Mafia 86: Accidents Happen... - Game Thread

[BunnyGo]

@Frogsterking...

Is this a typical playstyle for you? Post the volume you did on D1 but withhold a vote until the last hour?

Do you believe there were bussers on Sweet? Who appears most likely to be that busser, and through what metrics?

The post volume is indicative of my town meta for sure; if anyone ever noticed a difference between my alignments based on how I used my vote then they never told me about it. I think I vote pretty differently based on my mood and what's going on in the game.

Yeah I think it's really, really unusual for scum to get run up D1 without any buddies onboard. I think it's ghug based on the metrics of who actually broke the tie between bunny and sweet. Vecna and chaqa came in when it was relatively undecided but ghug didn't move his vote over until it looked sure that sweet would go over anyway. So ghug appears to make choices with their vote that minimize the risk sweet will actually die while also being cognizant that it will look better to be on sweet post-flip.

I am going to try my best Frog, since there's some suspicion swirling around them.

1) How much time elapsed between your deciding to vote sweet and actually casting the vote?
2) What was your clear-cut 100 proof factor in Sweet's play that informed your decision that they were scum?
3) When you got your PM did you decide to distance or closely buddy your teammates? Which ones?
4) What is your biggest criticism of your D1 play? What was your reaction when Jamie suggested that your reads were coming too early in the game? Did that alter your plans?

1) That's a good question and I have a good answer:

My head hurts

Not finished with Will yet, but just wanted to clarify what I did like about his play, when I made that comment around page 20:

I really liked what seemed to be original Will critical thinking that I rarely see. His comments about Frog seemed to have some thought behind them (first post of page 18).

I also thought his comment on Page 19 was interesting because it seemed advanced. If we are dealing with scum Will, then I could now see it as a defense of a teammate (chaqa).

Oof

There was a window of opportunity between these two posts for sweet to post stuff that would convince me they were town or at least to wait or reconsider. When I wrote the second post at--ahem--"9:22 pm" I was determined to vote sweet and that window of opportunity for them was closed.

##vote sweetandcool

My vote comes down at "9:50 pm." So 28 minutes elapsed between me deciding to vote sweet and actually putting the vote down.

2) The factor was that I just played with them in M85 so it was obvious that they were playing differently, then reinforced when Will and ghug suggested that sweet was polarized and had been caught on D1 before. Here they seemed self conscious and try hardy but also vague and noncommittal. They seemed like they were only willing to post if they could think of the "right" thing to say. In M85 they were impulsive and blurted stuff out. Like on principle they fell on the wrong side of "cautious vs reckless" where town are noticeably more reckless than scum and they fell on the wrong side again of "reads vs reasons" where they were more concerned with reasons to have reads rather reads themselves. I don't know how aware I would have been if I hadn't just played M85, so I think that was "the" key factor.
3) Once I got my role PM I decided to buddy my teammates if I could figure out who they were. I also decided I was okay distancing from my teammates if it seemed necessary to figure out if they were in fact really my teammates.
4) Jamie's feedback that I was reading the game too quickly made me more determined to continue playing exactly in the way that I was. One thing it did change is that I was a little less worried about jamie's slot being scum again because they already sounded very unlike how they did in M85. I liked Jamie's feedback later on in D1 when they suggested I turn over as many rocks as I can and consider who I had trouble reading in M85 and who I was having trouble reading here.

seems legit

[Kakarroto]

VOTE COUNT 3.2 - "Wai nod trai e holidee in Austria dies jiar?"-edition

bozotheclown (5) - Chaqa*, foodcoats, BunnyGo*, damo666, brainbomb
BunnyGo (2) - bozotheclown, dargorygel
brainbomb (1) - JustAGuyNamedWill*
Frogsterking (1) ghug

2/6 Endvote needed

bozotheclown is scheduled to win a ticket for a journey without return


Frogsterking hasn't yet cast a valid vote.

About 19 hours left for day three.

[BunnyGo]

This is Dr. Foosier Croats… I’m listening.

If you are mafia, it would be unlikely you and sweetandcool would both vote for BunnyGo at the beginning of D1 if he was town.

Trying to work my way through this. If you aren't mafia, it would be likely you and sweet wouldn't both vote BunnY?

You obviously think Food is mafia, but are you also suggesting you think Bunny is teammate #3?

Why does he always capitalize the Y?

What's he saying here? He's trying to build a contrapositive statement of bozo's conditional?

Is he trying to coordinate setting up miskills?

[BunnyGo]

So neither foodcoats nor hamiltonbrian actually answered my questions?

I think HamB *would have* if Frog were scum?

[brainbomb]

Yea its not bozo

[ghug]

##VOTE Ham

Don't really mind his post though.

ghug's D2 looks worse knowing Hamilton was mafia and one of ghug/BunnyGo is town.

To be clear, that post was from D1. ghug usually votes for his teammates D1 as mafia at a time they are not likely to become a wagon, and that vote for Hamilton, while also defending him, fits that pattern. ghug did not vote for Hamilton again until D2 EOD when the DK was decided.

I lowkey think that vote clears me but ok.

[ghug]

##VOTE food

Protecting HB?

Did you forget the part about the claims?

[ghug]

ghug contested whether the DK was decided, and there were a lot of votes in close proximity. However, ghug's vote was at the same time as Hamilton, so if ghug thought he was breaking a tie to put Hamilton in the lead, he should have concluded Hamilton voted to break the tie to put BunnyGo in the lead.

wait...what do you conclude from this? That ghug and I are scummates?

No, that ghug should be more suspicious that Hamilton preferred to be the DK over you.

I think it's a plausible explanation but I also got the vibe that Hamilton actually thought Frog was viable, which you seem to disagree with.

Question for you: I was the only one pushing Frog. Do you think Hamilton would pick his teammate's push in that situation?

[bozotheclown]

wait...what do you conclude from this? That ghug and I are scummates?

No, that ghug should be more suspicious that Hamilton preferred to be the DK over you.

I think it's a plausible explanation but I also got the vibe that Hamilton actually thought Frog was viable, which you seem to disagree with.

Question for you: I was the only one pushing Frog. Do you think Hamilton would pick his teammate's push in that situation?

Not particularly likely, but neither was Hamilton voting to get himself DKed. Frogsterking had no votes and Hamilton voted with 48 second left in D2. Even if Hamilton did not know the vote count, he was told what the wagons were, so why would he think there was a better chance of Frogsterking being the DK than BunnyGo?

[ghug]

No, that ghug should be more suspicious that Hamilton preferred to be the DK over you.

I think it's a plausible explanation but I also got the vibe that Hamilton actually thought Frog was viable, which you seem to disagree with.

Question for you: I was the only one pushing Frog. Do you think Hamilton would pick his teammate's push in that situation?

Not particularly likely, but neither was Hamilton voting to get himself DKed. Frogsterking had no votes and Hamilton voted with 48 second left in D2. Even if Hamilton did not know the vote count, he was told what the wagons were, so why would he think there was a better chance of Frogsterking being the DK than BunnyGo?

I don't think there was, but I read earnestness in what he was saying, and I don't think he's a particularly good liar.

If you think he was doing it knowing he was dying, why aren't you considering that he was distancing himself from Frog?

[brainbomb]

i dont think its bunny either.

And it also isnt ghug or food.

[brainbomb]

And it isnt damo because he is super annoying this game and he usually isnt annoying as mafia

[brainbomb]

Its just frog I think.

##vote frog

[brainbomb]

I can't help but imagine heartthrob as a tub of vanilla ice cream in front of his computer.

This is not an insult, just a reflection on the fact that I've yet to glean anything from him and it has been like three games now.

Heart, maybe you should emulate Bunny here?

This is a safe thing for scum sweet to say to town heart. it is the perfect player to do this toward because it is unlikely to accidentally cause heart to transform into an elite tier town voice, and its also someone unlikely to feel like this is scum talking to them.

the advice also makes me think that scum sweet would not tell scum heart to play more like scum bunny. The mere suggestion would create too many people looking too alike, and this sort of team dynamic would make little sense. It seems more likely that mafia sweet would suggest to Heart, that he should behave like bunny, because at the time bunnys gimmick was drawing negative reactions and attention.

So this would appear to be bunny and heart are probably not sweets teammates. Given how darg has played since arrival I find it even less likely that heart was ever mafia.

If heart was town, and bunny was mafia I cant see why sweet would encourage this as it draws more attention to bunny who is already getting more than enough attention.

What about ghug-chaqa?

This rubs me the wrong way as
A reply to what was an attempt at finding reasons why darg and bunny cant be mafia.

Its almost like this is frog nervously trying to smear out some
Alternatives for me to rabbit hole on

[bozotheclown]

I think it's a plausible explanation but I also got the vibe that Hamilton actually thought Frog was viable, which you seem to disagree with.

Question for you: I was the only one pushing Frog. Do you think Hamilton would pick his teammate's push in that situation?

Not particularly likely, but neither was Hamilton voting to get himself DKed. Frogsterking had no votes and Hamilton voted with 48 second left in D2. Even if Hamilton did not know the vote count, he was told what the wagons were, so why would he think there was a better chance of Frogsterking being the DK than BunnyGo?

I don't think there was, but I read earnestness in what he was saying, and I don't think he's a particularly good liar.

If you think he was doing it knowing he was dying, why aren't you considering that he was distancing himself from Frog?

Possible, but the DK was not decided when Hamilton changed his vote. Maybe if Hamilton had no idea what the vote was. I would still be surprised if Frogsterking is mafia.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Not particularly likely, but neither was Hamilton voting to get himself DKed. Frogsterking had no votes and Hamilton voted with 48 second left in D2. Even if Hamilton did not know the vote count, he was told what the wagons were, so why would he think there was a better chance of Frogsterking being the DK than BunnyGo?

I don't think there was, but I read earnestness in what he was saying, and I don't think he's a particularly good liar.

If you think he was doing it knowing he was dying, why aren't you considering that he was distancing himself from Frog?

Possible, but the DK was not decided when Hamilton changed his vote. Maybe if Hamilton had no idea what the vote was. I would still be surprised if Frogsterking is mafia.

Same

[bozotheclown]

If Hamilton was just ready to get out of the game, maybe the mafia team was not bothering to put much effort into the game after D1. Hamilton and Chaqa did not move their votes during D2 (before Hamilton's EOD vote), Chaqa never provided a good reason for voting for me D2, Hamilton could have been defending me to take the opposite position from his teammate, and as I pointed out earlier, Chaqa was actively trying to prevent a sweetandcool DK D1, including going after Just once Just started scum reading sweetandcool.

##VOTE Chaqa

[dargorygel]

Would frog be not voting to give us less data?
Did he vote late last game?

[Frogsterking]

Sorry, I was supposed to be off work but I got called in. Don't end before I get to write my thoughts on bozo.

[Frogsterking]

Would frog be not voting to give us less data?
Did he vote late last game?

I don't see what that would achieve really. ##bozotheclown