Mafia 86: Accidents Happen... - Game Thread

[foodcoats]

I’m excited to see this vote. No clue who’s gonna die

Guess I need to reevaluate Will because I don’t know why town says this.

[damo666]

Not finished with Will yet, but just wanted to clarify what I did like about his play, when I made that comment around page 20:

I really liked what seemed to be original Will critical thinking that I rarely see. His comments about Frog seemed to have some thought behind them (first post of page 18).

I also thought his comment on Page 19 was interesting because it seemed advanced. If we are dealing with scum Will, then I could now see it as a defense of a teammate (chaqa).

I am 99% certain you are mafia.

Only 99?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I feel like I’m playing the same game. I have used critical thinking in the second have. I believe now that when you saw my good gameplay lead to a conclusion of you being mafia, you needed a way to discredit me.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Not finished with Will yet, but just wanted to clarify what I did like about his play, when I made that comment around page 20:

I really liked what seemed to be original Will critical thinking that I rarely see. His comments about Frog seemed to have some thought behind them (first post of page 18).

I also thought his comment on Page 19 was interesting because it seemed advanced. If we are dealing with scum Will, then I could now see it as a defense of a teammate (chaqa).

I am 99% certain you are mafia.

Only 99?

Could be an idiot.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I’m excited to see this vote. No clue who’s gonna die

Guess I need to reevaluate Will because I don’t know why town says this.

This game is fun! Don’t take it so seriously

[ghug]

Software engineers

Bo was so bad at it, I'd expect him to have flamed out by now.

I've never found skill and employment to correlate

Bo is also unlikeable and bad at enstilling others' faith in him.

[damo666]

I am 99% certain you are mafia.

Only 99?

Could be an idiot.

You or sweet?

[ghug]

So do you think Will and damo are my scum partners for also posting reads list? If not, why?

Maybe, but neither of them was long-winded and they both tend to be weird, so I'm not as bothered.

Okay, so again, your argument is… you don’t like the way I play. Is that right?

I want your stance to be clear if I am miskilled. You are voting for me because you don’t like the way I play and you don’t think it works and that therefore only scum would do something in a style you don’t like or that from your perspective does not work. That is why you think I’m scum?

That's part of it, but I find that historically people who do this one weird trick ghugs hate tend to be more likely to be scum. Your reaction here is also giving me TrPrado angry he's caught vibes.

Can you point to a similar D1 list in a game where you were town?

[ghug]

This seems coordinated to leave and drop here.
see scum partner bunny attempting to fake how many scum there are
Claim it might be a townslip

Walk away see who buys that

This I agree with. No WAY this big of a slip could be here.

I don't think Bunny is the kind of player to fake a town slip. It's probably genuine.

Are you joking?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Only 99?

Could be an idiot.

You or sweet?

Me

[brainbomb]

16 hours ago it was preposterous that I questioned chaqa over whether theres too many pages or not

i presented an argument that in his scum games chaqa tends to lie about if the page count is annoying to him or not. i showed evidence from a game he won scum mvp where his way of pretending to be town was to complain there was too many

I showed evidence suggesting chaqa lies about such things. i mentioned last game that 25 pages to reread was too many and he was perturbed by it. i contrasted that to this game.

It was trashed by the players. It was something that incited chaqa to anger.

It led to multiple players making ridiculous associative reads about me and chaqa.
I feel like a ton of players thought the idea was stupid.

And yet now its being looked at as the reason to townread chaqa and the reason to scumread bb. Its being viewed in such an obscure way that I wonder now if it caught chaqa for the wrong reasons and he just refused to go down from such a moronic case because he simply didnt think he has a meta and was angry it even happened.

Then theres what happens with chaqa after. He doesnt sub out he plays. jamie softens the damage of it and suggests chaqa was more than slightly annoyed.

Food assumes it was scum theatre
Bunny also says its scum theatre
Will said the case was a weird line of dialogue
Ghug said its very brainbomb

Where I sit at with chaqa now is that he was annoyed but I dont know if the reason was
-caught for wrong reasons
-caught by brain and just knows AtE can sway me
-not caught because town, actually just annoyed because of history with me

He remains a scumread and I havent shaken the idea.

Of bunny-will-food I think the least likely person to be a scum partner with chaqa would be Will because the line about my questioning being strange seemed natural insofar as

“Brain really thinks chaqa has a scumtell about page counts? Lets just make it seem like brain is weird for doing so and see who agrees”

Or

“Brain is asking some weird ass questions is this normal for town bb?”

[sweetandcool]

Then brainbomb comes out and scums Will, paired with either sweetandcool or Chaqa. brainbomb's attack really makes no sense to me, but it is very brainbomb-esque. Not going to get distracted with that yet.

But Will is pretty meh until he posts a readslist where he finally mentions me and I'm not sure whether that list scums me, towns me, or neither.

But then his next post is confidently declaring me scum, and it absolutely comes out of nowhere (last post of Page 24). It's important to note that this comes after brainbomb mentions me as a scumcandidate and ghug confidently declares me scum based on vibes.

This and his latest behaviour leads me to believe either:

1. Will is scum.
2. Will was sheeping hard and just won't admit it. But usually him sheeping is very clear.
3. This was a reaction test which I apparently failed because he is scumming me harder. Also probably partially (2) as well.

[brainbomb]

Sweet where are you getting the impression that im scumreading you and placing you in some team with will?

i think the scumteams are like
Food-will-bunny
Will-frog-bunny
Chaqa-frog-food
Food-frog-bunny
Chaqa-bunny-frog
Will-chaqa-bunny

Then theres a tier where jamie and you (sweet) also maybe have loose ties to this whole thing but its much less than bunny-frog-will-food-chaqa

[foodcoats]

Maybe, but neither of them was long-winded and they both tend to be weird, so I'm not as bothered.

Okay, so again, your argument is… you don’t like the way I play. Is that right?

I want your stance to be clear if I am miskilled. You are voting for me because you don’t like the way I play and you don’t think it works and that therefore only scum would do something in a style you don’t like or that from your perspective does not work. That is why you think I’m scum?

That's part of it, but I find that historically people who do this one weird trick ghugs hate tend to be more likely to be scum. Your reaction here is also giving me TrPrado angry he's caught vibes.

Can you point to a similar D1 list in a game where you were town?

No, I’m not doing your homework for you. My way is not perfect but I wouldn’t claim it, and I know with certainty your way isn’t either. It’s extreme hubris on your part and I am glad you are admitting you are so bad at the game.

[brainbomb]

bunny just feels like the most likely candidate to be godfather also. As his gimmick is practically begging to be scanned.

Indulging such a temptation. Sheesh

[ghug]

Okay, so again, your argument is… you don’t like the way I play. Is that right?

I want your stance to be clear if I am miskilled. You are voting for me because you don’t like the way I play and you don’t think it works and that therefore only scum would do something in a style you don’t like or that from your perspective does not work. That is why you think I’m scum?

That's part of it, but I find that historically people who do this one weird trick ghugs hate tend to be more likely to be scum. Your reaction here is also giving me TrPrado angry he's caught vibes.

Can you point to a similar D1 list in a game where you were town?

No, I’m not doing your homework for you. My way is not perfect but I wouldn’t claim it, and I know with certainty your way isn’t either. It’s extreme hubris on your part and I am glad you are admitting you are so bad at the game.

I'd be curious to hear some outside perspective on this interaction.

[BunnyGo]

##Vote damo

just bein silly

To the GT:


This seems legit. ##vote damo

You need to make up your mind on if you want to bus food or not. Its been going all day and youve not done a very good job of hiding it. Usually scum play requires a bit more discretion or it just makes it too obvious.

To the GT:

Part of why I started being silent day 1 is I’m constantly scum read for being scummy when I am town.

I’m never ever voted day 1 as scum if I’m active.

So much so that I think it’s a scumtell.

[ghug]

A wise, albeit flawed man once said,

"I have taken note that you instantly assume that my attack comes from a silly, outdated frame of reference, as opposed to a scummy one.

You attribute stupidity instead of malice.

While that is the wise course of action, im not sure it is the course of action of someone looking for scum.

It instantly feels like you know you need to enter defensive mode, because you cannot argue my virtue."

[sweetandcool]

Sweet where are you getting the impression that im scumreading you and placing you in some team with will?

i think the scumteams are like
Food-will-bunny
Will-frog-bunny
Chaqa-frog-food
Food-frog-bunny
Chaqa-bunny-frog
Will-chaqa-bunny

Then theres a tier where jamie and you (sweet) also maybe have loose ties to this whole thing but its much less than bunny-frog-will-food-chaqa

I haven't gotten to you. I'm not saying that you currently think that way. But you certainly mentioned it as a possibility when you first got on Will/Chaqa's case.

[brainbomb]

That's part of it, but I find that historically people who do this one weird trick ghugs hate tend to be more likely to be scum. Your reaction here is also giving me TrPrado angry he's caught vibes.

Can you point to a similar D1 list in a game where you were town?

No, I’m not doing your homework for you. My way is not perfect but I wouldn’t claim it, and I know with certainty your way isn’t either. It’s extreme hubris on your part and I am glad you are admitting you are so bad at the game.

I'd be curious to hear some outside perspective on this interaction.

This was from m55 food was town:

Here are my reads as of now. Sorry they are not more in depth as they usually would be, a bit short on time and I'm stuck doing this on my phone so quotes are a pain.

town
Vecna - lord of hunter-killers.
Xorxes - wide range of investigation... I felt xorx was tunnelling and was scumreading him as a result but on reading iso there's a lot of thought there, some of it could be faked but there are too many strong opinions for all of it to be
Jamie - investigation of brain, bis. I thought Jamie was locked in angry inquisition mode which seemed scummy but he comes up for air and does synthesis of trends.
Bozo - has made a lot of town and scum reads and basically classified everyone. I think bozo is strong hunting as usual.
Rdr - questions and reasons through things top to bottom, balanced, seems very town process
Flash - lurking hard but I think flash made some suggestions D2 that look pretty towny. I am willing to say flash is town.
Brainbomb - I know brain seems shifty right now but gut check says that's brainbomb. You should be worried when brainbomb acts normal.
Chaqa and emc - i've thrown in my lot here but could be convinced otherwise. I fear chaqa being a 3p survivor neighborizer, it would be a way to get cred. But based on actions seems unlikely. And emc... it's just hard to believe emc would claim such an unlikely story as scum or as continued 3p. Basically im paranoid but pretty dang confident.

Null
DemonRHK - seemed lurky and suspicious early but even at low posting has a very good D2. Thoughtful and pretty well rounded. Might be a few blindspots though so null. I just feel like maybe i'm being tricked.
Darg - seemed natural and fine but darg has a freewheeling style that i find challenging to read. I know darg is good at spitballing ideas even as scum.
Neph - possibly some weird 3p. Also possibly scum playing 2scummy2scum. Also possibly a strong PR trying to avoid NKs.

Scum
Fox - as previously
Damo - poking, prodding, rethinking, up and down... this could be faked though as I don't get any juice. More below.
Summit - D1 is quite good but since then it's pretty blendy except for some analysis of the wagons but this is a good focus for scum, focus on a point in time or one person. Doesn't seem to be taking positions or evolving
Sarah - I have no other explanation for why someone would join a game and not play it

further on my scum reads
In particular I started asking what it is about fox, damo and summit that bothers me. They all have good, townie posts. But in their isos their townie stuff sticks out. It doesn't fit well in the context of the rest of their posts.

Damo is a great example, I found his reasoning on Donny good and I thought it looked like a natural town progression. But nothing else looks like that, everything else is a lot of duds. Damo is doing nothing, kind of shuffling words around.

Similarly summit has these nice wall posts... but they are surrounded by a lot of very deadend pointless questions. I know that feeling, as scum you need to find that burst of energy to produce some good lie, whereas most of the time you're like just trying to be active and not obviously scummy.

And fox as I said before, it's a lot of commenting and rehashing. I think he was able to look good wanking on about emc because that was basically D2, but if you look close he's not contributing, he's just respewing.

And as town in M69

Assuming worcejadil is scum, I think in retrospect I’m wrong about Maniac. It is definitely possible two scum bussed their partner and got him tied with a town wagon, but I figured it’s not terribly likely.

I assume on the Bona wagon therefore that

Vecna is clear - RBd scum
BobMcBob is up for debate
Damo is strongly town for the way he acted during the Kakarroto flash wagon
lfischlbomb is up for debate
snowy801 is clear for being saved
Ghug is dedtown
celaph is dedtown
Maniac is probtown if kak and worceadil both scum

I feel decently about the vanity voters… bozo, Macca, rdr. I was pretty sold Jamie is town too.

That would imply some combo of HB/lfischbomb/Bob is the remaining two scum… or at least the best characters to investigate from my POE.

i looked in his scum games and didnt find any games where he made reads as mafia. Will keep looking