Mafia 86: Accidents Happen... - Game Thread

[foodcoats]

Yes, and brainbomb voted to hammer you before ghug voted for you. What did I have incorrect?

So you see there was this thing where ghug said "I'm the cop and I have a guilty scan."

What ghug said was this:

There have been multiple people that have crumbed PR. What the fuck is going on?

I'm the cop. I crumbed my scan result and soon brainbomb will announce it.

Then you said this:

I'm the cop. I crumbed my scan result and soon brainbomb will announce it.

Wow what did brainbomb get from your one post?

Where ghug's one post was this:

RIP Jamie

Better to die on impact than be eaten alive down there, I suppose.

How did you think it was possible that ghug communicated a guilt scan of you in that post?

This meta has like... what... 12ish? steadfast players in it that have been doing this for years. It was not inconceivable to me that there was some inside joke that ghug included in his RIP post that brain picked up. That's why I said "Wow."

[foodcoats]

So you see there was this thing where ghug said "I'm the cop and I have a guilty scan."

What ghug said was this:

I'm the cop. I crumbed my scan result and soon brainbomb will announce it.

Then you said this:

Wow what did brainbomb get from your one post?

Where ghug's one post was this:

RIP Jamie

Better to die on impact than be eaten alive down there, I suppose.

How did you think it was possible that ghug communicated a guilt scan of you in that post?

This meta has like... what... 12ish? steadfast players in it that have been doing this for years. It was not inconceivable to me that there was some inside joke that ghug included in his RIP post that brain picked up. That's why I said "Wow."

Oh, sorry, to clarify, I did not think those posts claimed the scan was on me. It was when they both voted for me that my opinion of the interaction changed.

[Frogsterking]

Did I make oopsie in my reads? Foodcoats, did you answer my questions yet?

[foodcoats]

Saying I "jumped to a conclusion" is disingenuous. I'm not going to quote everything for you because you should read the whole interaction, but:

1. ghug said he was the cop, that he had a guilty scan, that he had crumbed the scan, brain had figured it out, and brain would reveal it
2. brain voted for me, then ghug voted for me

To think this is not sending a message that they mechanically knew I was mafia is absurd. And since I knew it was impossible, I challenged them.

So do you see them as more likely town or more likely mafia?

I think that overall I have to accept the overwhelming opinion that this is how people play the game here and therefore it is more or less NAI.

[foodcoats]

If Bunny was scum, sweet would likely have made a case on me instead.

That is an interesting point. However, why would sweet NOT make a case on you and instead focused on Bunny if they were teammates?

Sweet might've done that to distance from his teammate. But it is the timing that matters. It was 2:39 to go and the wagons were me at 4 and Bunny at 3. sweet then voted for Bunny. As I said when I was reviewing this overnight, it's a terrible look for me, but from my perspective, I know I am town, and therefore it's basically unimaginable to me that Bunny is scum.

[foodcoats]

I find it suspicious despite your explanation.

Okay. I don't think I can add any more information for you at this point.

Although talking about this again is making me realize again how awful brain and ghug's play is if they are actually town.

If you are town, I would like to understand what happened, so please let me know how you interpreted this sequence:

guilty
guilty
guilty
guilty
guilty

Ah man you should have held it a day.

sorry ghug. got too happy.

Ah well, good scan.

We're about to get Chaqa'd by the last one though.

There have been multiple people that have crumbed PR. What the fuck is going on?

I'm the cop. I crumbed my scan result and soon brainbomb will announce it.

I took ghug's explanation at face value that brain had drawn something from ghug's first post.

If it helps explain: I, as town, have not and would never do this as town. It is unconscionable that I would create so much confusion. On the other hand, it seems this is normal here. But I believe I have heard worcej and others complain that towns here are unable to win without mechanics due to problems with ego and shenanigans. So it kind of all fits, I guess.

[foodcoats]

So food...if you're thinking bozo is pretty town, I am assuming you remove your vote off of them. Where do you go with your vote? Of your bozo voters who's your least likely town?

Not sure where yet but Chaqa is the voter I least trust on bozo.

[foodcoats]

Frogster, what do you think about brainbomb? What does that guy of yours say?

My "guy" ?

I've been assuming that brainbomb is town for most of this game, if they are scum then they are pretty good at appearing town.

Oh, woops. That was supposed to be "gut." Thank you for weighing in.

[foodcoats]

May as well see how it feels.

##VOTE Chaqa

[Frogsterking]

If Bunny was scum, sweet would likely have made a case on me instead.

That is an interesting point. However, why would sweet NOT make a case on you and instead focused on Bunny if they were teammates?

Sweet might've done that to distance from his teammate. But it is the timing that matters. It was 2:39 to go and the wagons were me at 4 and Bunny at 3. sweet then voted for Bunny. As I said when I was reviewing this overnight, it's a terrible look for me, but from my perspective, I know I am town, and therefore it's basically unimaginable to me that Bunny is scum.

Yikes. I need to look closer at the D1 wagons.

[ghug]

Okay. I don't think I can add any more information for you at this point.

Although talking about this again is making me realize again how awful brain and ghug's play is if they are actually town.

If you are town, I would like to understand what happened, so please let me know how you interpreted this sequence:

Ah man you should have held it a day.

Ah well, good scan.

We're about to get Chaqa'd by the last one though.

I'm the cop. I crumbed my scan result and soon brainbomb will announce it.

I took ghug's explanation at face value that brain had drawn something from ghug's first post.

If it helps explain: I, as town, have not and would never do this as town. It is unconscionable that I would create so much confusion. On the other hand, it seems this is normal here. But I believe I have heard worcej and others complain that towns here are unable to win without mechanics due to problems with ego and shenanigans. So it kind of all fits, I guess.

Confusion is pro-town.

[Hamilton Brian]

@Frog, my post shows up. I hope you're not being obtuse to gain...

What would you gain by...?

Oh, ok.

[Frogsterking]

Ghug, I lumped you and darg and you and foodcoats together because I was in a time crunch writing the post (I was at work.) I had plans to ask a lot more questions but whatever.

[Frogsterking]

@Frog, my post shows up. I hope you're not being obtuse to gain...

What would you gain by...?

Oh, ok.

Huh? I found it, I got confused reading your ISO because I thought your (D2) vote on Bunny was a D1 post.

Maybe there are others? I'd like to see a response to Jamie's case on you too.

Jamie's post on me was bad in a special kind of way that can only come from town.

That's kind of a hindsight thing, isn't it?

No I see that kind of post every once and a while and I expect it to come from town.

[Frogsterking]

I could see Damo or Vecna bussing, tbh.

You are probably my #1 most likely busser, but Vecna could possibly have bussed.

I don't think I should qualify to be a busser as I didn't want to vote Sweet. I was voting to protect Bunny. You should be questioning why I would protect Bunny when Sweet was godfather.

More pointedly, if I was scum with Sweet, would it not have made sense for me to establish more of a town read on him so I would not be forced to vote him against my read on Bunny?

Basically, I think any chance I'm mafia existed with me being Bunny's teammate, but that would only work if Sweet had not been the Godfather. Since he was, it doesn't really make any sense for me to be scum.

The fuck is this post

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Its so dead in here.

[Kakarroto]

VOTE COUNT 2.1 - "Why haven't I gone to bed yet?!?"-edition

bozotheclown (4) - ghug, Chaqa, BunnyGo, damo666
Hamilton Brian (2) - Vecna, dargorygel
foodcoats (2) - bozotheclown, brainbomb
BunnyGo (1) - Hamilton Brian
brainbomb (1) - JustAGuyNamedWill
Chaqa (1) - foodcoats

Not voted: Frogsterking

bozotheclown might suffer an unexpected short circuit in his system


Yal'l seem to have reached minimum posting requirements.

About 16 hours and 35 minutes left for day two.

[bozotheclown]

why does jamiet's avatar keep changing every 5 minutes.

its tilting

I guess jamiet really did do the ultimate troll on the scumteam with his coppotato avatar.

twirly-twirly-twirly potato

It is possible Vecna was trying to determine if Jamie was crumbing cop.

[bozotheclown]

To the GT:

##VOTE BunnyGo

Did you think what BunnyGo was doing made him more likely to be mafia, or was this just a joke?

Also, when you placed that vote, did you know sweetandcool was already voting for him?

[Frogsterking]

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Ok, I'm getting kind of tired of this.. I am catching more heat for being a bunny voter than any actual Bunny voter. I have stated, and nobody has disputed, that I do this every game to similar reactions. I have not tried to take credit for ending on sweet. Why are you framing it like I did it for cred?

Thinking my moving off of sweet is suspicious, I get, but the fact that you continue to ignore anything anyone in the game is saying is lazy at best and scummy at worst.

Did you get anything useful out of all of your contrived pair questions overnight?

Ghug trying to take credit for EoD vote:

I'm good with any of these wagons other than Chaqa. Sweet is probably my next least favorite at this point. I townread Bozo, brain, and Chaqa.

The primary motivation of my food vote was to see what would happen. The reads list pinged me a little but it was definitely not my strongest scumread at that point. The reaction, though, is really irking me.

Ghug, can you explain the different stances? This is you 1h before eod

But after the flip you said you shouldve followed your gut.

Did you really have a gut feeling of sweet being scum, but then you publically announce you dislike his wagon badly?

Yes, I announced the gut read of sweet and it was talked about a lot. I took my foot off the gas a little bit because nothing had corroborated that one moment and bozo pointed out that I'd only actually caught him that way once, but you can also see I still liked the wagon, just less than some others.

Ah yes you were so, so helpful in building the sweet wagon that's why it was stuck on 1 vote 20 minutes before the deadline. You were too busy pushing wagons onto slots like damo, hamiltonbrian and foodcoats, but yeah you *really* "liked" the sweet (godfather) wagon I guess.

I'd given the impression I wouldn't?

You were my preferred target when I voted for food, but I thought giving you a commanding lead would be less interesting.

Huh. Fooled me by voting everyone else. And saying things like:

I think that slightly undersells my suspicion of sweet in that game. I came out of his shooting looking so good that his teammate shot me later in the day.

But anyway, it's really just vibes. He said something that felt slimy and fake, which is the same thing he did in M83 and the same thing I probably overindexed on when I bussed him in M84. I responded to the post that pinged me this game, though he hasn't done much of anything since.

And

I think food is scum.

And

Why was that reaction impossible yesterday when you were reading?

In fact…within the last 19 hours of the day (until voting me) the only posts you directly interacted with me or mentioned me was regarding Jamie appearing to edit his post, and disagreeing with chaqa that I’d not fake a townslip. (And I guess the modkill joke)


Within the last 12 hours of the day you mostly said how much you sussed food and worried anout a couple others (but not sweet).

So yeah…I guess someone counting votes would have seen you say you liked any wagon available except chaqa and sweet. I was still putting you in the sussing sweet camp from an hour earlier in the day. I like how you used the word slimy or sliminess when we discussing sweets alignment and only when discussing sweets alignment.

Here I said I liked the sweet wagon, I just liked it less than the others:

I'm good with any of these wagons other than Chaqa. Sweet is probably my next least favorite at this point. I townread Bozo, brain, and Chaqa.

The primary motivation of my food vote was to see what would happen. The reads list pinged me a little but it was definitely not my strongest scumread at that point. The reaction, though, is really irking me.

I explained in the same post coming up on EoD that I'd overblown my initial food suspicion but it had grown with his reaction. I voiced my suspicion for you when I accused you of intentionally trying to antagonize me and solidified it in my very detailed read list:

Can you give me a full reads list with explanations by the time I check the thread again?

ghug - Town, role PM
Chaqa - Town, outburst
Sweet - scum, vibes
Bunny - scum, trying to provoke me
everyone else - null, boringness

I'm willing to attribute it to your having played somewhere weird before, but asking people to force reads lists early in the game is bad.

So here in response to Bunny you double down that you sincerely "liked" the sweet wagon, implying you really supported that wagon all along, and your vote wasn't just to prevent a tie. Bunny raises similar concerns I have about your vote movements during the latter bit of D1 and your response is hilarious, you have no ability to explain your scummy wagon movements and attempts to manipulate the wagon into a TvT cross. You just quote your old reads list, an emerging theme in your ISO where you plie for credibility by appealing to consistency and how you already "explained"--explained how scummy you are--hoping we are stupid and forget about the whole interaction.

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Ok, I'm getting kind of tired of this.. I am catching more heat for being a bunny voter than any actual Bunny voter

Even in the original prompt you gave which caused me to write this you call yourself a non-bunny voter. But you were literally an actual bunny voter:

There's always a risk of a tie. I believed it unlikely Bunny would win.

I do this every game, Jamie.

So you believed the vote was settled and there was not going to be a tie but also there's always the risk of a tie.

Perfectly clear, thanks.

I believed a shift to Bunny winning was exceedingly unlikely at that point. A tie was more likely, but still unlikely. There's no reason not to pile on.

Again, I do this very consistently, and the only downside is that some people seem to be confused by it, so I see no reason to change my ways or to read into my alignment from it.

You only voted sweet to "prevent a tie." You claim over and over across many posts in your ISO that you do these "tie breaking" vote movements "consistently" in your town meta. My problem is that YOU created the tie intentionally:

##VOTE Bunny

A tie I can get behind.

And you made other scummy attempts to tie and influence the wagons onto likely town slots before that:

##VOTE damo

Someone should hop on damo to tie it. I don't like the heart voters.

Your slot sucks a lot and should probably die today in order to move our solve forward. You're welcome for answering your question by the way, scum shader:

##VOTE Bunny

A tie I can get behind.

sketch

Why?

I dislike the final conclusion that I voted sweet for cred.

As an aside, I dislike the way frog handled the night, asking contrived questions to pairs of players and not responding to anything himself.

Thinking my moving off of sweet is suspicious, I get, but the fact that you continue to ignore anything anyone in the game is saying is lazy at best and scummy at worst.

Did you get anything useful out of all of your contrived pair questions overnight?

So neither foodcoats nor hamiltonbrian actually answered my questions?

The hypocrisy

Hey HamiltonBrian did you follow up yet?

Hey Frogsterking did you follow up yet?

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