Mafia 86: Accidents Happen... - Game Thread

[brainbomb]

Frog seems like mafia independent of day 1. His play was not the same as last game he seemed withdrawn and seemed to lack townreads.

If frog is mafia id expect his teammate to be someone who also bussed.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Frog seems like mafia independent of day 1. His play was not the same as last game he seemed withdrawn and seemed to lack townreads.

If frog is mafia id expect his teammate to be someone who also bussed.

can you do a reads list? or do you have no time?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

@Just who was the someone?

It was damo

why damo? Why not frog or me?

You too

[brainbomb]

##vote Ham

that post was bizarre

if sweet only has my vote by the end of the day, I will switch to Ham.

What happened:

##vote Ham

that post was bizarre

##VOTE Ham

Don't really mind his post though.

Ham became a 2 wagon when ghug and damo both went here.

if sweet only has my vote by the end of the day, I will switch to Ham.

Why Ham specifically?

im ok with Hamiltons wagon

I will not vote Bunny, food, or sweet today.

I'm not really seeing any reason to vote Hamilton either.

This Hamilton wagon out of nowhere feels really wrong.

Chaqa strongly opposes this switcheroo and as a result learning hamiltons tendencies would be worthwhile

[brainbomb]

Will in answer to your question id love to think I end up with the right answer but that isnt the game. The game is to present it to others and convince people
Im right. And then even bigger part is to get it right and stick to the right answer.

I play my best town game when I am under pressure. So thank you for scumreading me its making me Work harder.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Will in answer to your question id love to think I end up with the right answer but that isnt the game. The game is to present it to others and convince people
Im right. And then even bigger part is to get it right and stick to the right answer.

I play my best town game when I am under pressure. So thank you for scumreading me its making me Work harder.

Ask and ye shall recieve

[brainbomb]

If game is easy
Food-will

If game is weird
Vecna-bozo

If game is gonna be really hard
Chaqa-ghug

Top scumread: ?
undecided, pending

[brainbomb]

also just a question for all

Who here actually gets excited at seeing a mafia role pm?

[worcej]

GM Note:
dargorygel HAS REPLACED heartthrob24909

Full disclosure: darg cannot meaningfully play until mid-tomorrow according to him, but a sub was needed and he was our only volunteer.

[brainbomb]

GM Note:
dargorygel HAS REPLACED heartthrob24909

Full disclosure: darg cannot meaningfully play until mid-tomorrow according to him, but a sub was needed and he was our only volunteer.

Dagaggaagardgorgorygel

[ghug]

Can we assume that Bunny is townclear based on the logic that if it was between Scum!Bunny and Godfather!Sweet, Bunny would have been bussed hard?

I am comfortable with that if it's not a fallacy.

In which case, if you are indeed town like I assume you are, sorry for the D1 vote.

Not townclear but Bunny is pretty darn good looking from the way sweet treated him.

I've been chewing on this a little bit. Clearly they hate each other, but what do you do if you're scum with the person you dislike?

[ghug]

In the matter of Chaqa v sweetandcool the court presents Chaqa’s entire bibliography with respect to the godfather.

here's where I'm at

Town Gang
brainbomb
BunnyGo
Jamie

Scum Gang
Bozo
Damo
Will

Sneaky Null Gang
foodcoats
Frogsterking
ghug
Hamilton Brian
heartthrob24909
sweetandcool
Vecna

I think I've explained the non-null reads in my postings, but I can elaborate if needed.

I will not vote Bunny, food, or sweet today.

I'm not really seeing any reason to vote Hamilton either.

##Vote sweet

Chaqa town.

[ghug]

I've actually started off looking at bunny again (I am going to look at ghug, Will, brainbomb, and Food, hopefully I have the time).

I thought maybe my scumreading him and voting him based on his first post was harsh, but the more I look at him the more he looks bad.

Bunny's first post seemed insincere because he threw in an obligatory degradation of Will and sweetandcool, when we hadn't done anything yet to warrant it.

His first post of page 3 he decides to townread me, because I mentioned I'm grumpy about life. I still couldn't have possibly done something to make him frustrated with me, and he even references that he needs a better way to read me. Again, this is clearly Bunny saying things he has said in past games, but he has no reason to make those comments.

Third post of page 3 is interesting if Bunny is scum. Could he be teammates with brainbomb?

First post of page 4, maybe it's a casual post or maybe it's a way to spread some stink on me. Bunny seems to want to town me and scum me at the same time.

Last post of page 8 actually makes me mad now that I'm rereading it. Is scum Bunny trying to make us look like teammates?! I'm really not liking his interactions with me (I wasn't planning on cherrypicking his posts that refer to me, but those are the ones that keep pinging me the most).

2nd post of page 9, he agrees with brainbomb and continues to negatively comment on Food. There have been a few posts about Food that don't ping me, but it's interesting how he seems to be buddying brainbomb. Is brainbomb town or are they being obvious partners to the point that we can't think they are partners? Or is it a bus on Food? I haven't felt bad about Food but I do worry about potential pocketing. Food's been too easygoing with me, and it makes me wary.

Several posts later: Jeeze, Bunny become fixated on brainbomb. Not towning or scumming brainbomb really, just mentioning the hell out of him.

Okay, at this point I've concluded Bunny is probably scum. He is currently gunning for Food. Bus or MK?

I was planning on saving Food for last, but I think I'll look at him next. Then onto my accusers.

This has prob been resurfaced between its time of posting and now, but reading it with the hindsight of knowing sweet is scum and without knowing the circumstances that caused him to be voted out -- but knowing he wasnt in much danger at this moment -- does make Bunny look better to me I think? I feel like this is the kind of post you make planting the seed for a feud you expect to last several rounds.

Will be curious to read on and see if sweet also started a Food fight.

Bunny/Will/Brain/Food probably has a scum. It's very likely Bunny or Food, but I'll probably scumread brain for a while tomorrow to be safe.

[ghug]

You watched a wagon on your teammate evaporate
You then chose to vote with that teammate on bunny
He gets worried that this behavior outs you both
Has no choice but to bus and scumread you for it
And you read this as a verbal cue to just go back to voting him

I'm not going to lie, I agree with this train of thought. But my cue was someone else voting sweet.

I like the thought process tho.

Will is fun

[ghug]

You watched a wagon on your teammate evaporate
You then chose to vote with that teammate on bunny
He gets worried that this behavior outs you both
Has no choice but to bus and scumread you for it
And you read this as a verbal cue to just go back to voting him

WAIT! WAIT....

wait...

just...just wait...

THIS HAPPENED IN M84 D1 with Sweet and Just!

Sweet-MadMon-Just were in a S-T-S race. 5-4-4 with Sweet voting Just and Just on vanity wagon.

Sweet then votes Just AGAIN, and Just jumps on his TEAMMATES wagon instead of pushing MadMonarch over the line!

did this happen again...?

I don't think Will would be clueless about it if it happened again. Nobody should be dismissing will as dumb at this point.

[ghug]

Ghug is always the whip for scum but hes also just really nervy as town. So his moves can always be seen through the lens of is this where ghug is gonna hurt town the most or is it actually just him following through.

Bussing his own godfather early, listing his godfather as scum alot.

Yea he could do that. Is ghug also scummy? No not really

He did have a particularly thin skin with me. I dunno if that's AI or not.

When I was pointing out his logical writing lacked parallelism and so was hard to read, he thought I was just being mean for nothing and that this was somehow a negging strategy.

As scum, he'd be likely to try and just ignore it I think?

As town...he'd probably not care at all?

But I think I really put him off when I told him what he was going to do. He tried to laugh it off by doing it blatantly and humourously in response (which I really really enjoyed), but I think it also made him self conscious.

I always care. My logic was fine and wasn't even in the post you were insulting. I made a conscious effort to show restraint rather than just get pissed off, which I think was relatively thick-skinned. As scum I'd probably either go off on you or try to ignore it and press on, which are both things I've done before, but I do think what I did here is at the edge of the range of the latter.

I actually thought your analysis of what I was going to do was pretty fair, it's just something I wouldn't try to do with you, on top of being irrelevant this game because I'm town.

[ghug]

It certainly seems like damo was a whip at end of day and took on that identity pretty late. But would scum damo use his usual shtick that there was no bussers and really rest on the hope that mafia goon will is gonna be mafia teams deep threat?

That seems really bad play for someone as good as being scum as damo so if it is damo his goal would be the one to go deep at any cost

If damo were scum, why sheep me twice when he'd already given the idea that I was scum? Why not just push me?

Do you think scum!damo didn't believe the non-voters would go for me?

You'd said you would.

Vecna and Chaqa had indicated they wouldn't.

ghug had given the IMPRESSION he wouldn't, but then he did!

So maybe damo had a good sense of the room?

I'd given the impression I wouldn't?

You were my preferred target when I voted for food, but I thought giving you a commanding lead would be less interesting.

[ghug]

One thing to understand about brain's posts:

He'll state a theory not as something he *believes* but as something he's trying out and feeling how it feels when he tries it.

But he presents it as if he believes it.

This is bad for people following along who don't know this.

But is also hard for scum because they never know when he's going down the wrong path and they can rest, or when he's about to leave it. Or when he's onto them, or when he's just trying it out but doesn't believe it.

I don't think Bunny as scum would tell me this info... It's pretty easy for scum to trick me into getting into an argument...

Bunny as scum would ABSOLUTELY tell you this.

Scum!Bunny regularly goes for the "helpful" town who tries to calm down fights and ease people along so that he appears useful and integral while not helping at all.

Ugh I hate to say it but I'm similar and I totally buy this explanation.

[ghug]

I met Aaro and pyxxy and TFB today and then I was driven to drink heavily afterwards, so that's where I am.

[Vecna]

A wise, albeit flawed man once said,

"I have taken note that you instantly assume that my attack comes from a silly, outdated frame of reference, as opposed to a scummy one.

You attribute stupidity instead of malice.

While that is the wise course of action, im not sure it is the course of action of someone looking for scum.

It instantly feels like you know you need to enter defensive mode, because you cannot argue my virtue."

this is basically a compliment coming from someone as hard to please as ghug, even with the insult mixed in there.

fuck, im being pocketed.

I hadnt read this interaction yesterday, but it does seem potentially true