Mafia 86: Accidents Happen... - Game Thread

[BunnyGo]

##vote bozo.

The questions are pointed. But the results are leading. And the statements have a conclusion before the thoughts are said.

Can you give me an example of "statements have a conclusion before the thoughts are said"?

BunnyGo is mafia.

I think that food is doing scummy thing because of A B and C.

But if food is town, then BunnyGo is mafia.

[bozotheclown]

Heart getting EOD wrong is NAI

I don't think heart has been mafia here yet, and I suspect he would be more careful about the EOD time if he was mafia.

I strongly believe that he had rl obligations and issues that caused him to miss it and drop. We work together, and while we are VERY careful to never talk about a game until it is ended, I am aware of his life and work quite closely.

Oh man. I’m really sorry everyone. I hadn’t realized that the switch from 6pm to 5pm was for all phases and not just game start. I sincerely apologize and it won’t happen again. Thank you GMs for being more merciful than I deserve, I appreciate it.

heart said this, which implied he could have been on D1 EOD if he knew D1 ended an hour earlier than he expected. I am sure he had a good reason for subbing out, but that is not what I was referring to.

[bozotheclown]

##vote bozo.

The questions are pointed. But the results are leading. And the statements have a conclusion before the thoughts are said.

Can you give me an example of "statements have a conclusion before the thoughts are said"?

BunnyGo is mafia.

I think that food is doing scummy thing because of A B and C.

But if food is town, then BunnyGo is mafia.

That is an inaccurate and misleading interpretation of what I said. I suspect you as mafia for reasons independent of foodcoats, and what I said was this:

If foodcoats is town, there is likely one mafia voting for me and one voting for Hamilton, because I suspect myself vs. Hamilton is what the mafia want to see. I think damo and dargorygel are probably town, so that leaves one of Vecna/BunnyGo and one of ghug/Chaqa. I think I am back to BunnyGo/ghug as the most likely remaining mafia.

##VOTE BunnyGo

The point was that if foodcoats is town, then there are 2 other mafia to look for.

[BunnyGo]

I don't think heart has been mafia here yet, and I suspect he would be more careful about the EOD time if he was mafia.

I strongly believe that he had rl obligations and issues that caused him to miss it and drop. We work together, and while we are VERY careful to never talk about a game until it is ended, I am aware of his life and work quite closely.

Oh man. I’m really sorry everyone. I hadn’t realized that the switch from 6pm to 5pm was for all phases and not just game start. I sincerely apologize and it won’t happen again. Thank you GMs for being more merciful than I deserve, I appreciate it.

heart said this, which implied he could have been on D1 EOD if he knew D1 ended an hour earlier than he expected. I am sure he had a good reason for subbing out, but that is not what I was referring to.

I know. But I also know he was slammed at work that day, and probably didn't look up from his computer until EOD.

And as I said: we go out of our way not to talk about this game outside the site, so I wasn't going to warn him. He *could* have been on, but he wasn't looking until he got off work.

[BunnyGo]

Can you give me an example of "statements have a conclusion before the thoughts are said"?

BunnyGo is mafia.

I think that food is doing scummy thing because of A B and C.

But if food is town, then BunnyGo is mafia.

That is an inaccurate and misleading interpretation of what I said. I suspect you as mafia for reasons independent of foodcoats, and what I said was this:

If foodcoats is town, there is likely one mafia voting for me and one voting for Hamilton, because I suspect myself vs. Hamilton is what the mafia want to see. I think damo and dargorygel are probably town, so that leaves one of Vecna/BunnyGo and one of ghug/Chaqa. I think I am back to BunnyGo/ghug as the most likely remaining mafia.

##VOTE BunnyGo

The point was that if foodcoats is town, then there are 2 other mafia to look for.

It's a strange way to say it after MANY posts of "look how food looks scummy" and no recent posts of "look how Bunny looks scummy/towny"

[BunnyGo]

Sadly me falling asleep while rereading food last night, then waking up at 2, and then doing taxes all day means that I won't have time to reread any of those pairs I said before.

Since this seems to be a thing:

Would vote D2:

Ham
bozo
Frog

Town to Null but would vote:

ghug
darg
brain
Chaqa

Towny enough to not vote:

food
Just
Vecna
damo
Bunny (me!)

[bozotheclown]

##VOTE Bunny

I find him frustratingly disagreeable, but scumreading me for bad reasons is pretty standard bozo, and he's felt better the last twelve hours.

I don't townread ham, but the wagon feels kind of lazy.

Why do you think BunnyGo might be mafia?

I thought he was mafia yesterday and his contributions today could be likened to a limp pool noodle, so I see no reason to reassess the read. Scum v scum is a plausible explanation for the way yesterday went down, and the other wagons aren't sitting quite right with me.

Why do you think BunnyGo might be mafia?

sweetandcool voting for him all of D1, BunnyGo voting for damo D1 EOD, BunnyGo trying to make damo looks suspicious D1 EOD for voting for sweetandcool when sweetandcool was BunnyGo's counter wagon, sweetandcool antagonizing damo for voting for BunnyGo, you voting for damo D1 instead of sweetandcool or BunnyGo, you calling for others to vote for damo instead of sweetandcool or BunnyGo because damo was voting for heart even though BunnyGo was also voting for heart, and you voting for BunnyGo D1 EOD to tie the vote instead of voting for sweetandcool.

[bozotheclown]

BunnyGo is mafia.

I think that food is doing scummy thing because of A B and C.

But if food is town, then BunnyGo is mafia.

That is an inaccurate and misleading interpretation of what I said. I suspect you as mafia for reasons independent of foodcoats, and what I said was this:

If foodcoats is town, there is likely one mafia voting for me and one voting for Hamilton, because I suspect myself vs. Hamilton is what the mafia want to see. I think damo and dargorygel are probably town, so that leaves one of Vecna/BunnyGo and one of ghug/Chaqa. I think I am back to BunnyGo/ghug as the most likely remaining mafia.

##VOTE BunnyGo

The point was that if foodcoats is town, then there are 2 other mafia to look for.

It's a strange way to say it after MANY posts of "look how food looks scummy" and no recent posts of "look how Bunny looks scummy/towny"

I may have been wrong about foodcoats. In any case, I now suspect you more.

[bozotheclown]

Sadly me falling asleep while rereading food last night, then waking up at 2, and then doing taxes all day means that I won't have time to reread any of those pairs I said before.

Since this seems to be a thing:

Would vote D2:

Ham
bozo
Frog

Town to Null but would vote:

ghug
darg
brain
Chaqa

Towny enough to not vote:

food
Just
Vecna
damo
Bunny (me!)

Why do you suspect Frogsterking?

[ghug]

Why do you think BunnyGo might be mafia?

I thought he was mafia yesterday and his contributions today could be likened to a limp pool noodle, so I see no reason to reassess the read. Scum v scum is a plausible explanation for the way yesterday went down, and the other wagons aren't sitting quite right with me.

Why do you think BunnyGo might be mafia?

sweetandcool voting for him all of D1, BunnyGo voting for damo D1 EOD, BunnyGo trying to make damo looks suspicious D1 EOD for voting for sweetandcool when sweetandcool was BunnyGo's counter wagon, sweetandcool antagonizing damo for voting for BunnyGo, you voting for damo D1 instead of sweetandcool or BunnyGo, you calling for others to vote for damo instead of sweetandcool or BunnyGo because damo was voting for heart even though BunnyGo was also voting for heart, and you voting for BunnyGo D1 EOD to tie the vote instead of voting for sweetandcool.

The call for others to vote for damo came when Bunny was at 3 and heart and damo were at 2. Sweet was at 1. I was advocating for damo over heart, because I found both damo and Bunny suspicious and wanted them to be the wagons.

[bozotheclown]

I thought he was mafia yesterday and his contributions today could be likened to a limp pool noodle, so I see no reason to reassess the read. Scum v scum is a plausible explanation for the way yesterday went down, and the other wagons aren't sitting quite right with me.

Why do you think BunnyGo might be mafia?

sweetandcool voting for him all of D1, BunnyGo voting for damo D1 EOD, BunnyGo trying to make damo looks suspicious D1 EOD for voting for sweetandcool when sweetandcool was BunnyGo's counter wagon, sweetandcool antagonizing damo for voting for BunnyGo, you voting for damo D1 instead of sweetandcool or BunnyGo, you calling for others to vote for damo instead of sweetandcool or BunnyGo because damo was voting for heart even though BunnyGo was also voting for heart, and you voting for BunnyGo D1 EOD to tie the vote instead of voting for sweetandcool.

The call for others to vote for damo came when Bunny was at 3 and heart and damo were at 2. Sweet was at 1. I was advocating for damo over heart, because I found both damo and Bunny suspicious and wanted them to be the wagons.

What was wrong with BunnyGo being the wagon? You could have voted for BunnyGo then to make it 4-2-2.

[ghug]

sweetandcool voting for him all of D1, BunnyGo voting for damo D1 EOD, BunnyGo trying to make damo looks suspicious D1 EOD for voting for sweetandcool when sweetandcool was BunnyGo's counter wagon, sweetandcool antagonizing damo for voting for BunnyGo, you voting for damo D1 instead of sweetandcool or BunnyGo, you calling for others to vote for damo instead of sweetandcool or BunnyGo because damo was voting for heart even though BunnyGo was also voting for heart, and you voting for BunnyGo D1 EOD to tie the vote instead of voting for sweetandcool.

The call for others to vote for damo came when Bunny was at 3 and heart and damo were at 2. Sweet was at 1. I was advocating for damo over heart, because I found both damo and Bunny suspicious and wanted them to be the wagons.

What was wrong with BunnyGo being the wagon? You could have voted for BunnyGo then to make it 4-2-2.

I wanted two wagons.

[ghug]

The call for others to vote for damo came when Bunny was at 3 and heart and damo were at 2. Sweet was at 1. I was advocating for damo over heart, because I found both damo and Bunny suspicious and wanted them to be the wagons.

What was wrong with BunnyGo being the wagon? You could have voted for BunnyGo then to make it 4-2-2.

I wanted two wagons.

Two close* wagons. Three would have been fine too, but I didn't have interest in causing the runaway, and I thought both damo and Bunny were good options.

[bozotheclown]

What was wrong with BunnyGo being the wagon? You could have voted for BunnyGo then to make it 4-2-2.

I wanted two wagons.

Two close* wagons. Three would have been fine too, but I didn't have interest in causing the runaway, and I thought both damo and Bunny were good options.

Yes, but the question is why you wanted 2 close wagons. If you are mafia, I assume it was so that damo had a chance to be the DK over sweetandcool and BunnyGo. If you are town, I assume the reason was that you wanted someone else to make the choice between damo and BunnyGo so you could get information from it. Either are possible, but I like the mafia reason better.

[BunnyGo]

Sadly me falling asleep while rereading food last night, then waking up at 2, and then doing taxes all day means that I won't have time to reread any of those pairs I said before.

Since this seems to be a thing:

Would vote D2:

Ham
bozo
Frog

Town to Null but would vote:

ghug
darg
brain
Chaqa

Towny enough to not vote:

food
Just
Vecna
damo
Bunny (me!)

Why do you suspect Frogsterking?

His day 1 posting was not good.

His vote was excellent.

But I don’t really trust anything before or since, and I think he could be a player who makes a big bet for his first scum game on a new site. Especially since he told us he freezes up as scum.

[bozotheclown]

Sadly me falling asleep while rereading food last night, then waking up at 2, and then doing taxes all day means that I won't have time to reread any of those pairs I said before.

Since this seems to be a thing:

Would vote D2:

Ham
bozo
Frog

Town to Null but would vote:

ghug
darg
brain
Chaqa

Towny enough to not vote:

food
Just
Vecna
damo
Bunny (me!)

Why do you suspect Frogsterking?

His day 1 posting was not good.

His vote was excellent.

But I don’t really trust anything before or since, and I think he could be a player who makes a big bet for his first scum game on a new site. Especially since he told us he freezes up as scum.

I don't know what you and ghug are talking about regarding Frogsterking.

[BunnyGo]

Why do you suspect Frogsterking?

His day 1 posting was not good.

His vote was excellent.

But I don’t really trust anything before or since, and I think he could be a player who makes a big bet for his first scum game on a new site. Especially since he told us he freezes up as scum.

I don't know what you and ghug are talking about regarding Frogsterking.

What about my statement is confusing you?

[ghug]

I wanted two wagons.

Two close* wagons. Three would have been fine too, but I didn't have interest in causing the runaway, and I thought both damo and Bunny were good options.

Yes, but the question is why you wanted 2 close wagons. If you are mafia, I assume it was so that damo had a chance to be the DK over sweetandcool and BunnyGo. If you are town, I assume the reason was that you wanted someone else to make the choice between damo and BunnyGo so you could get information from it. Either are possible, but I like the mafia reason better.

Was I trying to bus Bunny over sweet or was I trying to save both of them? Your story isn't consistent.

Sweet wasn't a top wagon at this point, which means if I was protecting someone with that push, it was either Bunny or heart.

[ghug]

Why do you suspect Frogsterking?

His day 1 posting was not good.

His vote was excellent.

But I don’t really trust anything before or since, and I think he could be a player who makes a big bet for his first scum game on a new site. Especially since he told us he freezes up as scum.

I don't know what you and ghug are talking about regarding Frogsterking.

Read Jamie's case from N1 on his D1 play. His sweet push was low on explanation, and it's pretty easy to imagine it came from a place of "I see my teammate being weird, these other people do too; it's a matter of time, so I better come on strong". N1 and D2 have been very low on reacting to anything. It's a lot of empty questions and needling around those questions but very little interaction with anything going on in the thread that doesn't concern him.

[ghug]

##VOTE Frog