Mafia 86: Accidents Happen... - Game Thread

[ghug]

##VOTE Frog

No time to read.

You knew brainbomb was town, why didn't you try to at least discourage him as the DK like you did D2?

I got out of my meeting and quickly checked on the game on my phone while walking to my next meeting. I spent that time noticing the votes had changed, looking for the claim that had caused that change, and then casting a relevant vote. I didn't have time to talk.

[foodcoats]

I’m no use here, hopefully darg is right and the scum NK me.

[bozotheclown]

That would be a weak soft claim.

Why did you vote for me D2? Why do you think it is very plausible that damo is mafia?

I found your response to the food/ghug/brain claim fiasco underwhelming and thought you could use some pressure.

I was generally pretty underwhelmed with my reads on D2. I had few strong townreads and few strong scumreads, so the pool was large.

This is Dr. Foosier Croats… I’m listening.

If you are mafia, it would be unlikely you and sweetandcool would both vote for BunnyGo at the beginning of D1 if he was town.

##VOTE foodcoats

This was the extent of my reaction at the time you voted for me. What did you find "underwhelming"?

[ghug]

Jamie was crumbing cop, Vecna was suspecting you, and dargorygel is the cop. Why would you have been more likely to DK or RB Just?

Because I wrongly thought Just was the cop.

I'm only talking N2 here. I can also pretty consistently tell when Jamie's a PR, so I doubt I would have killed him either, but I don't expect you to be moved by that argument.

If you are mafia, though, I think you did not really think Just was the cop. Since dargorygel was RBed, the mafia likely suspected he was the cop.

Duh.

I'm pointing to (admittedly limited) evidence I thought Will was the cop (namely the weak soft claim we're discussing and the sudden turnaround on my Bunny read) and saying that makes it less likely I am mafia, since mafia was likely onto darg.

[ghug]

So... scum is taking pot shots to find PRs... who would likely do that? I don't see it as a bozo plan... nor brain... but will? Food? Not ghug... not bunny.
. Back to dinner and work. Bye

I think everyone would do that at this point, potentially claiming RB themselves at some point in the middle.

##VOTE Frog just to keep it interesting

Where is your case against Frogsterking to keep D3 interesting? Why, if you finally made it to D3 as town, did you make no effort to affect the D3 wagons?

You seemed pretty insurmountable, though I did argue against your wagon until Chaqa became the alternative. I wanted Frog to be the counterwagon.

[ghug]

Why did you vote for me D2? Why do you think it is very plausible that damo is mafia?

I found your response to the food/ghug/brain claim fiasco underwhelming and thought you could use some pressure.

I was generally pretty underwhelmed with my reads on D2. I had few strong townreads and few strong scumreads, so the pool was large.

This is Dr. Foosier Croats… I’m listening.

If you are mafia, it would be unlikely you and sweetandcool would both vote for BunnyGo at the beginning of D1 if he was town.

##VOTE foodcoats

This was the extent of my reaction at the time you voted for me. What did you find "underwhelming"?

You naked voted food. I found that underwhelming.

[dargorygel]

Let’s play a game of ‘What if…”

What if (and I am not saying this is what happened) when I agreed to sub heartthrob’s slot, I saw it was vanilla town… and was a wee little bit disappointed. Vanilla town is dull.

And so, what if (and I am not claiming that this happened) I decided to crumb a cop role for myself. Because in a game like this, basically vanilla, a poor vanilla player (like me, who usually gets miss-killed, doubted, and ends up ineffectual… because I do not blurt out all thoughts, like some of you expect/demand) does not have a lot to offer… but at a KEY moment, a fake claim to protect a PR is useful.

And so, having crumbed (if I did… but I am not saying it was what I did) COP, in a simplistic almost silly way, I got ready to crumb the next day for DOC…

But before I could, the brainbomb/ghug/food incident occurred… (which actually DID happen), and made any actual fake claim gambit lose all power.

And so, what if I then abandoned it… and just played a regular game.

Until (if this happened, which I am not saying actually happened) I saw the chance, having a pretty strong feeling-read on bozo… with folk pretty set on him, for no good reason that I could see, but stubbornness (which usually annoys me in this game, as some of you know!), of playing that ploy after all.

So that, what if I then decided to claim towards the EoD… hoping to introduce some (and I agree with ghug about this, at key moments only) CHAOS into the game, and ruffle things up by claiming cop with an inno on bunny.

And what if it worked.

And what if I had deduced who the COP really is… and sent him a hidden message, hoping that he would see what I was doing, and trusted me… so that he could be free of wandering Scum hits.

And so, I could draw the scum RB… and maybe the NK attempt, protected, maybe, by the doctor.

Thus (IF this happened) I could have accomplished my original hope of a fake-claim. (Which I had only attempted ONCE long ago, disastrously, as bo would tell you, if he were here. Which he is not.)


What a fun tale that would be, eh?

But then, IF this happened, why would I now come clean (IF I were indeed coming clean…)?

Why would I risk setting the Scumbo free from his false shackles on ME?

IF this had all happened… and IF I were now counter claiming myself…

I might be worried about the Doc. Who might protect me falsely (if indeed it IS false). And then waste a necessary protection on the real Cop, or even the Doc himself… since scum had (and scum actually HAD) been taking a “two shot” approach to finding PRs. Scum might be expected to let ME live, only RBing me, and hit a PR candidate. If the Doc protected me, that would be tragic. IF THIS LATEST PART OF THE SAGA were true.

Secondly, what if I believed that a good principle is that town needs to know the truth ( I do generally hold that principle), and so believe that fake claims should be revealed in the next phase, if possible. (and yes, I HAVE actually had that discussion with some players in this game, when discussing the value of Fake Claiming while hanging around in the GodThread.)

Thirdly, what if I agree with the math proposed that declared how many clear scans we needed, and that we needed one more… trusting RBs declared as true, other than mine… and that if SCUM had figured this out, too, they would NOT be RBing me, or killing me, but taking two random shots… wherein IF my claim had caused the DOC to protect me, that would allow someone more important to be killed.


So what if those three things combined to make me write this missive at this time… giving town enough new accurate (IF it is true) information to prepare for tomorrow.

So there it is.

A tale, told by an idiot… signifying nothing.

Okay but darg never said his favourite opening moves in gunboat, big if scum?

I never play gunboat. I prefer playing with actual conversations. Because that is how I roll.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Certainly a risky play by darg. Just gotta hope bozo isn’t actually mafia and he didn’t just get the break of the century

[bozotheclown]

I found your response to the food/ghug/brain claim fiasco underwhelming and thought you could use some pressure.

I was generally pretty underwhelmed with my reads on D2. I had few strong townreads and few strong scumreads, so the pool was large.

If you are mafia, it would be unlikely you and sweetandcool would both vote for BunnyGo at the beginning of D1 if he was town.

##VOTE foodcoats

This was the extent of my reaction at the time you voted for me. What did you find "underwhelming"?

You naked voted food. I found that underwhelming.

##VOTE food

##VOTE bozo

##VOTE Frog

##VOTE ham

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

This was the extent of my reaction at the time you voted for me. What did you find "underwhelming"?

You naked voted food. I found that underwhelming.

##VOTE food

##VOTE bozo

##VOTE Frog

##VOTE ham

Lol

[ghug]

This was the extent of my reaction at the time you voted for me. What did you find "underwhelming"?

You naked voted food. I found that underwhelming.

##VOTE food

##VOTE bozo

##VOTE Frog

##VOTE ham

Heh

I obviously have nothing against naked votes in general. I had expected more of a response than simply voting without explanation. There were things to talk about and I found your silence unnerving.

[bozotheclown]

I think everyone would do that at this point, potentially claiming RB themselves at some point in the middle.

##VOTE Frog just to keep it interesting

Where is your case against Frogsterking to keep D3 interesting? Why, if you finally made it to D3 as town, did you make no effort to affect the D3 wagons?

You seemed pretty insurmountable, though I did argue against your wagon until Chaqa became the alternative. I wanted Frog to be the counterwagon.

So... scum is taking pot shots to find PRs... who would likely do that? I don't see it as a bozo plan... nor brain... but will? Food? Not ghug... not bunny.
. Back to dinner and work. Bye

I think everyone would do that at this point, potentially claiming RB themselves at some point in the middle.

##VOTE Frog just to keep it interesting

##VOTE bozo

I'd still move back to Frog, and might prefer damo too, but I don't want Chaqa.

This is everything you said about me and Frogsterking. I do not consider this arguing against my wagon, and you could have tied the vote, so my DK was not "insurmountable".

Also, if you wanted Frogsterking to be the counter wagon, why didn't you try to make it happen?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Where is your case against Frogsterking to keep D3 interesting? Why, if you finally made it to D3 as town, did you make no effort to affect the D3 wagons?

You seemed pretty insurmountable, though I did argue against your wagon until Chaqa became the alternative. I wanted Frog to be the counterwagon.

So... scum is taking pot shots to find PRs... who would likely do that? I don't see it as a bozo plan... nor brain... but will? Food? Not ghug... not bunny.
. Back to dinner and work. Bye

I think everyone would do that at this point, potentially claiming RB themselves at some point in the middle.

##VOTE Frog just to keep it interesting

##VOTE bozo

I'd still move back to Frog, and might prefer damo too, but I don't want Chaqa.

This is everything you said about me and Frogsterking. I do not consider this arguing against my wagon, and you could have tied the vote, so my DK was not "insurmountable".

Also, if you wanted Frogsterking to be the counter wagon, why didn't you try to make it happen?

Reads as mafia ghug just wanting anyone other than him to die

[bozotheclown]

You naked voted food. I found that underwhelming.

##VOTE food

##VOTE bozo

##VOTE Frog

##VOTE ham

Heh

I obviously have nothing against naked votes in general. I had expected more of a response than simply voting without explanation. There were things to talk about and I found your silence unnerving.

I had not posted in 6 hours at the time you voted for me, you could have assumed I was not available.

[bozotheclown]

Okay, and what about ghug?

Less so. He just Ron recently as scum. He’s good as town but not as invincible.

My town play is better in the late game and I haven't been to the late game as town in like a year.

Take is as a compliment

Don't you zultar me. Fuck that guy.

I do, but after a while it makes me sad. What really pisses me off is the GMs who keep making me scum.

To summarize, I think ghug's D3 is more consistent with a mafia thinking the second than a town thinking the first.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Less so. He just Ron recently as scum. He’s good as town but not as invincible.

My town play is better in the late game and I haven't been to the late game as town in like a year.

Take is as a compliment

Don't you zultar me. Fuck that guy.

I do, but after a while it makes me sad. What really pisses me off is the GMs who keep making me scum.

To summarize, I think ghug's D3 is more consistent with a mafia thinking the second than a town thinking the first.

You’ve convinced me

[ghug]

Where is your case against Frogsterking to keep D3 interesting? Why, if you finally made it to D3 as town, did you make no effort to affect the D3 wagons?

You seemed pretty insurmountable, though I did argue against your wagon until Chaqa became the alternative. I wanted Frog to be the counterwagon.

So... scum is taking pot shots to find PRs... who would likely do that? I don't see it as a bozo plan... nor brain... but will? Food? Not ghug... not bunny.
. Back to dinner and work. Bye

I think everyone would do that at this point, potentially claiming RB themselves at some point in the middle.

##VOTE Frog just to keep it interesting

##VOTE bozo

I'd still move back to Frog, and might prefer damo too, but I don't want Chaqa.

This is everything you said about me and Frogsterking. I do not consider this arguing against my wagon, and you could have tied the vote, so my DK was not "insurmountable".

Also, if you wanted Frogsterking to be the counter wagon, why didn't you try to make it happen?

I talked about you at night too. And I advocated against hammering you.

Again, the day seemed pretty likely to be you, and nobody else seemed interested in Frog. There just didn't seem to be much point.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Can I get a sanity check on Will? He feels very different than last game where he was town but maybe this is more his normal?

To be fair, I was the D1 kill.

You were playing differently D1 there vs. here but these are my only times playing with you.

How?

[ghug]

Less so. He just Ron recently as scum. He’s good as town but not as invincible.

My town play is better in the late game and I haven't been to the late game as town in like a year.

Take is as a compliment

Don't you zultar me. Fuck that guy.

I do, but after a while it makes me sad. What really pisses me off is the GMs who keep making me scum.

To summarize, I think ghug's D3 is more consistent with a mafia thinking the second than a town thinking the first.

Whatever, bozo.

I don't like when the game gets down to one scum this early. There are no interactions to hunt and we just churn through people. Yesterday seemed likely to be a boring runaway bozo wagon, so I spent less time focusing on the game. I'm still here sharing my reads and arguing, and I'm confident I have a better read on the game than the rest of you right now, because the prime suspects for the last 72 hours are you, me, brainbomb, and Chaqa. I don't know why I bother to argue with you, since you've shown time and again for years now that you're just going to tunnel me every game and ignore anything I actually say.

To the people who aren't irrational, there's no way scum ghug doesn't target Will N2. I switched my vote onto scum EoD2 because I thought he was softing a bunny scan, I immediately changed my read on Bunny, I didn't consider Will as scum D3 despite his D2 voting being unimpressive, and I told Bunny he was simply town in an attempt to draw a night action.

I also cast what I thought to be a deciding vote on Hamilton D2 after casting what would be a very weird vote on him if we were teammates near the end of day 1.

I am town. Thank you for listening to my Ted talk.

[Frogsterking]

Certainly a risky play by darg. Just gotta hope bozo isn’t actually mafia and he didn’t just get the break of the century

The most amazing* scenario would be: Darg is the cop and strongly townread scum!bozo, enough to fake an inno report on him, then dies before he can clear it up. Scum!bozo proceeds to solo win.