Mafia 86: Accidents Happen... - Game Thread

[dargorygel]

@bozo
Mist if your wagon is complaint against your voting on D1. Most reckon that the non-sweet voters are a good pool. Others, i think, didn't like your absence, maybe? Anyway, talk about your D1 vote.

[bozotheclown]

@bozo
Mist if your wagon is complaint against your voting on D1. Most reckon that the non-sweet voters are a good pool. Others, i think, didn't like your absence, maybe? Anyway, talk about your D1 vote.

I missed D1 EOD, and when I had to leave knowing I would not be back before EOD, BunnyGo and foodcoats had 3 votes each, so I vote for foodcoats because he had said some things that I found somewhat suspicious. There had not been much voting in the hour before I voted, but for some reason there was a lot of voting activity immediately after I placed my vote.

[Hamilton Brian]

If you are mafia, it would be unlikely you and sweetandcool would both vote for BunnyGo at the beginning of D1 if he was town.

Trying to work my way through this. If you aren't mafia, it would be likely you and sweet wouldn't both vote BunnY?

You obviously think Food is mafia, but are you also suggesting you think Bunny is teammate #3?

sweetandcool and foodcoats both voted for BunnyGo quoting BunnyGo's first post of the game. It seems like an odd thing for 2 mafia to do to a town, so foodcoats being mafia would lead me to believe BunnyGo is the third.

So is that you deciding to drop a vote on Food? If Food flips mafia, then Bunny does?

Of the two, which seems more likely mafia? I think that's where to go.

[Hamilton Brian]

I am curious to hear from bozo.

Why are you giving foodcoats town credit for immediately believing someone was claiming a mafia scan on him, and why are you not suspicious of his RB claim?

I mean, I was claiming a scan on him. I think pressing me to confirm that's what I'm claiming so he can take a 1:1 is pretty townie. I think he'd be more uncomfortable or immediately CC as scum in that situation.

I don't see much reason to lie about the roleblock in that situation, and it gives us insight into a convoluted townie thought process that I also don't think he'd think to fake.

I am still having a hard time reconciling CCing. You're asserting scum would quickly CC; to what end, to then have the real PR rise up and say, "Oh no you're not." However, timing for that is critical. Especially if they haven't gotten a guilty scan yet.

What do you mean "take a 1:1?"

Anyway, I'm of the opinion PRs should keep quiet in most situations.

[bozotheclown]

In fact it goes back to the behaviour that made me scumread Bunny initially; early game he was trying to create information overload with his posts. Now he is pushing back on POE and townreading. It’s bad for town. Like if Bunny is town, why does he think he needs to coach me that I might be wrong in my read of him? It’s obvious I could be wrong. But pointing it out also shakes attempts to build foundations.

Very odd.

I do wonder.

Well, review the math I posted above. If the cop actually had a guilty scan there would be no reason to withhold it. I wasn’t PR hunting, I was testing to see if ghug was fakeclaiming scum, because a real town cop with a guilty scan can greatly simplify things for town and there is no benefit to holding the scan to EON2.

Yes given the GF is dead a cop with a guilty scan should obviously claim. The fact neither ghug (nor brain) explicitly claimed cop with a specific guilty target indicated they were messing about (either as scum or mischievous town but let's just leave it as nai). Now it is possible ghug is cop with an inno scan so asking him to confirm he is not cop is not helpful to town but is helpful to scum. So obviously ghug won't answer regardless of alignment.

At this point there is nothing more to be made of it. I have resolved to listen to my town reads closely going forward to avoid tilt towards brain and ghug. My strongest towns are BunnyGo and Frogster. I think you are town, too.

I did not see where BunnyGo became one of foodcoats strongest town reads between these posts.

[ghug]

Why are you giving foodcoats town credit for immediately believing someone was claiming a mafia scan on him, and why are you not suspicious of his RB claim?

I mean, I was claiming a scan on him. I think pressing me to confirm that's what I'm claiming so he can take a 1:1 is pretty townie. I think he'd be more uncomfortable or immediately CC as scum in that situation.

I don't see much reason to lie about the roleblock in that situation, and it gives us insight into a convoluted townie thought process that I also don't think he'd think to fake.

You did not claim a scan on him though, so why would foodcoats be inclined to believe that you did? brainbomb was soft claiming a cop scan, and you may have been trying a role swap, but foodcoats jumped to a conclusion.

I said brain was going to reveal my scan and then we both voted for food. I goaded him when he asked for clarity.

[bozotheclown]

@bozo
Mist if your wagon is complaint against your voting on D1. Most reckon that the non-sweet voters are a good pool. Others, i think, didn't like your absence, maybe? Anyway, talk about your D1 vote.

I missed D1 EOD, and when I had to leave knowing I would not be back before EOD, BunnyGo and foodcoats had 3 votes each, so I vote for foodcoats because he had said some things that I found somewhat suspicious. There had not been much voting in the hour before I voted, but for some reason there was a lot of voting activity immediately after I placed my vote.

I suspect foodcoats is mafia, and if he is, my suspicion of BunnyGo would increase, although now foodcoats seems like he may be trying to pocket BunnyGo, so I am not sure what that means in the case where foodcoats is mafia.

[ghug]

Why are you giving foodcoats town credit for immediately believing someone was claiming a mafia scan on him, and why are you not suspicious of his RB claim?

I mean, I was claiming a scan on him. I think pressing me to confirm that's what I'm claiming so he can take a 1:1 is pretty townie. I think he'd be more uncomfortable or immediately CC as scum in that situation.

I don't see much reason to lie about the roleblock in that situation, and it gives us insight into a convoluted townie thought process that I also don't think he'd think to fake.

I am still having a hard time reconciling CCing. You're asserting scum would quickly CC; to what end, to then have the real PR rise up and say, "Oh no you're not." However, timing for that is critical. Especially if they haven't gotten a guilty scan yet.

What do you mean "take a 1:1?"

Anyway, I'm of the opinion PRs should keep quiet in most situations.

If he thinks I'm the cop claiming a scan on him, and he knows he's scum, the best case scenario is that I die first, which is best accomplished by claiming that he's actually the cop.

[bozotheclown]

I mean, I was claiming a scan on him. I think pressing me to confirm that's what I'm claiming so he can take a 1:1 is pretty townie. I think he'd be more uncomfortable or immediately CC as scum in that situation.

I don't see much reason to lie about the roleblock in that situation, and it gives us insight into a convoluted townie thought process that I also don't think he'd think to fake.

You did not claim a scan on him though, so why would foodcoats be inclined to believe that you did? brainbomb was soft claiming a cop scan, and you may have been trying a role swap, but foodcoats jumped to a conclusion.

I said brain was going to reveal my scan and then we both voted for food. I goaded him when he asked for clarity.

brainbomb was soft claiming a cop scan before you said that, then voted to hammer foodcoats before you voted for foodcoats. Why would foodcoats think you were the one with a cop scan?

[bozotheclown]

I mean, I was claiming a scan on him. I think pressing me to confirm that's what I'm claiming so he can take a 1:1 is pretty townie. I think he'd be more uncomfortable or immediately CC as scum in that situation.

I don't see much reason to lie about the roleblock in that situation, and it gives us insight into a convoluted townie thought process that I also don't think he'd think to fake.

I am still having a hard time reconciling CCing. You're asserting scum would quickly CC; to what end, to then have the real PR rise up and say, "Oh no you're not." However, timing for that is critical. Especially if they haven't gotten a guilty scan yet.

What do you mean "take a 1:1?"

Anyway, I'm of the opinion PRs should keep quiet in most situations.

If he thinks I'm the cop claiming a scan on him, and he knows he's scum, the best case scenario is that I die first, which is best accomplished by claiming that he's actually the cop.

The suspicious thing is that he seemed so quick to believe there was a real cop scan claim, and that you were the one making the claim instead of brainbomb. That and the obvious doctor crumb.

[bozotheclown]

I mean, I was claiming a scan on him. I think pressing me to confirm that's what I'm claiming so he can take a 1:1 is pretty townie. I think he'd be more uncomfortable or immediately CC as scum in that situation.

I don't see much reason to lie about the roleblock in that situation, and it gives us insight into a convoluted townie thought process that I also don't think he'd think to fake.

I am still having a hard time reconciling CCing. You're asserting scum would quickly CC; to what end, to then have the real PR rise up and say, "Oh no you're not." However, timing for that is critical. Especially if they haven't gotten a guilty scan yet.

What do you mean "take a 1:1?"

Anyway, I'm of the opinion PRs should keep quiet in most situations.

If he thinks I'm the cop claiming a scan on him, and he knows he's scum, the best case scenario is that I die first, which is best accomplished by claiming that he's actually the cop.

Or, he could claim he was the doctor, forcing the doctor to CC.

[bozotheclown]

There have been multiple people that have crumbed PR. What the fuck is going on?

I'm the cop. I crumbed my scan result and soon brainbomb will announce it.

Wow what did brainbomb get from your one post?

Its bunny and food.

Thank you friends. This was my greatest moment

Its bunny and food.

Thank you friends. This was my greatest moment

What makes you think it is Bunny and I?

This is Dr. Foosier Croats… I’m listening.

This sequence demonstrates that foodcoats knew exactly what was going on and was not fooled by ghug, and it looks like he was preparing to CC brainbomb's cop claim with a doctor claim.

##VOTE food

Are you claiming you have a guilty scan on me?

foodcoats thinking ghug was the one making a cop scan claim does not make much sense here. So much so that I would not be surprised if ghug is mafia with foodcoats. That would also explain why ghug seemd to think brainbomb might have had a real scan on foodcoats.

[damo666]

I am still having a hard time reconciling CCing. You're asserting scum would quickly CC; to what end, to then have the real PR rise up and say, "Oh no you're not." However, timing for that is critical. Especially if they haven't gotten a guilty scan yet.

What do you mean "take a 1:1?"

Anyway, I'm of the opinion PRs should keep quiet in most situations.

If he thinks I'm the cop claiming a scan on him, and he knows he's scum, the best case scenario is that I die first, which is best accomplished by claiming that he's actually the cop.

Or, he could claim he was the doctor, forcing the doctor to CC.

which he didn't

[dargorygel]

I mean, I was claiming a scan on him. I think pressing me to confirm that's what I'm claiming so he can take a 1:1 is pretty townie. I think he'd be more uncomfortable or immediately CC as scum in that situation.

I don't see much reason to lie about the roleblock in that situation, and it gives us insight into a convoluted townie thought process that I also don't think he'd think to fake.

I am still having a hard time reconciling CCing. You're asserting scum would quickly CC; to what end, to then have the real PR rise up and say, "Oh no you're not." However, timing for that is critical. Especially if they haven't gotten a guilty scan yet.

What do you mean "take a 1:1?"

Anyway, I'm of the opinion PRs should keep quiet in most situations.

If he thinks I'm the cop claiming a scan on him, and he knows he's scum, the best case scenario is that I die first, which is best accomplished by claiming that he's actually the cop.

Which might be why food was pushing fir you to make your claim clear.

[bozotheclown]

To the GT:

Wtf was with that flavor text? I mean, full props for interesting historical fiction, but weird. You planning on just having tragedies from throughout history?

Jamie’s posts are strong town!Jimbo. I honestly don’t know what it is about his energy that triggers me, but last game it was niggling my brain, this game much more town.

Froggy’s opening posts read more like a person trying to play froggy from last game.

Sweet and Just…sigh.

In all honesty though, that’s on me to recalibrate some more. Heart told me after last game that he vibes well with Just. So it might be generational miscommunication. I’ll try listening better again.

Wow, I really appreciate seeing your thoughts. Unfortunately for you, it also makes it really easy to read you.

##VOTE Bunny

To the GT:

##VOTE BunnyGo

This is odd, but maybe foodcoats did not even see sweetandcool's vote when he voted for BunnyGo, so maybe it is just a coincidence.

[bozotheclown]

If he thinks I'm the cop claiming a scan on him, and he knows he's scum, the best case scenario is that I die first, which is best accomplished by claiming that he's actually the cop.

Or, he could claim he was the doctor, forcing the doctor to CC.

which he didn't

What do you think this was, then:

This is Dr. Foosier Croats… I’m listening.

[damo666]

Or, he could claim he was the doctor, forcing the doctor to CC.

which he didn't

What do you think this was, then:

This is Dr. Foosier Croats… I’m listening.

A frustrated spoonerism/pun referencing an old US comedy series

[bozotheclown]

Well, review the math I posted above. If the cop actually had a guilty scan there would be no reason to withhold it. I wasn’t PR hunting, I was testing to see if ghug was fakeclaiming scum, because a real town cop with a guilty scan can greatly simplify things for town and there is no benefit to holding the scan to EON2.

Yes given the GF is dead a cop with a guilty scan should obviously claim. The fact neither ghug (nor brain) explicitly claimed cop with a specific guilty target indicated they were messing about (either as scum or mischievous town but let's just leave it as nai). Now it is possible ghug is cop with an inno scan so asking him to confirm he is not cop is not helpful to town but is helpful to scum. So obviously ghug won't answer regardless of alignment.

At this point there is nothing more to be made of it. I have resolved to listen to my town reads closely going forward to avoid tilt towards brain and ghug. My strongest towns are BunnyGo and Frogster. I think you are town, too.

Why aren't you listening to Frogsterking?

[bozotheclown]

Gotta ban someone... sigh.

I would also vote for ham, and maybe bunny.

Not bozo or brain.

the day is young....we have a whole pastiche of options in our buffet.

Do you know why you are now one of foodcoats strongest town reads?

[dargorygel]

Food isnt going anywhere this course

Thinking about will or ham.

##vote ham

My second scum read at present