Mafia 86: Accidents Happen... - Game Thread

[bozotheclown]

##VOTE ghug

[foodcoats]

That would be an insane play to throw my godfather under the bus like that..insanely stupid.

I’ve recently re read both Frog and Will’s D1 and I think anyone considering Frog should compare the two.

Frog literally shouted at everyone to get on the wagon. He didn’t just vote, he pushed and accelerated the wagon.

Conversely, Will was sitting alone on sweet with ten minutes to go when the wagon suddenly picked up. He didn’t say anything in that time. I could see him “open wolfing” as brain suggested, trying to get a cop scan on sweet, but then getting stuck on his wagon when it took off.

Will is still not the top scumread for me but Will is much, much more likely to be scum than Frog.

I don’t understand this. I was the one who convinced Frog to preflip sweet. And it was because of my reasoning that he did, in fact, vote sweet later on. So I really think this point is invalid.

I don't think it's invalid. It is very possible that scum can bus a teammate that can lead to town getting on that wagon.

[damo666]

##end

hammer count 2

we should stop at 4 and allow Chaqa to finish (unless Chaqa is in first four then hammer away)

I don't think we should hammer ghug until we give him a chance to claim doctor.

OK ##unend

[foodcoats]

Bit pissed and skimmed but assume doc self saved so should therefore reveal.

This hasn’t aged better. What’s up damo?

Nothing.

I can neither confirm nor deny whether I am doc who saved Bozo, however...

Either scum targeted Bozo who was doc saved in which case scum does not know doc's id

OR scum targeted nonBozodoc who saved themselves in which case scum knows who doc is so they may as well reveal.

I would better on the former (obviously).

Huh? This doesn't make sense. Don't worry about the doc.

[Chaqa]

Part 2: It's All About the Hamiltons or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Burr

The first group are the early game "jokepost" phase:

To the GT:

Heart, froggy, Just, Jamie, sweet. All here. Not posting sigh. Sooooooooooooo boring.

Where’s Hambone? He’s always here early. Wonder if he forgot about game start?

Heyya all. Just got back from my MIL's for supper so just checking in now.

And I actually haven't read the setup.

Believable.

I think Town are the rescuers of the Emperor and Mafia is scum here.

You seem different, what's wrong with you?

Firing from the hip.

Hamilton answers for his teammate Sweet. But would he really do this if teammate Frog is asking? I think not.

+1 Town Point for Frog

He returns the next day with this:

What's shaking! Seems like votes are pretty static so far?

It's so scummy in retrospect, and then he disappears for 8 hours before returning.

Today totally got away from me and just got back from my guitar lesson.

I know I'll go back and read up on it but...Jamie endvotes on bozo? What the what!

Are people really that aggrieved with Bunny's psychoanalysis on the metaphorical couch that this forum has been turned into (by BunnY) that they'd vote him out?

So Hamilton's first reaction is to somewhat defend Bunny. Interesting note.

Today totally got away from me and just got back from my guitar lesson.

I know I'll go back and read up on it but...Jamie endvotes on bozo? What the what!

Are people really that aggrieved with Bunny's psychoanalysis on the metaphorical couch that this forum has been turned into (by BunnY) that they'd vote him out?

How am I supposed to tell the difference between this and scum!Brian?

Pour quoi? It's really been a gas of a day; up at 6:30, out the door at 7:30, with kids and adults all day. Don't get home until 4:15. Go run and get back at 5:30. Out the door to my lesson at 6:15. Don't get home until 8. it's a real gas, man.

Why'd you land on my post so quick with the insinuation that I'm scummy? That's scummy. I've only made like 8 or 9 posts in the game so far.

More conflict with Frog makes Frog look good.

Hi all - gonna scan current events and then will be doing a catch-up read + live reacts starting on 9.

@hamiltonbrian

Are you doing this too? I don't understand if I should be giving you space so you can do your thing or if I should be asking you questions while you're present in the thread so I can get an actual read on your alignment.

Nope; don't do that. I am only intermittently here for now...and soon to bed. Best sit down with me tomorrow a couple of hours before deadline or through night. Unless I wind up being the DK or NK.

I have only just managed to log on, read a few posts from the current page, maybe backtrack a page or two, etc. It's not subtantial enough right now.

Good on you for checking though. I appreciate it.

Less conflict with Frog.

-- I omitted a bunch of irrelevant stuff that's mostly boring --

I've been superbusy so my contributions are low low lobsterball low. I live for the weekends, what can I say.

Anyway I wanted to focus on the top key votes before I looked just now and saw a bunch of ties at 2 each.

I am kind of here right now.

Sweetandcool: quick jump on Bunny for the God posts. Kind of feel he’s making suggestions but circling around coming right out to suggesting anyone is town or mafia to them. Not really seeing the votes for them but that requires a better read of the voters. (ghug and justaguynamedwill).

Brainbomb: coming to the conclusion that it’s best to hold off on any opinions of brain until after D1. The amount of posts are difficult to pull apart. Scums food and bunny. I liked the post where he presented his process. Kind of have a good feeling about him so far. Not inclined to jump to a town conclusion but it doesn’t feel like mafia. Bunny and foodcoats are current voters.

JustAGuyNAmedWill: Kind of presents reads on the spot. Who does that D1? Not the most suspicions thing

I want to know what has formed the opinion of this hard scumread on sweet by Will. I wouldn't say Will is mafia based on sweet's defensiveness (that's a lousy adjective for the point they were trying to make but I can't offer a better assessment of their reaction to will right now).

This seems like Hamilton defending Sweet, and I don't think he would draw so much attention here if Will was also scum.

+1 Town Point for Will

I need to go for a run so I need to vote now. I kind of sheep brain to the point that I'd vote along one of his lines even if he didn't stick with it.

##Vote Bunny

Plus sweet is on that wagon and I kind of vibe sweet too.

He was really working to save Sweet.

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Night 1
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Holy magnificent. That was some wagon the killed SweetAndScum. Who drove that because that came out of nowhere. When I voted and left, it was Bunny 3.

Anyway, well done!

Ghug and Just come off pretty good having originally seeming to scum Sweet. I just can't tell when ghug is being serious or ironic.

+1 Scum Point for Ghug

AS I get back in to this for a short time this morning, I'm wondering what made Bunny, damo, ghug, vecna, and chaqa make that shift at the EOD.

Bunny self-preserving kind of makes sense if I am reading it correctly and it was to make it 3-3 at that point.

So why the rest?

I wonder if everyone he listed in "the rest" could be town

Day 2 coming later

[Chaqa]

@Bunny I meant that a hammer on me is kinda pointless unless you get four others to join you on it

I also would like to hear ghug confirm not doctor to be safe

[BunnyGo]

@Bunny I meant that a hammer on me is kinda pointless unless you get four others to join you on it

I also would like to hear ghug confirm not doctor to be safe

I’m booooooooored.


Was just joking around. Yanking your chain. Pushing buttons.

[BunnyGo]

##unend

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

@Bunny I meant that a hammer on me is kinda pointless unless you get four others to join you on it

I also would like to hear ghug confirm not doctor to be safe

I’m booooooooored.


Was just joking around. Yanking your chain. Pushing buttons.

Tooting your horn. Screwing your lid.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Well, I guess we don’t want doc to die lol.

##UNEND

Gonna be a boring 28 hours

[bozotheclown]

If I am not the doctor, we have 2 clears, the doctor, and 5 non-cleared VTs (NCVT).

In this scenario, the worse case for town would be:

D4: DK NCVT
N4: NK clear
D5: DK NCVT
N5: NK clear
D6: DK NCVT
N6: NK doctor

This leaves a final 3 of the mafia and 2 non-cleared VTs, so the game is not an auto win yet. It also assumes we do not accidentally mis-kill the doctor, so I think we should be careful to not do that with hammers.

If the doctor is still hidden on D6, I don't think they necessarily need to claim, because I think a final 3 including the doctor is better than 2 non-cleared VTs, even though the mafia could choose to CC the doctor.

It is currently my opinion that if Just, Frogsterking, or damo were bussing sweetandcool, I am OK with them being the final 3 and letting them figure out which one is the busser, and my preferred DK order is ghug, BunnyGo, foodcoats, Chaqa.

[Chaqa]

I'm sure ghug will be on soon

[damo666]

zzzzz!

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

If I am not the doctor, we have 2 clears, the doctor, and 5 non-cleared VTs (NCVT).

In this scenario, the worse case for town would be:

D4: DK NCVT
N4: NK clear
D5: DK NCVT
N5: NK clear
D6: DK NCVT
N6: NK doctor

This leaves a final 3 of the mafia and 2 non-cleared VTs, so the game is not an auto win yet. It also assumes we do not accidentally mis-kill the doctor, so I think we should be careful to not do that with hammers.

If the doctor is still hidden on D6, I don't think they necessarily need to claim, because I think a final 3 including the doctor is better than 2 non-cleared VTs, even though the mafia could choose to CC the doctor.

It is currently my opinion that if Just, Frogsterking, or damo were bussing sweetandcool, I am OK with them being the final 3 and letting them figure out which one is the busser, and my preferred DK order is ghug, BunnyGo, foodcoats, Chaqa.

I think this is good, but it is also worst case scenario if one of us three was deep bussing.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

zzzzz!

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

zzzzz!

e4

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I’ve recently re read both Frog and Will’s D1 and I think anyone considering Frog should compare the two.

Frog literally shouted at everyone to get on the wagon. He didn’t just vote, he pushed and accelerated the wagon.

Conversely, Will was sitting alone on sweet with ten minutes to go when the wagon suddenly picked up. He didn’t say anything in that time. I could see him “open wolfing” as brain suggested, trying to get a cop scan on sweet, but then getting stuck on his wagon when it took off.

Will is still not the top scumread for me but Will is much, much more likely to be scum than Frog.

I don’t understand this. I was the one who convinced Frog to preflip sweet. And it was because of my reasoning that he did, in fact, vote sweet later on. So I really think this point is invalid.

I don't think it's invalid. It is very possible that scum can bus a teammate that can lead to town getting on that wagon.

Fair. Guess there’s really no way to prove my point until I flip

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I’ve recently re read both Frog and Will’s D1 and I think anyone considering Frog should compare the two.

Frog literally shouted at everyone to get on the wagon. He didn’t just vote, he pushed and accelerated the wagon.

Conversely, Will was sitting alone on sweet with ten minutes to go when the wagon suddenly picked up. He didn’t say anything in that time. I could see him “open wolfing” as brain suggested, trying to get a cop scan on sweet, but then getting stuck on his wagon when it took off.

Will is still not the top scumread for me but Will is much, much more likely to be scum than Frog.

I don’t understand this. I was the one who convinced Frog to preflip sweet. And it was because of my reasoning that he did, in fact, vote sweet later on. So I really think this point is invalid.

I don't think it's invalid. It is very possible that scum can bus a teammate that can lead to town getting on that wagon.

Fair. Guess there’s really no way to prove my point until I die

[Chaqa]

I need to finish Hamilton's D2, but I still feel pretty confident that Bunny and Will are town, and I think it's probably ghug or Food.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Oops double post mb