Mafia 86: Accidents Happen... - Game Thread

[Vecna]

I think you're doing the thing where you take two things someone has said and assume they're connected.

ghug and brain not scum together
and then later
ghug scum
does not imply
brain scum if ghug town

I just wanna know why he thinks youre scum.

To the GT:

I didn't tell you guys? Oh, I guess it just came out when I realized it.

Ghug was focusing and responding to certain posts and not others. The posts he was responding to were less game oriented, and more easy picking/attention getting oriented.

This is more likely scum!ghug.

The really funny thing about this: scum!ghug is gonna be pissed as fuck because he'll disagree both with my assessment of how he was posting AND what it means even if he was doing it. Then he'll HATE getting called out for something he doesn't think is a good reason to get caught.

He'll then go overly hard to buddy up, and try and get me to stop what he thinks is a stupid reason to read him. He'll think he can charm me into doubting my read.

Annnnd....action!

beautiful? yes

[Vecna]

I just wanna know why he thinks youre scum.

To the GT:

I didn't tell you guys? Oh, I guess it just came out when I realized it.

Ghug was focusing and responding to certain posts and not others. The posts he was responding to were less game oriented, and more easy picking/attention getting oriented.

This is more likely scum!ghug.

The really funny thing about this: scum!ghug is gonna be pissed as fuck because he'll disagree both with my assessment of how he was posting AND what it means even if he was doing it. Then he'll HATE getting called out for something he doesn't think is a good reason to get caught.

He'll then go overly hard to buddy up, and try and get me to stop what he thinks is a stupid reason to read him. He'll think he can charm me into doubting my read.

Annnnd....action!

The bold is an accurate assessment of my play.

The italicized I only do with people I respect.

omg, did ghug just admit he respects me?

/faint

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

@food

I appreciate you giving me the benefit of the doubt, but you shouldn’t

But yes, after reading ABOVE post, I don’t remember brain ever giving an explanation on why my confidence was so unwarranted other than speculation, and he also never gave an explanation on why I was so “different” from last game?

My main counter argument to “town will” right now is basically WIFOM (“He’s acting town because he’s scum”) and I don’t think that’s good reasoning without some other supporting evidence.

And yes, it is most curious brain is voting for his lesser scumreads (lesser by volume, at least; maybe he has some grand compelling argument he can share that he has until now hidden). I can’t help but wonder if there is some bussing going on (of scum!Chaqa/bunny by scum!brain - or rather it might be called the setup for bussing votes) but that is extremely speculative on D1.

Helping town is scummy. We should all be as unhelpful as possible.

[Vecna]

After last game I’m almost not sure what I’m supposed to be doing

given time honored tradition, I am actually very certain what im supposed to be doing this game.

D1 bukkake-parade on chaqas' corpse. LETS GO

##vote chaqa.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Sorry I've been gone for a while, had an uncharacteristically busy day yesterday. Managed to mostly keep on top of reading but wasn't able to react at all. I am going to spend my morning tea time looking over the game and coming up with some salient posts.

A quick unrefined reaction:

The scumreading of me came out of nowhere and is stupid and bizarre.

ghug has decided he knows my scumvibe after essentially one D1 success. Will is deluding himself yet again that his usual sheeping worked out, rather than any real success at reading me. brainbomb is scum reading me because I wasn't previously scumread this game, which he was right was uncharacteristic.

I wasn't using my normal technique this game, but it looks like there is a decent chance one of the three is Mafia and has decided I'm a soft target for D1 and targeted me randomly.

Perfectly on cue too! But yes, I love to sheep. 13 heads are better than 1!

[Vecna]

Hey chaqa. Theres alot of pages and posts already.

Also bunny might be town because usually when he confuses me thats been his obscura town games

12 pages isn't so bad. I'll be reading a bit before bed

i swear, you are on fire this game

[Vecna]

Consider it me ignoring the questions because I think you’ll read into any answer I give and it’s more fun if you read into a non-answer

This feels stilted, like Chaqa knows his meta has become that he's normal as scum and weird as town, so he's trying to pretend he's weird.

ghug pretending chaqa is ever normal.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

ghug has decided he knows my scumvibe after essentially one D1 success. Will is deluding himself yet again that his usual sheeping worked out, rather than any real success at reading me. brainbomb is scum reading me because I wasn't previously scumread this game, which he was right was uncharacteristic.

Perfectly on cue too! But yes, I love to sheep. 13 heads are better than 1!

I was not sheeping? I thought I was the first vote on you? If not, the second. That doesn’t fit my definition of sheeping.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

After last game I’m almost not sure what I’m supposed to be doing

given time honored tradition, I am actually very certain what im supposed to be doing this game.

D1 bukkake-parade on chaqas' corpse. LETS GO

##vote chaqa.

…what

[Vecna]

Leveraging three ideas

Does scum chaqa fake this outrage to flip my read and why

Does town chaqa really feel like my minimalist scumread was gonna be some long drawn out toxic event like it used to be?

Does scum chaqa just not want to be scum this game and crumbled under the barest most simplistic of pressure

yes

yes

he dont care

hes right in that he's hard to meta because he just emotional like that.

still. choo-choo, fun time.

[sweetandcool]

ghug has decided he knows my scumvibe after essentially one D1 success. Will is deluding himself yet again that his usual sheeping worked out, rather than any real success at reading me. brainbomb is scum reading me because I wasn't previously scumread this game, which he was right was uncharacteristic.

Perfectly on cue too! But yes, I love to sheep. 13 heads are better than 1!

I was not sheeping? I thought I was the first vote on you? If not, the second. That doesn’t fit my definition of sheeping.

I actually wrote something about that and deleted it because it was written poorly.

No, uncharacteristically you don't seem to be your usual sheeping self this game (though I can't help thinking brainbomb and ghug scum reading me influenced your decision to pounce). I meant that your past successful sheeping has made you decide that you're an expert at reading me.

I'm getting serious vibes of bunny's scumtell bullshit from last game

[Vecna]

This is also called hedging.
Holding both sides of a stance as being valid in order to mask knowing too much information.

it is also possible to just not know. Maybe youre not scum with bunny. Maybe bunny is just bunny. In fact yea he probably is. Town. Yes maybe sweet is also town.



See.
What I did.

Says the guy not voting Bunny to the guy actually voting Bunny.

But okay, I guess you are right that people would view that as hedging. That really explains previous instances where I was scumread for behaving this way. I've never understood it until now because it never crossed my mind that I could be considered as hedging.

This feels like a very townie post from sweet. Both perceptive and critical of brain’s position, and willing to accept criticism and not overly fight back against the scumreading. Nuanced and broad in the way that is more natural to town. I think that makes it worth townleaning sweet.

foodcoats can be in the camp of this dude might very well be town

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Perfectly on cue too! But yes, I love to sheep. 13 heads are better than 1!

I was not sheeping? I thought I was the first vote on you? If not, the second. That doesn’t fit my definition of sheeping.

I actually wrote something about that and deleted it because it was written poorly.

No, uncharacteristically you don't seem to be your usual sheeping self this game (though I can't help thinking brainbomb and ghug scum reading me influenced your decision to pounce). I meant that your past successful sheeping has made you decide that you're an expert at reading me.

I'm getting serious vibes of bunny's scumtell bullshit from last game

Well I am certain I am not the only one who has been influenced by another’s argument. I make my own, I listen to others, I make an informed decision.

I never claimed to be an expert. If you aren’t mafia, then your tell doesn’t apply.

[Vecna]

I cannot comprehend why we are even talking about this.

This whole stupid fucking tangent is because brain somehow thinks TWELVE IS EQUAL TO OR SIMILAR TO TWENTY FIVE

this is literally what bunny predicted ghug would do

I mean, ive said it before, bosox, chaqa and ghug are basically the same person.

[Vecna]

He'll be back, and in greater numbers.

Can I get an objective yes/no if I am being too confident sounding in this game?

Aaaaaaaand hes gone.

stop asking questions and poofing people, you monster

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Can I get an objective yes/no if I am being too confident sounding in this game?

Aaaaaaaand hes gone.

stop asking questions and poofing people, you monster

Go to sleeeeeeeep

[damo666]

up to p13 - no significant observations

am very hungover after 2 days on the lash

[Vecna]

i feel like chaqa is either very frustrated with how I pushed him last night
Or chaqa is doing some very skillfull acting out of necessity.

I dont think a person says they plan to sub out unless they are very very frustrated.

Do you agree Jamie?

for someone that relies so much on meta, you sure have a bad memory because i can at least recall 3 times wheres he's threatened to sub out.

I dont think he ever actually did.

And he wasnt even scum in all of em.

[Chaqa]

I cannot comprehend why we are even talking about this.

This whole stupid fucking tangent is because brain somehow thinks TWELVE IS EQUAL TO OR SIMILAR TO TWENTY FIVE

this is literally what bunny predicted ghug would do

I mean, ive said it before, bosox, chaqa and ghug are basically the same person.

Software engineers

[Vecna]

Alright brain there’s no way they’ll ever think we’re scum together now

I was townreading your outburst and now I'm not.

No, I acted *dismissively* towards brainbomb because I knew he was going to death tunnel me and it won’t even be fun because I’m just a VT and I can’t fuck with him

Yeah, I get that you were doing that. I thought you seemed stilted while doing it.

The above doesn't inspire a lot of confidence that ghug and chaqa are unaligned especially given the below:

Okay but to be fair, Frog did similar posts last game, did he not?

He does seem slightly different this game, not necessarily in a bad way. I have him as null.

##VOTE sweetandcool

My gut hasn't failed me yet.

I think if scum!ghug votes chaqa for the tantrum there is fear that town will pile on and ghug has to make up a reason to unvote, so they go fish for limbait instead once one appears?

I think this frogguy already understands things