Mafia 86: Accidents Happen... - Game Thread

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

VOTE COUNT 1.4 "Maybe I should actually use the bot and not miss a vote like I did with Bunny, which was not intentionally, I'm sorry, [insert theme of the game]"-edition

BunnyGo (3) - sweetandcool, foodcoats, damo666
foodcoats (3) - brainbomb, ghug, BunnyGo
sweetandcool (1) - JustAGuyNamedWill
bozotheclown (1) - Jamiet99uk
Chaqa (1) - Vecna



No one seems to be getting involved with involuntary contact with the thresher machine.


Looks like everyone has met posting requirements.

Five people still need to vote or face something unexpected.

About 3 hours an 15 minutes left for day one.

I don’t particularly like Bunny as the leading wagon. 2 votes, sure. But leading? This gives off hella darg vibes from M1027

I have a feeling that the sweet wagon isn’t going anywhere.

I don’t want to waste my vote on someone who’s wagon has no traction.

I think this is Bunny, realizing he is fucked if he doesn’t do something, trying to appeal to brain’s suspicion of me.

Hard scumread on sweet, but no one else seems to think so.

##VOTE BUNNY

Not necessarily one big reason, more like a compounding of little reasons.

Man, what the heck is this wishy-washy shit.

Frog, then me, then sweet, then ghug, then food, then back to me, then Frog?

Just in case anyone wanted to know why I still think Will is the last mafia

Brain, this is just things I said. How does this make me look scummy?

[brainbomb]

as soon as will saw he no longer had to bus sweet, he left that wagon to instead vote alongside sweet, on bunny. moments before, exactly 7 minutes before will was saying

I don’t particularly like Bunny as the leading wagon. 2 votes, sure. But leading? This gives off hella darg vibes from M1027

First will can you explain what hella darg vibes are from M1027? I wasnt in that game so what is that exactly?

but when he realizes that he doesnt want to actually get his mafia godfather killed, he figures no one is paying attention so lets justify the bunny vote now in a way that tries to fly under the radar.

##VOTE BUNNY

Not necessarily one big reason, more like a compounding of little reasons.

and this is where sweet calls it out and asserts Will has to be mafia. Sweet never votes will and will takes it as the signal to just go back to bussing because this was a failed pivot effort and the reactivity being displayed here is distancing

[brainbomb]

Brain, this is just things I said. How does this make me look scummy?

because that is how we play forum mafia. we look at the things people say and do, and then we decide if they are good or bad, town or scum. you are scum and your words and actions here spell out a nervous mafia who wanted the sweet wagon to die, and you took an opportunity to pivot to bunny instead. under our noses

[Chaqa]

Chaqa essentially said he would not vote for any of his counter wagons except damo, despite specifically not town reading Hamilton and sweetandcool an hour earlier.

If you read all of my posts, I was skeptical of the lack of cases on sweet and Hamilton. I’m still not sure how we caught them besides dumb luck

Dumb luck?

What a load of horseshit lmao.

Theres a bunch of people giving an absolute masterclass in mafia performance (game, not allignment) this game. I find it sort of disrespectfull that you try to diminish their accomplishment, just because you didnt see it.

There’s always luck involved in catching mafia.

I’ve been on the receiving end of incorrect “masterclasses in mafia” too often to believe it most of the time. People remember the successes and forget the failures.

[brainbomb]

I need to find it first. Do u have the post number?

I found it. I think it doesn’t matter. Ghug has differing reads from mine, but I do not scumread him for it.

You found it? the post where ghug has different reads?

BunnyGo - In re-reading it's very hard to decide where Bunny is at. Overall I think I really dislike the approach here - not the frame story about the GT, but the level of stream-of-consciousness. It's very hard for me to parse what Bunny is actually thinking. Overall it actually obfuscates the thread and his thinking, even though he intersperses the stream of thoughts with reads-lists. Bunny is basically actively detracting from the game by overstuffing it with thoughts that don't lead anywhere. Scumlean.

JustAGuyNamedWill - I very much like the way that Will is playing. Last game I really misunderstood him. Obviously there's the question as to whether the difference is that he was town last time and didn't care about weird mistakes, and now he is being much more active because he's scum. But I like the way he's countered some arguments and I think it would not be fair to assume people don't get better at playing the game, and therefore I am going to lean town on Will. I don't like his logic about sweet... but since that is largely the one thing I find wrong, and I voted for him incorrectly last time over one single thing, maybe this is indeed the place where I could go wrong about him, but this time I won't. Will Town.

sweetandcool - I'm in a very similar situation with sweet as I am with Will. Town lean.

New evidence: these posts indicate a lack of reading

Will, when you read this you first called it cherry picking on my part. but you also think food is scum. So why did you dismiss these parts of foods reads list at the time?

and then when I asked you what you thought of foods reads list you made some comment about ghug and I never asked you about ghug at all?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

as soon as will saw he no longer had to bus sweet, he left that wagon to instead vote alongside sweet, on bunny. moments before, exactly 7 minutes before will was saying

I don’t particularly like Bunny as the leading wagon. 2 votes, sure. But leading? This gives off hella darg vibes from M1027

First will can you explain what hella darg vibes are from M1027? I wasnt in that game so what is that exactly?

but when he realizes that he doesnt want to actually get his mafia godfather killed, he figures no one is paying attention so lets justify the bunny vote now in a way that tries to fly under the radar.

##VOTE BUNNY

Not necessarily one big reason, more like a compounding of little reasons.

and this is where sweet calls it out and asserts Will has to be mafia. Sweet never votes will and will takes it as the signal to just go back to bussing because this was a failed pivot effort and the reactivity being displayed here is distancing

Darg was a leading wagon in that game for no real good reason. He was a good choice, but didn’t warrant being the leading wagon. Same with Bunny.

I switched to Bunny because I thought no one else was gonna vote sweet. It was a wasted vote if I ended up being the only vote on Sweet. But when damo hopped on sweet, I realized there was an actual chance he could be killed if I got back on, so I did.

I think it would’ve been scummier for me to stay on sweet, because staying on someone who isn’t going to die is kind of scummy if Bunny flips mafia. Of course, I didn’t know that sweet was the Godfather at the time.

If I were bussing, why wouldn’t I have done Hamilton?

[Chaqa]

I’d hardly call some of the reasoning you all used to vote Sweet a masterclass.

Damo voted him because he hadn’t moved his vote

Vecna voted him because he didn’t want to vote Bunny or Damo

Will found a scumtell which maybe could be considered a “masterclass” but id need to get some more perspective on it

I definitely have a soapbox here as the most miskilled person in WebDip history, but generally I don’t think there’s anything special to how these two mafia were caught

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I found it. I think it doesn’t matter. Ghug has differing reads from mine, but I do not scumread him for it.

You found it? the post where ghug has different reads?

New evidence: these posts indicate a lack of reading

Will, when you read this you first called it cherry picking on my part. but you also think food is scum. So why did you dismiss these parts of foods reads list at the time?

and then when I asked you what you thought of foods reads list you made some comment about ghug and I never asked you about ghug at all?

I’ve got to go but I will answer this later

[brainbomb]

Darg was a leading wagon in that game for no real good reason. He was a good choice, but didn’t warrant being the leading wagon. Same with Bunny.

I switched to Bunny because I thought no one else was gonna vote sweet. It was a wasted vote if I ended up being the only vote on Sweet. But when damo hopped on sweet, I realized there was an actual chance he could be killed if I got back on, so I did.

I think it would’ve been scummier for me to stay on sweet, because staying on someone who isn’t going to die is kind of scummy if Bunny flips mafia. Of course, I didn’t know that sweet was the Godfather at the time.

If I were bussing, why wouldn’t I have done Hamilton?

staying on someone who might still die, who you think is mafia is not a scummy thing to do. whoever taught you that to be true is posturing a playstyle that works for them.
I suspect you don't really believe this to be the way to play. vanity wagons are a normal thing and they are not alignment indicative.

hamilton was not even a wagon at all here, so you answered your own question. if you think starting a vanity wagon to bus hamilton is a solid play that would make your statement that staying on a sweet vanity wagon a poor play, a lie.

[BunnyGo]

VOTE COUNT 1.4 "Maybe I should actually use the bot and not miss a vote like I did with Bunny, which was not intentionally, I'm sorry, [insert theme of the game]"-edition

BunnyGo (3) - sweetandcool, foodcoats, damo666
foodcoats (3) - brainbomb, ghug, BunnyGo
sweetandcool (1) - JustAGuyNamedWill
bozotheclown (1) - Jamiet99uk
Chaqa (1) - Vecna



No one seems to be getting involved with involuntary contact with the thresher machine.


Looks like everyone has met posting requirements.

Five people still need to vote or face something unexpected.

About 3 hours an 15 minutes left for day one.

I don’t particularly like Bunny as the leading wagon. 2 votes, sure. But leading? This gives off hella darg vibes from M1027

I have a feeling that the sweet wagon isn’t going anywhere.

I don’t want to waste my vote on someone who’s wagon has no traction.

To the GT:

Just is pinging me a bit too, but I feel a bit bad saying so. I’m glad he’s playing in a way that I can follow kore at least.

I think this is Bunny, realizing he is fucked if he doesn’t do something, trying to appeal to brain’s suspicion of me.

Hard scumread on sweet, but no one else seems to think so.

##VOTE BUNNY

Not necessarily one big reason, more like a compounding of little reasons.

Its interesting that frog was heavily sussed; was not doing great in interrogation. Was being pushed by alot of people.

Did nothing and had vanished. and as I recall he said his scum meta is to disappear under pressure.

But all the pressure has just left the room once hes gone. so if true; hes done exactly what he is great at.

##Vote frog

Man, what the heck is this wishy-washy shit.

Frog, then me, then sweet, then ghug, then food, then back to me, then Frog?

Just in case anyone wanted to know why I still think Will is the last mafia

I’ll pay off to it. Will can keep me alive to EOG and guarantee a win.

[Frogsterking]

I might not be online at EoN. If I miss it and end up dying, please see my bozo case on p131 as mandatory reading for everyone.

I'll post my own case first and see what I missed after.

[Frogsterking]

Yeah; I had a bad stretch there.

You had a bad stretch where?

Firing from the hip.

Sus right out of the gate.

I am waiting for Bunny to dispense with the "To the GT" if he's going to continue dropping the inner workings on to all of us.

Do you believe Bunny, brainbomb and I are the scum team or are you just unhappy to see us?

aged GREAT for froggy

I really fucked up D2

[ghug]

@Ghug:

Im noting youre now sort of defending Bozo, while for large parts of yesterday you were voting him.

If my reasons for being suspicious of Bozo are wrong according to you, then what were your different reasons to be suspicious enough to be voting him for a long time? Did anything change?

I think your specific point is questionable and I'm given pause by his brazen defence of Hamilton, but I still think there's a decent shot it's him. I'm more just not compelled by your argument specifically. My suspicion of Bozo comes largely that his reads of certain people and situations (the D2 fake claims, Hamilton, Frog) feel uncharacteristically lazy.

[ghug]

##vote Ham

that post was bizarre

bus to bus?

He got of the minute I joined, though.

[brainbomb]

I was under the impression most people wanted to bury foodcoats having actually claimed doctor there. and that was the real reason why people didnt think he was trying to out the doc. thus the roleblock claim seemed even more plausible.

bozo came in posturing as if there was a chance bozo is/was real doc and seemed to instantly focus on that, and only later analyzed it for what it appeared to be.

my arguments match bozos on food having claimed a PR role, and yet no real doc ever came forward to say it was a lie, or a phish attempt. Therefore, the idea is that bozo tried to argue the same thing I did, and used his voice to make the case. And much like my argument it failed.
I dont see bozo doing this as scum because he wouldve known it would totally fail anyway. he wouldve had a much better chance as mafia to just sit back and not even go anywhere near that.

I think Jamie dying is overwhelming evidence that someone wants bozo to die and I think given that Will is not talking about bozo, and has a POE of me-food-chaqa, that when bozo flips town, I envision that will is going to assert that one of those three was scum trying to generate miskills.

[brainbomb]

As much as town would like to go for a clean sweep win, I think eliminating myself or will tomorrow ensures that you wont have to deal with either of us in endgame.

Scan one of the two of us, and kill the other. that is my suggestion

[Frogsterking]

I was under the impression most people wanted to bury foodcoats having actually claimed doctor there. and that was the real reason why people didnt think he was trying to out the doc. thus the roleblock claim seemed even more plausible.

bozo came in posturing as if there was a chance bozo is/was real doc and seemed to instantly focus on that, and only later analyzed it for what it appeared to be.

my arguments match bozos on food having claimed a PR role, and yet no real doc ever came forward to say it was a lie, or a phish attempt. Therefore, the idea is that bozo tried to argue the same thing I did, and used his voice to make the case. And much like my argument it failed.
I dont see bozo doing this as scum because he wouldve known it would totally fail anyway. he wouldve had a much better chance as mafia to just sit back and not even go anywhere near that.

I think Jamie dying is overwhelming evidence that someone wants bozo to die and I think given that Will is not talking about bozo, and has a POE of me-food-chaqa, that when bozo flips town, I envision that will is going to assert that one of those three was scum trying to generate miskills.

I thought jamiet sussed bozo?

[brainbomb]

I havent had a good game, but I stand by the belief in myself that I was right about one of my major three scum targets this game. As bunny and food seem less and less likely it only leaves will, and I think this is the answer

[brainbomb]

I was under the impression most people wanted to bury foodcoats having actually claimed doctor there. and that was the real reason why people didnt think he was trying to out the doc. thus the roleblock claim seemed even more plausible.

bozo came in posturing as if there was a chance bozo is/was real doc and seemed to instantly focus on that, and only later analyzed it for what it appeared to be.

my arguments match bozos on food having claimed a PR role, and yet no real doc ever came forward to say it was a lie, or a phish attempt. Therefore, the idea is that bozo tried to argue the same thing I did, and used his voice to make the case. And much like my argument it failed.
I dont see bozo doing this as scum because he wouldve known it would totally fail anyway. he wouldve had a much better chance as mafia to just sit back and not even go anywhere near that.

I think Jamie dying is overwhelming evidence that someone wants bozo to die and I think given that Will is not talking about bozo, and has a POE of me-food-chaqa, that when bozo flips town, I envision that will is going to assert that one of those three was scum trying to generate miskills.

I thought jamiet sussed bozo?

He did. and my point is that jamie was killed to make bozo look more likely as scum

[Frogsterking]

As much as town would like to go for a clean sweep win, I think eliminating myself or will tomorrow ensures that you wont have to deal with either of us in endgame.

Scan one of the two of us, and kill the other. that is my suggestion

Nah I'm going with noble plan Everyone* Gets Out Alive