put my team into potential autoloss territory when I apparently have the scum range to do...anything else. Bunny's interpretation of how my behavior can be scum motivated is that I am "freezing up and panicking." Darg's interpretation of how my behavior can be scum motivated is the opposite. Darg believes I am cool as a cucumber and any humor for example is an attempt to "win them over." This seems intrinsically unlikely to be true as again, if I were so calculating and my scum range were so omnipresent, how is it efficient to go from "intensity" to "light humor" in a way that both requires a more extensive dramatic range but also causes players to be more suspicious of me? Why not just say nothing at all? Or use this presumably omnipotent range to say something banal or innocuous?

Clearly the mark of a truly skilled scum player, actor and master manipulator is to kill their godfather D1 and then draw suspicion in a way that requires wasting a lot of energy on posts that are unlikely to get me town read or further my own win condition. Truly the mark of a legend.

[bozotheclown]

Damo, will and I are obvious town by pretty much any standard of measurement.

Vecna is probably town because of their position on the d1 wagons.

Hamilton brian and foodcoat are probably town who scum want to use as cannon fodder. Town lean both.

Brain and jamie are town on play. I'm a little more skeptical of brain because I don't know how strong their scum range is, I have brain as town lean though.

Bozo and bunny are town based on play, I'm not super confident on either but I'm at least confident enough to keep out of my kill list. I think they are just fancy play style townies so kind of hard to read but still +town.

-kill below here-

Chaqa
Garg
Ghug

I have chaqa at null. I'm skeptical enough to be worth limming them. The thing with chaqa is that their wagon position is pretty good, so to believe chaqa is scum then you need to believe chaqa!scum is willing to throw sweet under the bus in cold blood. I think it's a possibility so I think they are worth eliminating.

Garg and ghug I think are scum. Heart was scummy D1 based on play and ghug was incredibly suspicious and opportunistic the way they played around sweet and bunny with not only their words but most importantly, their votes. I think heart missed the deadline so scum didn't have the numbers to prevent the flashwagon on sweet. I think ghug was trying to distance from sweet D1 and didn't actually want to kill them. At the last possible second ghug threw their vote onto sweet because ghug didn't want to let the godfather be eliminated without milking town cred from the flip.

This is the post ghug disliked so much. Besides what ghug said, I think the part about Chaqa's wagon position being good is off, because sweetandcool was likely to be the DK already. I think this post has a lot of pocketing potential to pocket everyone except ghug and heart. I was probably pocketed by Frogsterking correctly town reading me D1 after correctly scum reading me D1 in M85.

[BunnyGo]

@bozo do you intend to send a night hammer?

No, sorry.

You do understand it's very frustrating to the rest of us?

Were I scum, I’d not end. But I’d also lie and say I did

[Frogsterking]

@bozo do you intend to send a night hammer?

No, sorry.

You do understand it's very frustrating to the rest of us?

@bozo do you intend to send a night hammer?

No, sorry.

UUUUUUAAAAAH COME ON

I'll change mine to not end

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

No, sorry.

You do understand it's very frustrating to the rest of us?

Were I scum, I’d not end. But I’d also lie and say I did

Its an unfortunate circumstance of the game. I wish it were ‘all but one’, but there are logistical problems with that, like a scum not being able to submit their NK

[Frogsterking]

I'm assuming you are working through different alternatives right now bozo rather tinfoiling yourself. When you are ready to find the scum then I'm curious what you think about a few different slots.

[bozotheclown]

This is only Frogsterking's second game here, and M85 ended early. I think you and ghug could be reading him correctly.

This is a good summary of the paranoia surrounding my slot. Very "fear of the unknown" and "fear of the unexpected" with observations then looked for to justify that line of thinking. In a different game I could see it being a more influential factor, in this game you can see that I am unlikely to be scum based on D1. Ghug's read on me requires both that I have "cleanest busser" in my scum range and that I would choose to put my team into potential autoloss territory when I apparently have the scum range to do...anything else. Bunny's interpretation of how my behavior can be scum motivated is that I am "freezing up and panicking." Darg's interpretation of how my behavior can be scum motivated is the opposite. Darg believes I am cool as a cucumber and any humor for example is an attempt to "win them over." This seems intrinsically unlikely to be true as again, if I were so calculating and my scum range were so omnipresent, how is it efficient to go from "intensity" to "light humor" in a way that both requires a more extensive dramatic range but also causes players to be more suspicious of me? Why not just say nothing at all? Or use this presumably omnipotent range to say something banal or innocuous?

Clearly the mark of a truly skilled scum player, actor and master manipulator is to kill their godfather D1 and then draw suspicion in a way that requires wasting a lot of energy on posts that are unlikely to get me town read or further my own win condition. Truly the mark of a legend.

If you are mafia, you had me fooled, but I always thought there was likely at least one busser. sweetandcool was already in trouble, and the GF is not that big of a factor because the slot first needs to be scanned, then if they become the only remaining mafia, it is meaningless. However, bussing the GF is good for extra town credit. sweetandcool may not have been the DK if you had not voted for him when you did, but that does not mean you expected your vote to result in him being the DK. If he was going to be DKed at some point in the game, which I think would seem likely to his teammates, I think you would want to be on his wagon D1.

[bozotheclown]

No, sorry.

You do understand it's very frustrating to the rest of us?

Were I scum, I’d not end. But I’d also lie and say I did

I agree the mafia probably did not really vote to end. I don't think it matters anymore anyway unless you are ready to hammer D5.

[bozotheclown]

I'm assuming you are working through different alternatives right now bozo rather tinfoiling yourself. When you are ready to find the scum then I'm curious what you think about a few different slots.

I am reconsidering everyone, I think the mafia is well hidden.

[Frogsterking]

I think this post has a lot of pocketing potential to pocket everyone except ghug and heart.

Hmm.. I wonder why those two slots who I wrongly singled out as scum N1 are the same slots insisting I am scum despite that not making any sense. Hmm. There must be some connection. Hmm. I am stroking my goatee and pondering deeply why those two slots I wrongly singled out as scum for bad reasons responded by wrongly singling my slot out as scum for bad reasons. Hmm.

[BunnyGo]

I'm assuming you are working through different alternatives right now bozo rather tinfoiling yourself. When you are ready to find the scum then I'm curious what you think about a few different slots.

Agreed

[BunnyGo]

I think this post has a lot of pocketing potential to pocket everyone except ghug and heart.

Hmm.. I wonder why those two slots who I wrongly singled out as scum N1 are the same slots insisting I am scum despite that not making any sense. Hmm. There must be some connection. Hmm. I am stroking my goatee and pondering deeply why those two slots I wrongly singled out as scum for bad reasons responded by wrongly singling my slot out as scum for bad reasons. Hmm.

Do you really have a goatee?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I think this post has a lot of pocketing potential to pocket everyone except ghug and heart.

Hmm.. I wonder why those two slots who I wrongly singled out as scum N1 are the same slots insisting I am scum despite that not making any sense. Hmm. There must be some connection. Hmm. I am stroking my goatee and pondering deeply why those two slots I wrongly singled out as scum for bad reasons responded by wrongly singling my slot out as scum for bad reasons. Hmm.

Do you really have a goatee?

Frogster Brad Pitt confirmed? Two celebs in the forum?

[damo666]

Ahahah not happening damo!

1 e4 e5
2 Nf3 Nc6
3 d4 exd4
4 Nxd4 Bc5
5 c3 Nxd4
6 cxd4 Bb4+
7 Nc3 Qh4
8 Qf3 Nf6

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

1 e4 e5
2 Nf3 Nc6
3 d4 exd4
4 Nxd4 Bc5
5 c3 Nxd4
6 cxd4 Bb4+
7 Nc3 Qh4
8 Qf3 Nf6
9 Bd3