Mafia 86: Accidents Happen... - Game Thread

[brainbomb]

Oh it's nice to see we're back on this quinoa bullshit brain

I dont understand what you mean about it being bullshit. Just because you did those things -which you did- means that the lens I am seeing them through is accurate.

Im not sold on my own conclusions but they sure paint a picture of scum grump chaqa finding a reason to fake being mad. A strategic choice.

ive given you nothing but respect over the last year and this is not even remotely personal nor any self fulfilling prophecy to catch you.

[Chaqa]

I cannot comprehend why we are even talking about this.

This whole stupid fucking tangent is because brain somehow thinks TWELVE IS EQUAL TO OR SIMILAR TO TWENTY FIVE

[Chaqa]

Oh it's nice to see we're back on this quinoa bullshit brain

I dont understand what you mean about it being bullshit. Just because you did those things -which you did- means that the lens I am seeing them through is accurate.

Im not sold on my own conclusions but they sure paint a picture of scum grump chaqa finding a reason to fake being mad. A strategic choice.

ive given you nothing but respect over the last year and this is not even remotely personal nor any self fulfilling prophecy to catch you.

The quinoa bullshit line is a thing Eden and I used to say that I realize probably is a bit too obscure to have made sense.

But I really just don't even grasp what you think you're seeing here.

And M62 was literally three years ago. I'm a whole ass relationship, house, child, and three dogs removed from that time.

[brainbomb]

I cannot comprehend why we are even talking about this.

This whole stupid fucking tangent is because brain somehow thinks TWELVE IS EQUAL TO OR SIMILAR TO TWENTY FIVE

Its a culmination of the larger idea that you fake things as mafia. Specifically that as scum you might be less annoyed by there being 12 pages because maybe you are aware those 12 pages were crap and town was going awry.

This is not farfetched to wonder about

[Chaqa]

I fake things as town too brain

[Chaqa]

On a different note, I also think it's odd that Frog wanted me to have five reads so early in the game and then did not want to pick five people to make me give reads on. Almost as if he was afraid to have to filter out mafia teammates.

[brainbomb]

I fake things as town too brain

And that would make it really hard for me to know the difference and to understand why. If thats the case then im really not doing a good job of seeing the town in you. Thats a net negative thing for town if true.

[sweetandcool]

I find this line of questioning irrelevant and unproductive so I’m not going to engage it.

To the GT:

Yeah...this is weird from BB.

Why is he comparing Chaqa to last game minutes after saying he don't do that?

Why is he needling him about a stupid thing about the number of pages he can read?

Maybe he doesn't know how to engage with Chaqa? Wonder why though.

this whole line of thinking that follows bothers me a little.

Mostly because what I asked chaqa was why 12 pages to reread didnt bother him. Last game 25 pages was too many. In the example games I researched he faked being annoyed about things. He pretended in M62 that 40’pages was way too many. This was a game where chaqa was snarky, sarcastic and used volume as a talking point to pretend to be town.

Here are some things chaqa did as a SCUM MVP in M62
-was sarcastic in replies
-obstinate and snarky
-complained/brought up page totals and how many posts there were

compared to what happened last night
-snarky and sarcastic in reply

-made light of there being 12 pages but seemed fine with it

-refused to express where his threshold was for too many pages

-assumed id scumread him no matter how he answered

-threatened to sub out over the barest most minimal of pressure

-claims to have no meta

-ghug defends chaqa that my past pushes on him make it
More likely that chaqa just doesnt wanna deal with bb

-proceeds to taunt and encourage the idea that maybe he is scum

-pledges not to even reread now out of how frustrated he is


I dont see how you could come away from this focused on that my research concluded chaqa is town this game. Seems bunny once again just wants chaqa to be town so badly that he would rather focus on false conclusions I apparently came too -which I didnt-

Again bunny is so disconnected from whats happening he is missing scumtells and losing focus on the game. The gimmick is becoming more important than hunting.

as for how I feel about chaqa I think he played up the victim card and used appeal to emotion to sway ghug and it appears it worked on mostly everyone.

Id expect scum chaqa to now feel quite safe and to not take a whole lot of risks in producing any content and instead just ride the notion that he doesnt care about day 1

I can feel sorry for him without swaying my read on him.

He is currently null. His anger about this situation is genuine and has been stated in recent previous games.

I'm not towning him for it, but I also believe it.

[Jamiet99uk]

I cannot comprehend why we are even talking about this.

This whole stupid fucking tangent is because brain somehow thinks TWELVE IS EQUAL TO OR SIMILAR TO TWENTY FIVE

[brainbomb]

The fact anyone would expect you to have five formed reads on day 1 is pretty ridiculous but he also doesnt know you that well.

Ive seen you take control of town on day one in a mini with 12 players and you were towns biggest asset all game long. You had very hard nosed reads that were solid and you fended people away from the players you felt were most town, in that game bunny was like attached at your hip. And you were right he was a horrible miskill in that game.

so I know you can do those things when you feel like winning.

Just a thought but what do you think of bunny?

[sweetandcool]

I noticed this as well but don’t find it inherently scummy for brainbomb to make leaps in logic (although I won’t give him town points for doing so).

I do find it interesting that ghug seems to be investing more energy into correcting others than making his own insights.

Correct that this is NAI for brainbomb.

This is also typical ghug. I always find myself agreeing with him and consequently scumreading him (from paranoia). So far he is null for me, but that's probably because we haven't substantially interacted yet.

Hi sweet.

I don't think this is typical ghug. I agree with food's assessment of my play thus far, especially given that he seemingly hadn't seen the Chaqa interaction yet.

Really? Huh, you always seem to me to be trying to get others to think more rationally. This includes pointing out mistakes in logic.

ghug in my eyes tends to equal suspiciously helpful in most games.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

@Chaqa

I think Frog wanted you to call someone scum so you would ostracize yourself.

[Chaqa]

I fake things as town too brain

And that would make it really hard for me to know the difference and to understand why. If thats the case then im really not doing a good job of seeing the town in you. Thats a net negative thing for town if true.

Someone with a better memory than me could hopefully remember exact times I've fake claimed PR as town or a different PR than I was, but there's also things I do like intensely pushing to vote out someone I town read because I know there will be a town negative reaction that will further other people to town read that person at my own expense, or it will push mafia to not kill them because they might be a miskill opportunity.

[Chaqa]

The fact anyone would expect you to have five formed reads on day 1 is pretty ridiculous but he also doesnt know you that well.

Ive seen you take control of town on day one in a mini with 12 players and you were towns biggest asset all game long. You had very hard nosed reads that were solid and you fended people away from the players you felt were most town, in that game bunny was like attached at your hip. And you were right he was a horrible miskill in that game.

so I know you can do those things when you feel like winning.

Just a thought but what do you think of bunny?

Bunny is one of my favorite people to play the game with because he knows how to read me. That said, he also is good at buddying me. I don't have a specific read on him yet this game. Most of my focus has been on you, ghug, and Frog (had to retype this b/c I kept calling him Fox lol)

[Chaqa]

@Chaqa

I think Frog wanted you to call someone scum so you would ostracize yourself.

I don't need his help to ostracize myself

[brainbomb]

And M62 was literally three years ago. I'm a whole ass relationship, house, child, and three dogs removed from that time.

I was looking for games of yours where you complained about too many pages or you did not complain about too many pages. You have a large sample size of games on this forum. It was not hard to find a game where you played elite as mafia and to see what made you successful in that game as mafia. What ways did you open the game. What was your demeanor as mafia.

And your personal life, having dogs, living in a house, having a relationship; all of those things are only slightly relevant to playstyle changes when you have a system -that works- for you. If you have strategy or tactics that enhance your ability to seem as town, to hide, to appear your usual self; thats the idea behind what I was looking at

[brainbomb]

That said I am now fully convinced I was mistaken on you being mafia. Your responses you are giving me right now are what I would expect from you as town. I apologize if I really made you consider subbing out.

[sweetandcool]

Wow, I thought Will's play last game was good and I'm liking it this game too.

Just a Will Named Town.

[Chaqa]

And M62 was literally three years ago. I'm a whole ass relationship, house, child, and three dogs removed from that time.

I was looking for games of yours where you complained about too many pages or you did not complain about too many pages. You have a large sample size of games on this forum. It was not hard to find a game where you played elite as mafia and to see what made you successful in that game as mafia. What ways did you open the game. What was your demeanor as mafia.

And your personal life, having dogs, living in a house, having a relationship; all of those things are only slightly relevant to playstyle changes when you have a system -that works- for you. If you have strategy or tactics that enhance your ability to seem as town, to hide, to appear your usual self; thats the idea behind what I was looking at

I want you to understand I do not have a system. I am as a person pretty incapable of building routines. If I do, I can lose them in a single day of forgetting. I think the best thing you can do is judge me in each game in isolation.

[Chaqa]

Wow, I thought Will's play last game was good and I'm liking it this game too.

Just a Will Named Town.

I agree with that. He's the new Jeff Kuta.