Mafia 85: Return from Lockdown

[sweetandcool]

Certain results return "Failure" so I think the distinction is important here for clarity.

You are right. That is why I am calling the GM.

But since I know you are town, I know you are not lying about your "undelivered" return.

Is there any way you could possibly have that return other than being role blocked?

if his target died he would also get 'undelivered'

see this cut from the order of operations:

15 Mafia NK
16 Gerrymander-er
17 Lobbyist
18 Door-Darter

Okay yes, thanks for giving the technically correct answer. But since Chaqa's target did not die this is not relevant.

[Kakarroto]

@brainbomb

How long have you believed kakarotto is scum?

since he got foodcoats killed with mech shit

yeah, not my brightest hour

[sweetandcool]

@brainbomb

How long have you believed kakarotto is scum?

since he got foodcoats killed with mech shit

yeah, not my brightest hour

We trusted you Kak! You were supposed to be the chosen one!

[Chaqa]

Can anyone tell me about brain's scum range?

Range(brain!scum) = Max(brain!scum) - Min(brain!scum)

Hope this helps

Okay can you give summaries of the max and the min?

Sure, the max is brainbomb's most scummy scum game, and the min is brainbomb's least scummy scum game

[brainbomb]

town with absolutely no interest in mech or regard for if any of it is valid or not. These are the reads I would have if the setup were purely vanilla, based on play and interactions.

Town
chaqa
heart
sweet
Bk3k

Less Town
worcej
babyspice
D&W


Untrustworthy
Neph
bozo
frog
lfischl
kak

Scum
bob
Jamie
Hamilton

[Frogsterking]

Brain, what all are the takes you have on the players right now? A fair amount of flips you predicted are coming true.

We have only had 3 flips, and both of the day flips were town aligned people who I was voting to eliminate. I would say thats pretty poor predictive skills.

I dont think I had much of an opinion on Bunny other than maybe a light townlean?

I did at times say foodcoats was town leader, and he was my top town. I am gonna blame kak for this one, part of why I no longer trust kak or his plans or his conclusions.

So... what else were you referring too with your post?

Scum!jamiet and town!foodcoats were definitely on my mind when I wrote that, maybe more.

[brainbomb]

Brain, what all are the takes you have on the players right now? A fair amount of flips you predicted are coming true.

We have only had 3 flips, and both of the day flips were town aligned people who I was voting to eliminate. I would say thats pretty poor predictive skills.

I dont think I had much of an opinion on Bunny other than maybe a light townlean?

I did at times say foodcoats was town leader, and he was my top town. I am gonna blame kak for this one, part of why I no longer trust kak or his plans or his conclusions.

So... what else were you referring too with your post?

Scum!jamiet and town!foodcoats were definitely on my mind when I wrote that, maybe more.

right but scum jamie hasnt flipped, and it isnt confirmed.

[Kakarroto]

Brain, what all are the takes you have on the players right now? A fair amount of flips you predicted are coming true.

We have only had 3 flips, and both of the day flips were town aligned people who I was voting to eliminate. I would say thats pretty poor predictive skills.

I dont think I had much of an opinion on Bunny other than maybe a light townlean?

I did at times say foodcoats was town leader, and he was my top town. I am gonna blame kak for this one, part of why I no longer trust kak or his plans or his conclusions.

So... what else were you referring too with your post?

fair, but I have to say, I had preferred to not vote food out, but hunt for the sicko. Without chaqa's push for shortening the day, I think we would've been fine and got a mafia. But I have my fair share in the whole debacle.

[Kakarroto]

You are right. That is why I am calling the GM.

But since I know you are town, I know you are not lying about your "undelivered" return.

Is there any way you could possibly have that return other than being role blocked?

if his target died he would also get 'undelivered'

see this cut from the order of operations:

15 Mafia NK
16 Gerrymander-er
17 Lobbyist
18 Door-Darter

Okay yes, thanks for giving the technically correct answer. But since Chaqa's target did not die this is not relevant.

*asks*
*gets answered*
"Thanks but no thanks"

[sweetandcool]

Either brainbomb is Mail Man and baby is Pollster, or brainbomb is Pollster and baby is scum.

[Kakarroto]

since he got foodcoats killed with mech shit

yeah, not my brightest hour

We trusted you Kak! You were supposed to be the chosen one!

I don't really believe in chosen ones anyway. We are all our on luck's smiths.

[sweetandcool]

brainbomb is town, hurrah!!!!

[Frogsterking]

We have only had 3 flips, and both of the day flips were town aligned people who I was voting to eliminate. I would say thats pretty poor predictive skills.

I dont think I had much of an opinion on Bunny other than maybe a light townlean?

I did at times say foodcoats was town leader, and he was my top town. I am gonna blame kak for this one, part of why I no longer trust kak or his plans or his conclusions.

So... what else were you referring too with your post?

Scum!jamiet and town!foodcoats were definitely on my mind when I wrote that, maybe more.

right but scum jamie hasnt flipped, and it isnt confirmed.

They were confirmed scum to me after I saw foodcoats flip and you were the main player I recalled ever pushing jamie.

[brainbomb]

If you dont like this game, and find mech stuff boring, go reread ISOs from day 1 where the whole game was a real banger with all the usual stuff. go do some NK analysis and see bunnys reads and who he maybe scared. Maybe bunny had incredibly skilled townreads.

The last 11 mafia games the mafia has killed people based on their skill level and how well they were playing N1. It has been absolutely without deviation. Bunny probably was onto someone. Go read that. Go get some cred for yourself. Go do something.

Thats why were here. you signed up to play mafia and solve a game, go and just be the change you want to see.

[Kakarroto]

brainbomb is town, hurrah!!!!

I told you so the whole time

[sweetandcool]

Either brainbomb is Mail Man and baby is Pollster, or brainbomb is Pollster and baby is scum.

Wait no this is wrong.

In the case baby is Pollster, brainbomb is Mail Man IF he is town.

Could also be Mafia lying.

Darn, sorry, trying not to post incorrect things like that.

[Frogsterking]

If you dont like this game, and find mech stuff boring, go reread ISOs from day 1 where the whole game was a real banger with all the usual stuff. go do some NK analysis and see bunnys reads and who he maybe scared. Maybe bunny had incredibly skilled townreads.

The last 11 mafia games the mafia has killed people based on their skill level and how well they were playing N1. It has been absolutely without deviation. Bunny probably was onto someone. Go read that. Go get some cred for yourself. Go do something.

Thats why were here. you signed up to play mafia and solve a game, go and just be the change you want to see.

It could have been woc

[Kakarroto]

but yeah, I think this has been overlooked, at least I see no reactions to it. So just in case, repost:

Bob might not be sicko, but police commissioner
Jaime might be sicko and not police commissioner

if both are mafia, they would know who they scan at night.
Jamie saw D&K claiming to have targeted bob (instead of brainbomb)
Jamie saw D&K claiming Electoral Commission Officer (foods actual role)
Jamie would've known that bob can't be that.
Jamie would know who bob targeted.
Jamie would now know that food is Electoral Commission Officer
IF Jamie got success return, he would know he is sicko.
so in that case, Jamie could claim Electoral Commission Officer as his message to muddy the waters for town

that might be because bob didn't claim, since Jamie AND D&W claimed to return Electoral Commission Officer and didn't want to cause more trouble.

[damo666]

Food targeted bunny who was the NK. That would return a failure.

NOPE

This is the order of operations:
1 Human Resources
2 Curfew enforcer
3 Sicko
4 Doctor
5 Detective
6 Electoral Commission Officer
7 Internal Affairs
8 Private Investigator
9 Middle Manager
10 Corrupt Cop
11 Police Commissioner
12 Ruber Driver
13 Pollster
14 DaDa Driver
15 Mafia NK
16 Gerrymander-er
17 Lobbyist
18 Door-Darter
19 Paper Delivery Boy
20 News Host
21 E-Mail Hacker
22 Mail Man

Wow, thanks! I was just reading that list and missed the NK.

Okay, so food was RB. Either by Bob as CE or by Mafia.

Which means Chaqa was role blocked by either Frog as CE or by Mafia.

Then Fisch is lying?

I guess I need to call GM.

Frog curfewed Chaqa and food was sicko'd

[sweetandcool]

NOPE

This is the order of operations:
1 Human Resources
2 Curfew enforcer
3 Sicko
4 Doctor
5 Detective
6 Electoral Commission Officer
7 Internal Affairs
8 Private Investigator
9 Middle Manager
10 Corrupt Cop
11 Police Commissioner
12 Ruber Driver
13 Pollster
14 DaDa Driver
15 Mafia NK
16 Gerrymander-er
17 Lobbyist
18 Door-Darter
19 Paper Delivery Boy
20 News Host
21 E-Mail Hacker
22 Mail Man

Wow, thanks! I was just reading that list and missed the NK.

Okay, so food was RB. Either by Bob as CE or by Mafia.

Which means Chaqa was role blocked by either Frog as CE or by Mafia.

Then Fisch is lying?

I guess I need to call GM.

Frog curfewed Chaqa and food was sicko'd

Yes I believe that to be the case. Am waiting on the GM to 100% confirm "undelivered" would be the result of a role block.