Mafia 86: Accidents Happen... - Game Thread

[BunnyGo]

I dont believe there is any benefit to competing wagons since we’re down to 1 scum. The scum will always vote for not themselves or be in theory indifferent if both are town

The towns will not vote for themselves either.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

That would be an insane play to throw my godfather under the bus like that..insanely stupid.

I’ve recently re read both Frog and Will’s D1 and I think anyone considering Frog should compare the two.

Frog literally shouted at everyone to get on the wagon. He didn’t just vote, he pushed and accelerated the wagon.

Conversely, Will was sitting alone on sweet with ten minutes to go when the wagon suddenly picked up. He didn’t say anything in that time. I could see him “open wolfing” as brain suggested, trying to get a cop scan on sweet, but then getting stuck on his wagon when it took off.

Will is still not the top scumread for me but Will is much, much more likely to be scum than Frog.

I don’t understand this. I was the one who convinced Frog to preflip sweet. And it was because of my reasoning that he did, in fact, vote sweet later on. So I really think this point is invalid.

[Kakarroto]

VOTE COUNT 4.1 - "Ä kängürüüh önce bit mei sister ..."-edition

ghug (6) - Frogsterking, damo666, JustAGuyNamedWill, Chaqa, foodcoats, dargorygel
Frogsterking (1) - ghug
Chaqa (1) - BunnyGo

ghug is about to find himself on the wrong end of a kangaroo


Bozotheclown needs to submit a valid vote.

Around 1 day 6 hours and 50 minutes left for day four.

[Chaqa]

Score so far:
Will +5 Town
Bunny +4 Town
Frog: Zero
Food +1 Scum
Ghug +1 Scum

Why is damo not on the chart?

See the proceeding post

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

That would be an insane play to throw my godfather under the bus like that..insanely stupid.

I’ve recently re read both Frog and Will’s D1 and I think anyone considering Frog should compare the two.

Frog literally shouted at everyone to get on the wagon. He didn’t just vote, he pushed and accelerated the wagon.

Conversely, Will was sitting alone on sweet with ten minutes to go when the wagon suddenly picked up. He didn’t say anything in that time. I could see him “open wolfing” as brain suggested, trying to get a cop scan on sweet, but then getting stuck on his wagon when it took off.

Will is still not the top scumread for me but Will is much, much more likely to be scum than Frog.

I don’t understand this. I was the one who convinced Frog to preflip sweet. And it was because of my reasoning that he did, in fact, vote sweet later on. So I really think this point is invalid.

Another damning piece of evidence is that Ghug was another reason Frog decided to flip onto sweet later in the game. Maybe he noticed this was coming, and wanted to get off before the wagon took off…

Just speculation, although it is definitely a scum point.

[Chaqa]

While I don't 100% think ghug is scum, I would be OK with flipping him today as it seems to be a consensus choice. I believe we should hammer if that is the case.

[Chaqa]

I would like to finish my re-reads and casings before we do that though.

[damo666]

Score so far:
Will +5 Town
Bunny +4 Town
Frog: Zero
Food +1 Scum
Ghug +1 Scum

Why is damo not on the chart?

because as Chaqa pointed out sweet barely mentioned me

[bozotheclown]

I was saved N3.

[damo666]

Bit pissed and skimmed but assume doc self saved so should therefore reveal.

This hasn’t aged better. What’s up damo?

Nothing.

I can neither confirm nor deny whether I am doc who saved Bozo, however...

Either scum targeted Bozo who was doc saved in which case scum does not know doc's id

OR scum targeted nonBozodoc who saved themselves in which case scum knows who doc is so they may as well reveal.

I would better on the former (obviously).

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

While I don't 100% think ghug is scum, I would be OK with flipping him today as it seems to be a consensus choice. I believe we should hammer if that is the case.

Agree.

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[damo666]

Aha xpost with Bozo.

Scum does not know who doc is.

[bozotheclown]

Frog fails to even adress my claim that I'm not actually vying for cred beyond saying I am again. That's fine, we all get stuck in stupid tunnels, and as I've acknowledged the whole time, it's reasonable to suspect me for the way I pulled back on sweet.

The thing that gets me, beyond bring annoyed at the rhetoric, is how lazy it is. A good chunk of the quotes come from posts where I was directly responding to him asking for answers. Combine that with the slow responses in and the missing things, and I'm left trying to figure out whether he can't be fucked to read the thread because of scum or because of towny overconfidence.

I'm also perturbed by the total lack of analysis on the start of the day from Frog. I get the sense that he's read about 10% of the goings on some sweet died and is trying to seem invested by throwing everything at me.

The animosity for Frogsterking does not seem warranted if Frogsterking is just mistakenly scum reading ghug, it seems like it could be an attempt to discredit the read.

This is one thing ghug did not respond to N3, and it is probably the thing I find most suspicious about him. I find it hard to believe ghug would reach these conclusions as town.

[BunnyGo]

Some of youse guys suck at obv towning.

This is all I have to contribute now.

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[BunnyGo]

##unend. I want to hear from bozo.

Help us bozo.

[Chaqa]

Some of youse guys suck at obv towning.

This is all I have to contribute now.

##end

You're trying to hammer me?

et tu bunne

[damo666]

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hammer count 2

we should stop at 4 and allow Chaqa to finish (unless Chaqa is in first four then hammer away)

[BunnyGo]

Some of youse guys suck at obv towning.

This is all I have to contribute now.

##end

You're trying to hammer me?

et tu bunne

##end

[bozotheclown]

My town play is better in the late game and I haven't been to the late game as town in like a year.

Don't you zultar me. Fuck that guy.

I do, but after a while it makes me sad. What really pisses me off is the GMs who keep making me scum.

To summarize, I think ghug's D3 is more consistent with a mafia thinking the second than a town thinking the first.

Whatever, bozo.

I don't like when the game gets down to one scum this early. There are no interactions to hunt and we just churn through people. Yesterday seemed likely to be a boring runaway bozo wagon, so I spent less time focusing on the game. I'm still here sharing my reads and arguing, and I'm confident I have a better read on the game than the rest of you right now, because the prime suspects for the last 72 hours are you, me, brainbomb, and Chaqa. I don't know why I bother to argue with you, since you've shown time and again for years now that you're just going to tunnel me every game and ignore anything I actually say.

To the people who aren't irrational, there's no way scum ghug doesn't target Will N2. I switched my vote onto scum EoD2 because I thought he was softing a bunny scan, I immediately changed my read on Bunny, I didn't consider Will as scum D3 despite his D2 voting being unimpressive, and I told Bunny he was simply town in an attempt to draw a night action.

I also cast what I thought to be a deciding vote on Hamilton D2 after casting what would be a very weird vote on him if we were teammates near the end of day 1.

I am town. Thank you for listening to my Ted talk.

The part of this I question is ghug saying I have been ignoring anything he said. I listened to ghug's reasons why Hamilton's D2 EOD vote did not necessarily implicate BunnyGo and why Chaqa and foodcoats are probably town despite the things they did that I thought could be scum indicative.

[bozotheclown]

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hammer count 2

we should stop at 4 and allow Chaqa to finish (unless Chaqa is in first four then hammer away)

I don't think we should hammer ghug until we give him a chance to claim doctor.