Mafia 86: Accidents Happen... - Game Thread

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

we arent going to learn the reason for jamie dying until post game anyway. I suspect it was a scumteam not including ghug for sure because ghug seems very unlikely to roleblock foodcoats and kill Jamie. that just in no way feels like moves he would authorize. and usually ghug, chaqa, damo are expert PR hunters as MAFIA. frog is also allegedly an expert PR hunter.

If food was really roleblocked then they probably thought the RB would have a solid chance of making people doubt if the claim was true or not --- or its a mafia team of you and hamilton left alone to make the decisions, hamilton and the two of you together are like all tripped out in your maf chat thinking some obligatory post by jamie was a cop crumb, thats what ham does is typically fixate on some random post and thinks it means something. and I could see you looking to him for leadership by way of experience. then the roleblock on food is where thats maybe a little sophisticated and it likely is that you guys think he was a PR based on play is my assumption.

I expect the nightkill to be food anyway and youll just plug some new name into your list or claim ive been gunning for food all game.

I can’t really respond to this because I have no experience playing scum with Hamilton. So I will assume you are correct in your assessment of Ham. But can’t you just insert ANYONE into that position and it works? Why does it have to be me?

[ghug]

I loved season 1 of the Traitors. The winner(s) is/are very deserving.

I tried to watch it when I was covid-dumb and it was still too dumb for me. Mafia shouldn't have kingmakers.

the money aspect of the game was sickening, and seeing scum even thinking of questioning the motive of their own team to me is the height of reality tv bullcrap.

isnt the game itself enough? you could make an argument that this is also why champs is such a ridiculous concept too.

Although making it to semifinals once, and winning a game as scum at that level is something I will always look back on fondly.

Yeah, I think it's on the format, though casting the reality TV has-beens was also a turnoff for me. Teams need shared fate. You could probably even vote on an MVP to get more money champs-style and the game would still work better.

[brainbomb]

we arent going to learn the reason for jamie dying until post game anyway. I suspect it was a scumteam not including ghug for sure because ghug seems very unlikely to roleblock foodcoats and kill Jamie. that just in no way feels like moves he would authorize. and usually ghug, chaqa, damo are expert PR hunters as MAFIA. frog is also allegedly an expert PR hunter.

If food was really roleblocked then they probably thought the RB would have a solid chance of making people doubt if the claim was true or not --- or its a mafia team of you and hamilton left alone to make the decisions, hamilton and the two of you together are like all tripped out in your maf chat thinking some obligatory post by jamie was a cop crumb, thats what ham does is typically fixate on some random post and thinks it means something. and I could see you looking to him for leadership by way of experience. then the roleblock on food is where thats maybe a little sophisticated and it likely is that you guys think he was a PR based on play is my assumption.

I expect the nightkill to be food anyway and youll just plug some new name into your list or claim ive been gunning for food all game.

I can’t really respond to this because I have no experience playing scum with Hamilton. So I will assume you are correct in your assessment of Ham. But can’t you just insert ANYONE into that position and it works? Why does it have to be me?

I saw you previously claim that because during N1 I began scumreading Jamie that I was increased odds for killing him. Maybe you could explain how the decisions made by mafia make sense with me and hamilton

[Chaqa]

I suspect that Will is lying and knows that vanity wagons are not scummy whatsoever. if they were, then mafia never wouldve killed Jamie, as he too was on a vanity wagon.

To be fair tho, I have no clue why Jamie was killed. No way his pfp changing caused his death, right?

The fact that this has come up so much means we need to ban PFP changes.

Just ban Jamie

[brainbomb]

I suspect that Will is lying and knows that vanity wagons are not scummy whatsoever. if they were, then mafia never wouldve killed Jamie, as he too was on a vanity wagon.

To be fair tho, I have no clue why Jamie was killed. No way his pfp changing caused his death, right?

If you really beleive that then you must also think vecna is scum. right?

[foodcoats]

As much as town would like to go for a clean sweep win, I think eliminating myself or will tomorrow ensures that you wont have to deal with either of us in endgame.

Scan one of the two of us, and kill the other. that is my suggestion

Nah I'm going with noble plan Everyone* Gets Out Alive

Hashtag leave no Jamies behind

[BunnyGo]

I really fucked up D2

I didn’t have time to do N1/D2

I didn't do great, these posts are funny though IMO:

I am going to try my best Frog, since there's some suspicion swirling around them.

1) How much time elapsed between your deciding to vote sweet and actually casting the vote?
2) What was your clear-cut 100 proof factor in Sweet's play that informed your decision that they were scum?
3) When you got your PM did you decide to distance or closely buddy your teammates? Which ones?
4) What is your biggest criticism of your D1 play? What was your reaction when Jamie suggested that your reads were coming too early in the game? Did that alter your plans?

<snip>

Question 3 by Hamilton here is interesting if you’re scum.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

we arent going to learn the reason for jamie dying until post game anyway. I suspect it was a scumteam not including ghug for sure because ghug seems very unlikely to roleblock foodcoats and kill Jamie. that just in no way feels like moves he would authorize. and usually ghug, chaqa, damo are expert PR hunters as MAFIA. frog is also allegedly an expert PR hunter.

If food was really roleblocked then they probably thought the RB would have a solid chance of making people doubt if the claim was true or not --- or its a mafia team of you and hamilton left alone to make the decisions, hamilton and the two of you together are like all tripped out in your maf chat thinking some obligatory post by jamie was a cop crumb, thats what ham does is typically fixate on some random post and thinks it means something. and I could see you looking to him for leadership by way of experience. then the roleblock on food is where thats maybe a little sophisticated and it likely is that you guys think he was a PR based on play is my assumption.

I expect the nightkill to be food anyway and youll just plug some new name into your list or claim ive been gunning for food all game.

I can’t really respond to this because I have no experience playing scum with Hamilton. So I will assume you are correct in your assessment of Ham. But can’t you just insert ANYONE into that position and it works? Why does it have to be me?

I saw you previously claim that because during N1 I began scumreading Jamie that I was increased odds for killing him. Maybe you could explain how the decisions made by mafia make sense with me and hamilton

I don’t think I did. Can you recall the phase this happened? D2?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I suspect that Will is lying and knows that vanity wagons are not scummy whatsoever. if they were, then mafia never wouldve killed Jamie, as he too was on a vanity wagon.

To be fair tho, I have no clue why Jamie was killed. No way his pfp changing caused his death, right?

If you really beleive that then you must also think vecna is scum. right?

What? Walk me through how this would lead me to the assumption Vecna is mafia.

[BunnyGo]

I suspect that Will is lying and knows that vanity wagons are not scummy whatsoever. if they were, then mafia never wouldve killed Jamie, as he too was on a vanity wagon.

To be fair tho, I have no clue why Jamie was killed. No way his pfp changing caused his death, right?

The fact that this has come up so much means we need to ban PFP changes.

wtf is pfp?

[brainbomb]

Brainbomb: brain made a comment early in D2 that he would not vote outside of food, Bunny, and I. While unconfirmed, I believe these reads are wrong. He did, however stick to his word when it came to voting. His Day 1 is much better (albeit still suspicious). He does make some good points, and made good inferences (except on Hamilton and sweet, lol). At no point did he vote sweet or Hamilton. He did vote Frog though, which I find mighty suspicious. During N1 he scumread Jamie, which is a little bad for his case. SCUMLEAN

[brainbomb]

I guess jamiet really did do the ultimate troll on the scumteam with his coppotato avatar.

twirly-twirly-twirly potato

@Will this is the only player to posit Jamie was killed for avatar changes. are you struggling to remember things now?

i think this is now several times youve made a statement and then played dumb about it happening.

First was you not remembering your read on me being scum was that I mentioned jamie as mafia at night and now youve posited maybe jamie died for avatar changes and vecna was the one to post such an idea jokingly.

Why are you forgetting your own content?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

To be fair tho, I have no clue why Jamie was killed. No way his pfp changing caused his death, right?

The fact that this has come up so much means we need to ban PFP changes.

wtf is pfp?

Profile Pic

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Brainbomb: brain made a comment early in D2 that he would not vote outside of food, Bunny, and I. While unconfirmed, I believe these reads are wrong. He did, however stick to his word when it came to voting. His Day 1 is much better (albeit still suspicious). He does make some good points, and made good inferences (except on Hamilton and sweet, lol). At no point did he vote sweet or Hamilton. He did vote Frog though, which I find mighty suspicious. During N1 he scumread Jamie, which is a little bad for his case. SCUMLEAN

I see. I still agree it is bad for your case.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I guess jamiet really did do the ultimate troll on the scumteam with his coppotato avatar.

twirly-twirly-twirly potato

@Will this is the only player to posit Jamie was killed for avatar changes. are you struggling to remember things now?

i think this is now several times youve made a statement and then played dumb about it happening.

First was you not remembering your read on me being scum was that I mentioned jamie as mafia at night and now youve posited maybe jamie died for avatar changes and vecna was the one to post such an idea jokingly.

Why are you forgetting your own content?

Walk me through how this would lead me to the assumption that Vecna is scum?

[BunnyGo]

The fact that this has come up so much means we need to ban PFP changes.

wtf is pfp?

Profile Pic

ah yeah. I’ve objected to him changed his footnote text before too. But so far the council and GMs have not ruled those things disallowed.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

To be fair tho, I have no clue why Jamie was killed. No way his pfp changing caused his death, right?

If you really beleive that then you must also think vecna is scum. right?

What? Walk me through how this would lead me to the assumption Vecna is mafia.

When did I ever say that I forgot about this?

[brainbomb]

Brainbomb: brain made a comment early in D2 that he would not vote outside of food, Bunny, and I. While unconfirmed, I believe these reads are wrong. He did, however stick to his word when it came to voting. His Day 1 is much better (albeit still suspicious). He does make some good points, and made good inferences (except on Hamilton and sweet, lol). At no point did he vote sweet or Hamilton. He did vote Frog though, which I find mighty suspicious. During N1 he scumread Jamie, which is a little bad for his case. SCUMLEAN

I see. I still agree it is bad for your case.

Okay.
Elaborate. why is me listing Jamie as scum more likely for me to be the one killing jamie?

Why do I roleblock foodcoats who I am also scumreading
And kill Jamie who I am scumreading?

Can you provide explanations as to why those data points are what I would do as mafia?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I guess jamiet really did do the ultimate troll on the scumteam with his coppotato avatar.

twirly-twirly-twirly potato

@Will this is the only player to posit Jamie was killed for avatar changes. are you struggling to remember things now?

i think this is now several times youve made a statement and then played dumb about it happening.

First was you not remembering your read on me being scum was that I mentioned jamie as mafia at night and now youve posited maybe jamie died for avatar changes and vecna was the one to post such an idea jokingly.

Why are you forgetting your own content?

I’m sure I can remember all 450 posts perfectly.

[ghug]

if i die, laugh a lot