Mafia 86: Accidents Happen... - Game Thread

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Froggy-heart-lurker-and ghug? That’s a reasonable team guess? Will have to go read with that in mind later.

This is wrong, there are only 3. Is this an intentional “townslip”? Or is this just a mistake?

This seems coordinated to leave and drop here.
see scum partner bunny attempting to fake how many scum there are
Claim it might be a townslip

Walk away see who buys that

This I agree with. No WAY this big of a slip could be here.

[ghug]

What do you think of me using my reads, both of scum and town, to guide my vote?

I'd hope anyone would do that.

Okay, so what is the part of my play that seems more “optics” rather than solving? You don’t even have to use my whole iso. Show us in my reads list where the part is that makes you feel my review and consideration of everyone’s iso is more likely for show than as an effort to scumhunt.

I just fundamentally don't think that's a good way to scumhunt and believe that a long-winded reads list D1 is more likely to come from scum. Most of your reads are light on information, and charitably maybe it was helpful for you to organize your thoughts that way, but less charitably it looks like a way to make you seem busy. Your whole thought process ultimately was in your Bunny vote post.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Hard scumread on sweet, but no one else seems to think so.

##VOTE BUNNY

Not necessarily one big reason, more like a compounding of little reasons.

[damo666]

##vote Bunny

the only person who has voted to have not changed their vote

To the GT:

This…is silly. But somehow he doesn’t sound silly? Hungover damo is weird.

It's also inaccurate. I haven't changed my vote at all.

Oh yeah. Maybe I should vote you.

##vote sweet

[foodcoats]

I am going to be unavailable at EOD and I am not going to be available much before then.

I do not have any strong scum suspects yet, so if it was up to me I would no-kill today because it probably would not cost us a mis-kill (although it could if there is a doctor save).

However, I realize it is not up to me, and of the different idea being presented, the cases against Chaqa and foodcoats seem to me to have the most potential to be accurate.

##VOTE foodcoats

Clarify what the case on me is and why you agree with it.

[brainbomb]

Its interesting that frog was heavily sussed; was not doing great in interrogation. Was being pushed by alot of people.

Did nothing and had vanished. and as I recall he said his scum meta is to disappear under pressure.

But all the pressure has just left the room once hes gone. so if true; hes done exactly what he is great at.

##Vote frog

[damo666]

Hard scumread on sweet, but no one else seems to think so.

##VOTE BUNNY

Not necessarily one big reason, more like a compounding of little reasons.

I'm voting sweet

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Its interesting that frog was heavily sussed; was not doing great in interrogation. Was being pushed by alot of people.

Did nothing and had vanished. and as I recall he said his scum meta is to disappear under pressure.

But all the pressure has just left the room once hes gone. so if true; hes done exactly what he is great at.

##Vote frog

Man, what the heck is this wishy-washy shit.

Frog, then me, then sweet, then ghug, then food, then back to me, then Frog?

[foodcoats]

I'd hope anyone would do that.

Okay, so what is the part of my play that seems more “optics” rather than solving? You don’t even have to use my whole iso. Show us in my reads list where the part is that makes you feel my review and consideration of everyone’s iso is more likely for show than as an effort to scumhunt.

I just fundamentally don't think that's a good way to scumhunt and believe that a long-winded reads list D1 is more likely to come from scum. Most of your reads are light on information, and charitably maybe it was helpful for you to organize your thoughts that way, but less charitably it looks like a way to make you seem busy. Your whole thought process ultimately was in your Bunny vote post.

So do you think Will and damo are my scum partners for also posting reads list? If not, why?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Hard scumread on sweet, but no one else seems to think so.

##VOTE BUNNY

Not necessarily one big reason, more like a compounding of little reasons.

I'm voting sweet

I see. ##VOTE SWEET

Big time mafia player

[sweetandcool]

Hard scumread on sweet, but no one else seems to think so.

##VOTE BUNNY

Not necessarily one big reason, more like a compounding of little reasons.

WTF, you are hard scumming me, and voting with me? So you think it is a bus?

Okay, clearly you are either scum or sheeping so hard the wool is totally over your eyes. I don't care if you haven't made sheeping indicative comments, you clearly are just refraining from making them.

[ghug]

I've actually started off looking at bunny again (I am going to look at ghug, Will, brainbomb, and Food, hopefully I have the time).

I thought maybe my scumreading him and voting him based on his first post was harsh, but the more I look at him the more he looks bad.

Bunny's first post seemed insincere because he threw in an obligatory degradation of Will and sweetandcool, when we hadn't done anything yet to warrant it.

His first post of page 3 he decides to townread me, because I mentioned I'm grumpy about life. I still couldn't have possibly done something to make him frustrated with me, and he even references that he needs a better way to read me. Again, this is clearly Bunny saying things he has said in past games, but he has no reason to make those comments.

Third post of page 3 is interesting if Bunny is scum. Could he be teammates with brainbomb?

First post of page 4, maybe it's a casual post or maybe it's a way to spread some stink on me. Bunny seems to want to town me and scum me at the same time.

Last post of page 8 actually makes me mad now that I'm rereading it. Is scum Bunny trying to make us look like teammates?! I'm really not liking his interactions with me (I wasn't planning on cherrypicking his posts that refer to me, but those are the ones that keep pinging me the most).

2nd post of page 9, he agrees with brainbomb and continues to negatively comment on Food. There have been a few posts about Food that don't ping me, but it's interesting how he seems to be buddying brainbomb. Is brainbomb town or are they being obvious partners to the point that we can't think they are partners? Or is it a bus on Food? I haven't felt bad about Food but I do worry about potential pocketing. Food's been too easygoing with me, and it makes me wary.

Several posts later: Jeeze, Bunny become fixated on brainbomb. Not towning or scumming brainbomb really, just mentioning the hell out of him.

Okay, at this point I've concluded Bunny is probably scum. He is currently gunning for Food. Bus or MK?

I was planning on saving Food for last, but I think I'll look at him next. Then onto my accusers.

I don't really like this method of reading but there's no sliminess stirring my scummy sweet senses.

[damo666]

Hard scumread on sweet, but no one else seems to think so.

##VOTE BUNNY

Not necessarily one big reason, more like a compounding of little reasons.

This smacks of foodsaving

[brainbomb]

Its interesting that frog was heavily sussed; was not doing great in interrogation. Was being pushed by alot of people.

Did nothing and had vanished. and as I recall he said his scum meta is to disappear under pressure.

But all the pressure has just left the room once hes gone. so if true; hes done exactly what he is great at.

##Vote frog

Man, what the heck is this wishy-washy shit.

Frog, then me, then sweet, then ghug, then food, then back to me, then Frog?

This needs to die at some point. Please dont let this live to endgame.

[damo666]

Okay, so what is the part of my play that seems more “optics” rather than solving? You don’t even have to use my whole iso. Show us in my reads list where the part is that makes you feel my review and consideration of everyone’s iso is more likely for show than as an effort to scumhunt.

I just fundamentally don't think that's a good way to scumhunt and believe that a long-winded reads list D1 is more likely to come from scum. Most of your reads are light on information, and charitably maybe it was helpful for you to organize your thoughts that way, but less charitably it looks like a way to make you seem busy. Your whole thought process ultimately was in your Bunny vote post.

So do you think Will and damo are my scum partners for also posting reads list? If not, why?

mine was an impressions list

[ghug]

Okay, so what is the part of my play that seems more “optics” rather than solving? You don’t even have to use my whole iso. Show us in my reads list where the part is that makes you feel my review and consideration of everyone’s iso is more likely for show than as an effort to scumhunt.

I just fundamentally don't think that's a good way to scumhunt and believe that a long-winded reads list D1 is more likely to come from scum. Most of your reads are light on information, and charitably maybe it was helpful for you to organize your thoughts that way, but less charitably it looks like a way to make you seem busy. Your whole thought process ultimately was in your Bunny vote post.

So do you think Will and damo are my scum partners for also posting reads list? If not, why?

Maybe, but neither of them was long-winded and they both tend to be weird, so I'm not as bothered.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Hard scumread on sweet, but no one else seems to think so.

##VOTE BUNNY

Not necessarily one big reason, more like a compounding of little reasons.

WTF, you are hard scumming me, and voting with me? So you think it is a bus?

Okay, clearly you are either scum or sheeping so hard the wool is totally over your eyes. I don't care if you haven't made sheeping indicative comments, you clearly are just refraining from making them.

Did bro forget sentence 1? I flipped because I thought no one would vote with me. Damo did, and I’m back.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Hard scumread on sweet, but no one else seems to think so.

##VOTE BUNNY

Not necessarily one big reason, more like a compounding of little reasons.

This smacks of foodsaving

I want sweet dead.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Hard scumread on sweet, but no one else seems to think so.

##VOTE BUNNY

Not necessarily one big reason, more like a compounding of little reasons.

WTF, you are hard scumming me, and voting with me? So you think it is a bus?

Okay, clearly you are either scum or sheeping so hard the wool is totally over your eyes. I don't care if you haven't made sheeping indicative comments, you clearly are just refraining from making them.

Could be a bus, you’ve done it before.

[Chaqa]

"The main reason I think they are more likely both scum is that Chaqa’s defense and following play after that fight do not at all appear to be townie"

Could you explain why you feel that?

And what is an ATE?

I will come back to the first part as I’m going to do some more in-depth re-reading this morning, but an ATE is an Appeal To Emotion. Sorry - I thought that was pretty common “mafia parlance.”

it is very common and im surprised chaqa asked for clarification

I have never seen it as an acronym before. My first thought when I read ATE was this video:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Otm0MYLvKAA